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« on: Jan 23, 2006, 06:16PM »

Has anybody heard about Kielwerth trombones from Germany? Are they any good?
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 23, 2006, 08:44PM »

Wow, I didn't know they make trombones.  They make a pretty kickin sax, I know that much.  I believe Dave Liebman and Ernie Watts play them.  I'm not sure who else.....
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 23, 2006, 08:54PM »

I found this on E-bay. As I live in Australia like the seller, I thought I'd check it out.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/THE-NEW-KING-trombone_W0QQitemZ7384601746QQcategoryZ620QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I asked him if it is a King and what the serial number is and he has reposted it with the maker and serial number.
Interesting? Perhaps cheap and nasty....
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 23, 2006, 09:31PM »

That looks pretty old. It has unplated inner tubes.  
I wonder if it's even the same company.....
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 23, 2006, 09:39PM »

well.. keilwerth apparently has been making saxophones since 1925, so it's possible that the company/person also made some trombones.  If the serial # is 21, that could make it quite old indeed.  Also I did find some information on the company, and "THE NEW KING" was a line of saxophones... maybe they had a trombone part to them as well?

Also according to the info the company early history is a bit shrouded in mystery.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 24, 2006, 02:31AM »

A friend of mine has a very old JK trombone, i think it might be called something like 'tone king deluxe'. Seems to be silver plated with lacquer or perhaps gold plate on the inside of the bell. Rather small, comes with a SHALLOW mouthpiece and the slide is not in working order.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 24, 2006, 09:46AM »

Keilwerth trombones.........yeah......
have been quite popular in the 60ties here in Germany .
During that time the DM/US$ exchange rate was somthing like 4DM for a Dollar.
Even with quite low $ prices on trombones the DM equivalent was like a fortune for us. So that was a perfect time for German Makers to come up with some home grown stuff. Keilwerth (yes the sax-guys) decided to bring out the Toneking series. Came in Standard, deluxe and Superdeluxe Version.
The last two with silverplating and goldwash bell. Basically they  are clones of the Olds series. They have a very small bore (I measured my SuperdeLuxe and its a .474" straight bore). These Horns are built like tanks and they do not really make a lot of fun to play exept maybe for some dixie stuff.
However the Super had the fluted slides too!!!!! Still cool!!
They disappeared in the seveties when the exchange rates became more friendly and we could afford to buy the real stuff from the US or some of the evolving great german manufacturers.
Over here you will find one every week on german e-bay for less than 100 mostly in pretty poor shape.
If you are not into collecting trombones you should spend your money on something else. A REAL Olds Super for instance.

Let me know if you have more questions.

Greetings,  Heinrich
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 24, 2006, 01:55PM »

Thanks Heinrich. What a great resource this forum is....
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