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[eitan]

I've noticed that in Germany and Austria some principle trombonists prefer to play on instruments without valve.What is it cause to it?Tradituons?Or is it desire to get a certain quality of sound?

[Turkbone]

When I play  our MODE ART trombone ensemble if I don't need F trigger I am no using and same orchestral works.
If first trombonist have don't need ventil its right.
for exemple first trombonist play Schumann 3.smph t-bone solo or bolero etc.
But William Tell is OK.
At some musics F trigger trombones can be heavy.
 

[amichael]

There is plenty of repertoire where the principal trombonist doesn't need a valve and I've seen plenty of American trombonists playing without them.  For me, on my Bach 36C I remove the valve whenever possible because the horn plays so wonderfully without it.  With my Shires I generally leave the valve on because it doesn't make much difference to remove the valve and the horn becomes quite unbalanced.

Cheers,
Andy

quote:Originally posted by amichael:
There is plenty of repertoire where the principal trombonist doesn't need a valve and I've seen plenty of American trombonists playing without them.  For me, on my Bach 36C I remove the valve whenever possible because the horn plays so wonderfully without it.  With my Shires I generally leave the valve on because it doesn't make much difference to remove the valve and the horn becomes quite unbalanced.

If you would like to correct that balance while playing the straight horn, Shires does offer a removable counterweight. Simply contact Steve for more info. Good luck.

[Gabe Langfur]

It's so nice to have the instrument be lighter. Lately I've been playing as much as possible on a single valve bass trombone. I like the response, and with the Shires modular system, I can keep everything else the same when I switch out different valve sections.

[eitan]

To my questions,I want to add yet.What do you think about "national schools"(American,German,Russian).Today is it actually?If is it so,what are differnces between them?My opinion the "schools" exist and everyone have own system of study .But I can't  get the things:the "american sound","german sound"etc.The sound must to be qwalit and to fit to the style of music.

[john sandhagen]

I have heard of several "national schools" of trombone playing (British, French, German, American) and most "schools" at one time were dependent on local traditions for how the instruments were made and local requirements of composers. With today's complex performance requirements very few professional player can do all their work on one horn.

Also, consider the effect of one teacher, Emory Remington.  He taught many of the finest trombonist working in symphonies today.  He universally recommended the 88H (not the 8H). With so many of his students playing in symphonies and so many of their students playing...So it's very common for principals to play with an F attachment, even when unnecessary.  

In our Global marketplace a Japanese trombonist can get a German instrument or he can just get Yamaha's copy of a german trombone.  In the 1950's Earl Williams sold handmade trombones to a fairly small LA market.  It took decades for his horns to become widely known.  Today, Steve Shires and Mick Rath are names thrown around because of the internet and cool discussion groups such as this.  But with such a demand and acknowlegement of the superior trombone available today, there is a good chance the eccentricities of the french and German trombones will become homogenized into the American sound.

[BFW]

quote:Originally posted by eitan:
But I can't  get the things:the "american sound","german sound"etc.The sound must to be qwalit and to fit to the style of music.

People disagree on the "right" way to play pieces, or what the "right" sound is.  There may be broad agreement on how to play something to fit a style, but there are a great many details open to individual (and national and cultural) preference.  It would be pretty dull to play music if there were only one correct interpretation!

For the most part, tenor trombones without attachments blow more freely. There are exceptions, such as the Benge model and the Shires models. Benge and Steve Shires both do a good job keeping the valve sections free blowing and functional.