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[josh roseman]

Youtube has brought the art of armchair criticism to a new height, that's all I can say.   Consider the context-   We have no idea what this clip is, who the audience is and so on.   may well have been an excerpt from a HS band clinic at 10AM for all we know.
Point is to get what you can from it and move on.   I mean- sure, if I play a cadenza, I'm gonna play my own stuff too.   But can we just give the guy props for playing at a high level and working to engage the crowd?

I've seen a lot of questionable stuff posted on youtube-  had a few gigs I was on recorded via cellphone and posted.  You can imagine the sound quality..  
My friend Peter had a backstage conversation taped and posted, nobody knew..  Was surprised to see the Fred Wesley clip earlier- Fred playing with studio cans on, wailing with no background music.  Hopefully he knew he was going "live"..  
really sketchy I think.
 
There's also a huge disconnect in the commentary- all these YouTube people feel entitled to absorb these random bits and take anonymous potshots from home, using whatever criteria they wish.   I find it a little discouraging.  It's a document; the guy wasn't working for some crusty audience of trombonists out on the internet, after all.  Joshy's two cents...

[BobCochran]

Anonymous?  Not exactly.  I use my real name, my real picture, my real business web site URL, all that.

Of course we're entitled to say what we like.  Some of us find that cadenza to be awesome, some find it to be of questionable taste, some a little of both, and we're exercising our right to discuss it.  Since when did discussing musical taste become a big deal?

I don't know about this "armchair" business, either.  Most of us are trombonists.  Not "YouTube people" or "a crusty audience of trombonists out on the Internet".

You feel very free to express a low opinion of the forum members, Josh, and then you have the nerve to rebuke us for expressing our opinions?

[josh roseman]

Talkin' about the YouTube phenomenon in general on this,  Bob- not necessarily about you or the forum-at-large.  
Context is always an issue,  even for writers when reviewing a disc.
 But at least on a record, the artist has some control over the presentation.   Not so with these videos...
As far as this discussion is concerned- yes, calling a happening player "without class," etc doesn't strike me as being constructive.  
it's just derogatory & not at all about musical taste.  
I probably should have been more specific in my remarks, however- so apologies.
Josh

[BobCochran]

Christian Lindberg clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-DOQLd4Xfg&NR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WZSuRxMQ68&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TAEjgZ2asw&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWHc_jXzqa4&mode=related&search=

[crossbone]

I enjoyed Rick Simerly and Christian Lindberg, though I'm not sure it's a fair comparison, and each seem to have a captive audience, so  each performance was good for me. I started out as a serious musician and later in life I got serious about becoming an entertainer. They are 2 separate skills, as separate as throwing darts and selling shoes. Rick Simerly is borrowing from Watrous but also doing some of his own thing and it was obviously entertaining to the people who were there. Like Josh said, we don't know the situation, but it did appear everyone left happy. We're all dirt and worms in the end. What more lofty goal is there in music, than to make some people happy, while awaiting exit from this mortal coil.

By the way, loved the Twinkle variations by CL. He is just incredible.

[BobCochran]

Some of the remarks about Mr. Rick Simerly may have been sparked by jealousy.  The fellow has outrageous chops and we can all appreciate that -- I certainly do.  He has all the physical tools to play whatever he likes.

Let's all wish him the best and hope we don't show up on YouTube when we least expect it.

[BobCochran]

Bela Szaloky.  Quite nice I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RisEHyGxRv8&mode=related&search=

[zemry]

WOW!!! Where did this guy come from?

The jazz scene in Hungary seems to be striving.

There seems to be a strong Carl Fontana influence there. However, he definitely has his own style.

Very smooth and so many ideas!

I loved the jump at the end!

[BobCochran]

Yeah, I think he's good.

[DaveAshley]

Bela Szaloky.  Quite nice I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RisEHyGxRv8&mode=related&search=

Yeah!  He sounds great.  There are free MP3's on his website.  I'm checking them out right now.  Apparently some are of him on fluegel.  http://szaloky.com/SZALOKY_BLUE/english/index.htm

[josh roseman]

Curtis is such a master.  I find his recent stuff especially interesting...
This excerpt isn't particularly "polished," and it's not all that pyrotechnical-
but somehow he conveys a lot of depth with minimal effort..
And when you check him out live, he just radiates in a way. this clip has a bit of that.
Viva Curtis!!

[josh roseman]

Josh,
Köszönöm szépen
Respect,
The Trombone Family

Dear Trombone family
Szívesen! Én boldog ön szeretett a őrült video
respect also
Josh the trombone

[Ruckus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF_oBfItRO0

I'm not sure of the bone player... but look at that mouthpiece placement!  Thats physically impossible for me, but it seems to work for him.

[zemry]

Curtis is such a master.  I find his recent stuff especially interesting...
This excerpt isn't particularly "polished," and it's not all that pyrotechnical-
but somehow he conveys a lot of depth with minimal effort..
And when you check him out live, he just radiates in a way. this clip has a bit of that.
Viva Curtis!!

A beautiful video of a master at work!

[zemry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF_oBfItRO0

I'm not sure of the bone player... but look at that mouthpiece placement!  Thats physically impossible for me, but it seems to work for him.

WOW!! That's the most radical trombone mouthpiece place ment that I've seen......but it works for him.


Who is he?

[anrchst58]

Just about to ask the same question. i fooled around seeing if i could play anything like that but i cant get higher then this       then again, i spent about 2 minutes doing it...

[Ruckus]

I don't think he really can get any high range with that, but he makes money doing what he does, and does a damn fine job doing it in my opinion.

[marty nichols]

My guess is that the trombonist with Louis was Big Chief Russell Moore.

As o the Curtis Fuller--- sorry, I don't think it was his best, or even near.

[Graham Martin]

Interesting Marty. I had no idea who it was but I like the style. When was the Chief in the Allstars?

[marty nichols]

Interesting Marty. I had no idea who it was but I like the style. When was the Chief in the Allstars?

It must have been in the interim before Trummy Young joined Louis. If I recall correctly, Trummy was the last trombonist to play with Louis' band.

Note not related to thread: I am adding new
tunes on myspace. Latest gig in Orange Lake Florida.