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[WilliamSalverda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYXQhR999ss

 

[brucolli]

There are many things wrong in this video, how many can you spot?

[boneagain]

There are many things wrong in this video, how many can you spot?

Kind of breathtaking that someone who started as a trombonist and spent this much time in the business could do so many things to put an instrument and player at risk!

I find it distressing to think of how hard this makes it for a newbie to figure out if this is, or is not, good advice. The bio looks very good, and his presentation is excellent.  Not a clue as to how bad most of the advice is.

The contrast with this video is huge:
http://www.edwards-instruments.com/trombone/maintenance/slide_care.php

Just a few lowlights from the WD-40 video:
1) WD-40... should NOT be used where you will make a habit of breathing it in
2) BARE cleaning rod against ANY part of the slide... always buffer with some type of cloth cover
3) Run a half length of cloth into the outer slide... what happens if it gets jammed?
4) Loosen up crud with a brush and NOT FLUSH IT OUT... it it's going to be loosened, there should be flushing!
5) leaving the outer slide unheld at the angle he shows... if that slide is any good at all it will take almost NOTHING to send it banging to the floor.... straight up and down is a lot less risky.

There are actually more problems with this, and mis-statements.  Basically, because of good coverage in readily available trombone books and videos like the one from Edwards, I won't go on. 

But... how distressing!

[datguy]

Kind of breathtaking that someone who started as a trombonist and spent this much time in the business could do so many things to put an instrument and player at risk!

I find it distressing to think of how hard this makes it for a newbie to figure out if this is, or is not, good advice. The bio looks very good, and his presentation is excellent.  Not a clue as to how bad most of the advice is.

The contrast with this video is huge:
http://www.edwards-instruments.com/trombone/maintenance/slide_care.php

Just a few lowlights from the WD-40 video:
1) WD-40... should NOT be used where you will make a habit of breathing it in
2) BARE cleaning rod against ANY part of the slide... always buffer with some type of cloth cover
3) Run a half length of cloth into the outer slide... what happens if it gets jammed?
4) Loosen up crud with a brush and NOT FLUSH IT OUT... it it's going to be loosened, there should be flushing!
5) leaving the outer slide unheld at the angle he shows... if that slide is any good at all it will take almost NOTHING to send it banging to the floor.... straight up and down is a lot less risky.

There are actually more problems with this, and mis-statements.  Basically, because of good coverage in readily available trombone books and videos like the one from Edwards, I won't go on. 

But... how distressing!

Just going to cut and paste your comments ove to this poorly thought out video.

[brucolli]

Kind of breathtaking that someone who started as a trombonist and spent this much time in the business could do so many things to put an instrument and player at risk!

I find it distressing to think of how hard this makes it for a newbie to figure out if this is, or is not, good advice. The bio looks very good, and his presentation is excellent.  Not a clue as to how bad most of the advice is.

The contrast with this video is huge:
http://www.edwards-instruments.com/trombone/maintenance/slide_care.php

Just a few lowlights from the WD-40 video:
1) WD-40... should NOT be used where you will make a habit of breathing it in
2) BARE cleaning rod against ANY part of the slide... always buffer with some type of cloth cover
3) Run a half length of cloth into the outer slide... what happens if it gets jammed?
4) Loosen up crud with a brush and NOT FLUSH IT OUT... it it's going to be loosened, there should be flushing!
5) leaving the outer slide unheld at the angle he shows... if that slide is any good at all it will take almost NOTHING to send it banging to the floor.... straight up and down is a lot less risky.

There are actually more problems with this, and mis-statements.  Basically, because of good coverage in readily available trombone books and videos like the one from Edwards, I won't go on. 

But... how distressing!

Well spotted, not to mention holding one tube of the inner slide and wiping the other with the cloth. Maybe not too bad but still a good way to screw up the alignment of the slide. What makes me really cringe though, is when he puts the loose cloth on the rod in the outer slide and pulls it back and forth. The cloth will hardly move inside the slide because the rod will slip back and forth inside of it and then the possible scratches from the bare metal!
The Edwards video shows how it should be done.

[Sue]

The music at the beginning of the video says it all.

Now I think I understand why the trombones at my son's school always come back from the repair shop badly in need of a cleaning - unfortunately not all techs are competent.

[HouBassTrombone]

The guys' Youtube account name is horn smasher... It is a joke. He destroys horns on purpose. At least I think this is a joke.  I hope so...

[jonathanmatos4]

 

what is this? a parody of the proper way to clean and lubricate your slide? the guy should change his closing to say if you follow these instructions you will need to realign your slide monthly and have to re-plate it annually. however you may never notice because of the brain damage caused from inhaling WD-40.

[boneagain]

The music at the beginning of the video says it all.

Now I think I understand why the trombones at my son's school always come back from the repair shop badly in need of a cleaning - unfortunately not all techs are competent.

mmmm... I waited a while on this one.

Maintaining school horns is a pretty big prioritization issue.  If a school only has enough money to get the dents out, then what?  Along the same lines, if they can get the dents out of three horns AND have them properly cleaned afterward OR get the dents out of five horns, which way do they go?

I DO agree that not all techs are competent.  But we must also keep in mind that it is hard to keep a job if one does NOT do what management specifies.

If I ran a school system, I might feel it more important to have the tech do the dents removal (which students can NOT do... although they are very good at putting the dents in...) and not have the tech clean up too well after (which the students CAN do... and should know how to do along with playing of the instrument.)

It IS tough though.  Student A finishes with the horn, it goes to the dent doctor, then brand new student B gets the horn... maybe first lesson should be "The Compleat Cleaning of Hornes?"

[Sue]

I hear what your sayin', boneagain. I wouldn't even make an issue of it except I've seen the tags on the cases when they come back, and for what the district pays for removing "dents in slide" it could have been sent to the slide Dr. My son brings home the school bones in rotation to clean the slides. The last one, a Yamaha bass, had just come back from repair, over $100. for slide repair, and it was no better than before it went in. After a bath, I swabbed the outers and could still feel dents. After lubing it up it was passable but still rough.
However the tech in our immediate area who is competent and services a lot of the pros will not deal with school contracts any more. He says it takes too long to get paid, and he was tired of seeing the same horns come back again and again with obvious signs of neglect and abuse.
I don't know the answer, I just venting (again).