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Title: Donations
Post by: JimArcher on Aug 04, 2017, 08:20AM
Tried to use the latest donation site, couldn't get it to work...


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: BGuttman on Aug 04, 2017, 09:06AM
I have no idea what Richard has been doing.  The donation site goes right to him to help defray the costs of hosting the Site.  Maybe he doesn't need money now (but I really doubt that)?  Hosting TTF is a small part of his business.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: Euphanasia on Aug 04, 2017, 09:41AM
I used it today. It stalled out the first time I tried, but the second time it worked fine and went straight to Paypal.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: BillO on Sep 01, 2017, 03:20PM
I'm surprised he has not raised the $3500 yet.  If everyone that came on here in the last 2 days gave $25, he'd have more than enough.

Maybe folks are just so used to it being broken they don't even notice anymore.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: robcat2075 on Sep 01, 2017, 03:39PM
I wish I could know there was some mechanism in place for a generally available person, in addition to Richard, to do the sort of fixes and upkeep about which the current mods always "we have to wait for Richard to fix that" during the stretches when Richard is not able to do those things.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: BGuttman on Sep 01, 2017, 04:11PM
I wish I could know there was some mechanism in place for a generally available person, in addition to Richard, to do the sort of fixes and upkeep about which the current mods always "we have to wait for Richard to fix that" during the stretches when Richard is not able to do those things.

You and me both :)


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: Matt K on Sep 01, 2017, 06:47PM
And me 3 since Ive actually managed backends to similar projects professionally.  ;)


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: Todd Jonz on Sep 01, 2017, 09:01PM

There have been numerous offers over the years from numerous qualified individuals to either assist or assume full responsibility for keeping things running, but the proprietor prefers to provide a bare minimum of support to an eleven year old beta test version of a bug infested, highly vulnerable, occasionally hacked software platform.  What a swell guy!




Title: Re: Donations
Post by: Remo on Sep 07, 2017, 03:12PM
I'm surprised he has not raised the $3500 yet.  If everyone that came on here in the last 2 days gave $25, he'd have more than enough.

Maybe folks are just so used to it being broken they don't even notice anymore.

Uh, no.  Fool me once...  Lengthy rant about catching up for the years of donations first, poor support, poor management, and the number of trolls that don't get dealt with deleted.

But I will leave in that I understand health issues, all too well.  If you can't do it yourself but are asking for and accepting money for it's operation, then get some people involved who can handle it for you.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: Geordie on Sep 08, 2017, 01:18AM
I donated and the process worked first time. Would be interested to know how much has been raised.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: MTbassbone on Oct 22, 2017, 01:30PM
Has any of the mods asked Richard to be more transparent regarding this issue?


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: robcat2075 on Oct 22, 2017, 01:54PM
I was able to make a donation yesterday.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: BGuttman on Oct 22, 2017, 02:35PM
Has any of the mods asked Richard to be more transparent regarding this issue?

Endlessly.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: Euphanasia on Oct 22, 2017, 05:11PM
I know he's probably not reading this, but if you were to set it up as a GoFundMe, then people could actually track how their contributions move toward a goal.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: MTbassbone on Oct 22, 2017, 07:25PM
I donated, but I am very skeptical about the use of this fund raising effort.  The lack of transparency and communication by the creator of the forum is a major concern.  I don't want this to fail, and that is why I ultimately coughed up some cash.  I don't understand why he is on one hand so vested into this site, but on the other so withdrawn.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: Matt K on Oct 22, 2017, 07:36PM
That's something that has me scratching my head too. I have some professional experience working with backend/frontend technologies and have offered to help with some of the more technical aspects of managing the site but I haven't heard anything back!

The 'bot' that I made to manage the classifieds would be a lot more efficient if I could get it to run inside the server instead of from my own. One of the reason it's broken right now. Right now it basically acts as a human and clicks the button to remove posts if they are older than 60 days. (Although Chrome updated recently and broke it so I'm in the process of fixing it... grad school isn't helping at the moment but I think I finally found a workaround and have to code it maybe sometime this week.)


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: blast on Oct 23, 2017, 12:54AM
Richard only mails one of the Admins..... and that seems to be a one way process.

The rest of us are as much in the dark as ordinary members.

We have no idea of what money has come in and what it is used for.

Chris Stearn


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: Todd Jonz on Oct 23, 2017, 06:41AM

Euphanasia writes:

> if you were to set it up as a GoFundMe, then people
> could actually track how their contributions move
> toward a goal.

But that would allow everyone to see how much money had been collected, information the proprietor has NEVER shared with anyone, not even the staff.  Only the proprietor knows the actual cost of operating this site, which some have suggested is far less than is collected in donations.  If this is, in fact, the case, it should be clear why the proprietor doesn't want to disclose donation totals.




Title: Re: Donations
Post by: MikeBMiller on Oct 23, 2017, 07:33AM
I kicked in $25 last night. Hope it helps, as I spend way too much time on this site.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: ddickerson on Oct 23, 2017, 07:48AM
I see nothing wrong with the owner collecting more than what is required to keep this site up and running. I'm sure he needs income like the rest of us.

Heck, I would be in favor of all the moderators and volunteers receiving some cash too.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: watermailonman on Oct 23, 2017, 09:03AM
I've said it before. The site needs a professional management. Moderators do a great job here but the owner is not very interested. If he has health problems and really OWNS the forum he should sell it. It could be partly commercial and partly voluntary. I mean it needs to be a comercial site with ads so maintenence is secured. It must be worth something?

I've said it before; One day the forum and all knowledge and efforts will be gone. It WILL crash and never go up again.
It is obvious there are no redundancy which is a great pity. A site like this should be hosted professionally. There are people who do this for a living. Mirrored databases and several webbserver-instances. There are webbhotels that could host this site for a fee. Not too expenive if it is built on open source technology which I guess is the case.It should not be up to one man with health problems. I vote for a commercial site. If it is not built on business it will die in a crash and if it gets too commercial it will not be as popular, because it is built on volontary contributions in the shape of free shared knowledge, and if the site goes too commercial the moderators probably want to be payed, because then it will just be like any job to them. A good balance is what the site needs where the mods decide. There could be certain sections where ads are alloud and other sections were ads are forbidden. The site only needs enough money to survive.

/Tom


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: MikeBMiller on Oct 23, 2017, 09:31AM
I think I have made this suggestion before, but how about charging a small fee for posting classified ads? $10 for each ad or $20 for unlimited for a year would cover the cost of the site. It looks like there are about 5-10 new ads every day.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: watermailonman on Oct 23, 2017, 09:32AM
I think I have made this suggestion before, but how about charging a small fee for posting classified ads? $10 for each ad or $20 for unlimited for a year would cover the cost of the site. It looks like there are about 5-10 new ads every day.

Great idea!!!

/Tom


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: Dan Hine on Oct 23, 2017, 10:50AM
I think it's just like anything else.  People are willing to donate but not when they don't have confidence in what/who they are donating to.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: elmsandr on Oct 23, 2017, 12:22PM
It is indeed fine if he makes money on this.  I'd be actually quite a bit more likely to contribute if he was upfront about that.  BUTit needs to be at least a little transparent to get any of my money right now. 

I did think it was *nice* that it was at 69% raised for a year.

Cheers,
Andy


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: afugate on Oct 23, 2017, 03:55PM
I kicked in $25 last night. Hope it helps, as I spend way too much time on this site.

I chipped in this evening.  I also find this site to be very valuable.

--Andy in OKC


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: greenbean on Oct 26, 2017, 08:12PM
I chipped in, too.  Because I like and care about the forum.  And the forum has been very good to me!  I have learned a ton and have sold a couple hundred horns here...

But I can honestly say that I would have donated perhaps 5x as much over the past 5 years as I have if the site were well run.  But it is not.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: quiethorn on Oct 26, 2017, 11:12PM
I saw the announcement on the main page about the server crashing the other day and an all-nighter at the datacenter to get it back online. I was surprised to see this. I figured the site was being hosted somewhere or something.

The goal of this year is $3500. This is $291/month for a year. I don't know what kind of resources the site runs on now other than some old 143GB disks on a 16-year old(?) server, but Linode will do 24GB RAM, 8 cores, 384GB SSD storage, 16TB of traffic for $160/month. This is $1920 for a year. The pricing is straight forward and simple. No trips to the datacenter needed. Digital Ocean has similar plans. Add the cost of the forum software if there is any. Migrate the old site to legacy location on the new server or something for searching.

Maybe this has been recommended before and it's all falling on deaf ears...  :confused:

How much community effort would it take to just make a new site?


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: SilverBone on Oct 27, 2017, 12:41AM

How much community effort would it take to just make a new site?

There is a new site here:
http://www.trombonechat.com/index.php?sid=db7b281d89c265a7a7a75c91b07de997

Unfortunately, there is no way to migrate the content of this site, which is where the value of the site is.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: elmsandr on Oct 27, 2017, 06:50AM
There is a new site here:
http://www.trombonechat.com/index.php?sid=db7b281d89c265a7a7a75c91b07de997

Unfortunately, there is no way to migrate the content of this site, which is where the value of the site is.
Well, that and the value of the commentariat.  That is, the network externalities of all of us coming here and chiming in.

Fun thing that has been discussed before, the historical content cannot (or at least should not) be migrated without the express consent of the owner.  So, moving to the other site is kinda tricky.  Not impossible, but tricky.

I would be quite happy to fund a significant portion of the entire venture, if it were open and transparent.  As it is, I do not contribute because I do not see that transparency.  I know he won't see this Richard, but we are all trying to tell you to take our money... but you have to step out from behind the curtain first.

Cheers,
Andy


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: MrPillow on Nov 22, 2017, 09:17AM
Any news? November has almost come and gone.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: MrPillow on Dec 03, 2017, 04:38PM
Merry December?


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: bubbachet on Dec 05, 2017, 02:12PM

I would be quite happy to fund a significant portion of the entire venture, if it were open and transparent.  As it is, I do not contribute because I do not see that transparency.  I know he won't see this Richard, but we are all trying to tell you to take our money... but you have to step out from behind the curtain first.


He won't. That's why we founded Trombone Chat. There is a long story about how things got to where they are now, but the takeaway is this: Richard will not part with this site. He has had several opportunities and has refused them all.


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: elmsandr on Dec 06, 2017, 06:32AM
He won't. That's why we founded Trombone Chat. There is a long story about how things got to where they are now, but the takeaway is this: Richard will not part with this site. He has had several opportunities and has refused them all.
I know.  I like to keep re-iterating the point.

The offer still stands and people still change their minds sometimes.
Andy


Title: Re: Donations
Post by: jorymil on Dec 07, 2017, 09:36PM
Not a bleepin' chance.  As a professional Linux admin, I've offered my help before and have never received a response.  The phrase "143 GB SCSI" hard disk shouldn't have been uttered for about 8 years now.  Modern cloud hosting services are far better equipped to do the hosting piece of this, and there's no reason to purchase forum software, period.  Use something like Drupal or PHPBB.  Encrypt all traffic with TLS.

TromboneChat it is--Richard, you won't get a cent from me.

John