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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: medium bore Yamahas, 600 series on: Feb 22, 2018, 11:46AM
Assuming the 88H is in good, playable condition, your son should be set for a while.  Around here students definitely bring their instruments on the bus.  Playing one instrument in school and a drastically different instrument at home introduces some complications.
Clever What he said!
2  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: WTB Benge counterweight on: Feb 06, 2018, 09:08AM
These also, will work.  https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPIBq8cBWk1KGHd27_iLkX7iP5CCN_7U1n6lEs0
Three piece, from BrassLab.  Will also fit, Bach/Edwards/Getzen.

3  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: Closet Find Benge 190C, with straight neckpipe included on: Jan 23, 2018, 02:00PM
I will entertain, legit offers, from members in good standing. Also, I'll be in Dallas, Feb 22-24...so could work out a meeting.
4  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: Closet Find Benge 190C, with straight neckpipe included on: Jan 17, 2018, 08:28AM
Link will go hot tonight.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/152870066333?ssPageName=STRK:MESCX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1557.l2649
5  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Closet Find Benge 190C, with straight neckpipe included on: Jan 16, 2018, 09:10AM
Bought originally in 7-12-1994 @ Cagnoli Music Company. (Ser# starts with  41, so makes it an early UMI build (1991)) 2nd owner purchase in 1996 I have the PAPERS!  How cool is that!

Lacquer is about 95%+  No lost at F-attachment neckpipe.  Some scratches on straight neckpipe. There a few minor light
scratches, on bell,  very minor.  Some lacquer spotting on outer slide.  (This typical of putting the horn away, with water droplets
from spray bottle, on outer.  (Wipe your horn down, after playing!) Inners are perfect. (about a 8-9, getting better)  From the 2nd owner, used music lyre once, to play 76 trombone...in a concert. (music included)  Accepts a"Morse taper" mouthpiece.  I do have a Marcellus mouthpiece, in extremely good condition.

Horn has never marched.  OEM case, it's heavy.  In very good condition.

I have tons, of pictures.  Just need to get them loaded.
You won't be disappointed.   $1,800.00 + shipping.  Over seas, is possible, BUT VERY expensive. 
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Looking for recommendations on a Symphonic horn on: Oct 18, 2017, 07:05AM
Don't fight your, professor's opinion.  You'll loose.  A Used Yamaha Xeno 8820-GO, in really go shape, can be had for 1400-2000. Same with Conn, Bach.

My main knock against, Benge 165/190F, King 4B...they are front heavy.  Putting downward pressure on your lower lip, especially has handslide is extended.  Counter weight helps, but still there.


As far as new horns. Yamaha have the best slides out the box, consistently.  Bach and Conn, IMHO need a little break in, then adjustment. (A good retailer, will tech/clean the slide, before selling.  Still I always, thoroughly clean/polish new slide before using.) 

I've never played a XO, but have a friend, who is a sponsored player..they have come a long way, in the last couple of years. 

Adjustments, is not a big deal, if you have a good tech, close by.


7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: "Stuffiness" in same model horns? on: Oct 05, 2017, 10:58AM
What ^ he said.  Most common leak, in old horns is, water key alignment...old cork...converted to modern rubber cork (an not aligned), finally weak water key spring.
Also, miss aligned rotor.  Replace harden corks.
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Consensus on replacing inner 88H slide tube. on: Sep 11, 2017, 02:36PM
finally, used the search function  DuH.

9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Consensus on replacing inner 88H slide tube. on: Sep 11, 2017, 06:36AM
I have a  1960 (half-moon inscription). It has inner slide "Connitist"  Still slide, is in the 8 out of 10 (on a good day), in performance.  I know, there is some manageable leakage, on the lower inner.  But using, compromised inners will damage the outters...eventually.

So, replace with new Selmer/Conn inners, or alternate manufacturer? Maybe tighten up, the tolerances. What say the professional techs. 
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Vintage Conn 88H mouthpiece fit question on: Aug 04, 2017, 01:51PM
Wow, Schilke 57 is a big mouthpiece. Some even consider it a small Bass trombone mouthpiece. I would not use it, to long.   He'll have issues, with his high register. Also, the mouthpiece, should only go in, about a inch, maybe a tad more.  Posting a picture would help.

Like others have said, Hickey's, Dillon, can get a Conn-Remington shank mouthpiece.  A Bach 5G, or I prefer a Bach 6.5AL.  The OEM Conn Remington large shank, comes up on ebay, for time to time.  Doug Elliott can make him one.  I use a Doug Elliott 101LT, with a F Cup and F8 (Conn) shank.  Which works very well, with Elkies.

Another option, which would require taking horn to a technician.  Have new leadpipe installed, that has a Morse taper.  (Brassark.com has them)  I recommend the MV.  This way, it solves future hassles, with switching mouthpieces.
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Date for an Elkhart Conn bell section? on: Jun 09, 2017, 12:26PM
I think I know the answer to this, but...  :)

Is there any way to get a date on an Elkhart 8H bell section?  I don't have the original handslide, where serial numbers reside for that era.  It does not have the half moon engraving and still says Elkhart, so it's pre-Abilene and post 1950s, right?  Any other changes throughout the 60s into 70 where it might be possible to get a date closer than a decade?  Thanks!

A N-series bell, could have either Made in Elkhart or Made in USA.  P and R series said, " Made in USA" 

Some have suggested, old stock "Made in Elkhart" pieces (not just trombone parts), where shipped to Abilene. Since, the Abilene plant, was bought in 1968.  (Bells where made in Elkhart, assembled in Abilene?)   However, it was still producing OLDS and Reynolds trombones, at that time.  Conn production, was moved there over time, not overnight.

Some say, the 67-69 Elkies , bells where thinner at the rim.  Don't know
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Which instrument to buy? on: Jun 08, 2017, 06:32AM
A used 42B can be found for under $1000, as can an 88H. Why compromise at that price point?
What he said. Also, you won't lose money, if you choose to sell.

My niece is an engineering major, at Virginia Tech.  She simply, doesn't have the time,for music.

So don't get greedy.  Need vs. want. There is a great 88H, on ebay right now.
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Quality of Conn's of the Mid 70s? on: Jun 07, 2017, 02:37PM
There is an 88h I have my eyes on for a repair for the low and I was wondering the quality of conns from the mid 1970s, specifically from 1976.  I know if it were 6 years older it would've been an elkhart which is seemingly highly desired.  But, I can't imagine a huge difference in quality in that time period.  But what do I know? Thats why Im asking you :) Any help is appreciated! 
The early Abilene horns, were pretty good. (Still based on the Elkies.) Conn purchased, an existing mfg plant (producing Olds and Reynolds instruments.)  So workers, did have skills.  late 70s-80s, not exactly US mfg high point, for any manufactured goods.  Conn really started pushing school programs (school buying large bore horns), so production was ramped up.  The Symphony models, really never did anything for me. (Different design)

I wouldn't dismiss, an Abilene horn.  Main thing, how much work has it had, vs. how much it needs.  A horn, that has had a lot of metal work, will play differently...or not well.

Now, if you find an Elkie (72 and earlier) you could play it a couple of years, then sell it.  Just don't march with it.  Clever
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: 88H remington leadpipe question on: Mar 03, 2017, 02:20PM
Here's a photo of three different press leadpipe.  left is a standard 42 (from early 80s), middle is a MV42 (from Noah), right is a nickel (believed to be an Alessi 2)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/18721392@N03/?
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: 88H remington leadpipe question on: Mar 03, 2017, 10:55AM
Personally, on my 88Hs I use a tighter Bach style pipe which I find almost always focuses up the sound, my preference. Fwiw

The pipes we make all come standard with a morse receiver (including the Conn pipes). We can do Remington receiver on request. If you're wanting something similar to what is in your horn, that is possible with a morse receiver. As far as the instrument response changing with the proper receiver/mouthpiece shank, anytime you have a better connection things will be improved.

You would need to have a good tech remove the original leadpipe, which can be tricky on vintage trombones. Sometimes the pipes are corroded or fused to the inner tube and you can get into a situation where you may lose the pipe or the tube of both. You'll for sure what to have someone skilled in leadpipe removal do that job. Once it's out, easy to put a ring on the top of the original and use as a press fit setup and you'll be able to try aftermarket leadpipes

The MV42 leadpipe, or the standard. I actually have, one of each of those.  I understand the corroded part. This horn has sat up for years. So after a cleaning, I'll see. I'm expecting the
existing pipe will be toast, when removed.  In for dime, in for a dollar. 

Like your website, lots of good stuff.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / 88H remington leadpipe question on: Mar 03, 2017, 08:16AM
Bought a N- series 88H (Made in USA), for nostalgic reasons.  (Parents bought me one, in 1970)

Remington leadpipe, is a fairly open leadpipe.  Thinking of changing to a "Morse-taper" leadpipe. Does changing to a "Morse" taper change the play of the horn, much?

I know Noah (has 88h press fit) leadpipes, Doug Elliott can make me a "Remington" shank.

So, I have options, depending of condition of slide inners. (seller didn't know what that meant.) Plus, horn has sat for years, so corrosion, could be an issue.  When I get the horn, that may determine, my direction.

What other leadpipes, have people used, in the 88h?  (Bach, getzen,etc)  I typically use Doug Elliot 101lt, F cup, F8 shank...and Greigo Deco 5  mouthpiece.

17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Yamahas? on: Jul 23, 2015, 06:19AM
300 series beginner
400 series step-up
500 series nicer step-up (generally sold as bulk (school) orders ( some say, based on older 600 series design)
600 series older pro level design (some now call them semi-pro ?)
800 series current pro level
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: cheapish large bore horns on: Mar 18, 2015, 12:33PM
As school, winds down, here in East Texas. You should see lots, turn up on Craigslist.  You looking for straight or trigger?
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Versatile Small Horn? on: Mar 13, 2015, 03:20PM
Thanks for all the input! I think the problem is a bit on both ends. I honestly think i need to spend a littl more time acclimating myself to such a small bore. Also perhaps I need 1 rim for everything. I play a 4BL on my main horn so I'll try to find a 4BS. And our conductor is a violinist.... not a trombonist.....
That's a mature attitude.  I think it's actually, easier going from small bore to big, than vice versa. Have you noticed, one 100 lb piccolo player will be heard over an entire low brass section.   It's not the size, it's the register.  You're being heard. 

Don't get caught up, on equipment, for one piece.  At least, at your age.  Just practice, at lower volume level. 

You'll do fine.
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Versatile Small Horn? on: Mar 13, 2015, 02:00PM
I suspect, the op is simply over blowing. The Bach 7c, might not be the correct mouthpiece. I don't care for 51D, except for Baritone. Find/borrow a Bach 7, call is a day.  And back off.
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