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1  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Today at 07:29 AM
I doubt the photo with this will post, but this needs to be heard.........
A needed, and unheard, voice!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Bussa_statue.png

Mark Shuttleworth
August 18 at 6:41pm ·
This is text of a cogent article sent to me recently by my sister. I felt it to be an interesting read and wanted to share without the trappings and diversions of the webpage. Read or share, if you care.

I'm a black Southerner. I had to go abroad to see a statue celebrating black liberation.
Why aren’t there more statues memorializing slaves?

Updated by Samuel Sinyangwe Aug 17, 2017, 9:12am EDT

(Bussa Emancipation Statue in Bridgetown, Barbados Wikimedia Commons - image)

This July, I traveled to Barbados to unwind and get away. I didn’t know I’d encounter a monument that would help me understand how America processes our history.
Heading into town from the airport, we circled a statue situated in one of the most prominent intersections in town. It depicts a black man, Bussa, breaking the chains that bound his hands in slavery. In 1816, Bussa, an enslaved African, organized enslaved black people across every major plantation to stage a nationwide revolt in what is now known as Bussa’s Rebellion. His actions were instrumental in bringing about the abolition of slavery in the British West Indies.
As someone who grew up in Florida, I had never seen anything like it. For me, a racial justice activist, it communicated viscerally what no study or analysis ever could. It helped me imagine a landscape of liberation.
That night, I tweeted an image of the statue. People began tweeting back pictures of others just like it. Statues in Brazil, Guyana, Suriname, Colombia, Jamaica, Saint Martin, Haiti, Mexico, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and Curaçao — all of black men and women who organized, fought, and risked their lives for emancipation. Free. Fearless. Empowering by design.
These statues represented a reality I did not experience growing up. The monuments in my hometown celebrated the men who fought to keep those who look like me enslaved, not those who fought for freedom. A monument in downtown Orlando where I grew up depicted a Confederate soldier, rifle over his shoulder and towering above his surroundings. At its base was a plaque celebrating the “heroic courage” and “unselfish patriotism” of their cause. A few miles down the road, children spent their days learning in the classrooms of Robert E. Lee Middle School.

More than 700 monuments to these white supremacists dot the landscape of the United States — not just across the South. There’s a Confederate Memorial Fountain in Montana, Jefferson Davis Park in Washington state, and Stonewall Jackson Drive located on an Army base in Brooklyn. These are symbols designed to empower hateful ideology and disempower those who continue to be oppressed by it. As we saw last week in Charlottesville, they have become rallying points for today’s white supremacists.
Confederate statues represent white supremacy
When I was growing up, the Confederate statue seemed to blend into the landscape of the city. It loomed over us as we walked to recess in middle school. But it wasn’t until I was older that I began to comprehend its significance. I'll never forget the anger I felt reading the words it used to describe the Confederates. “Heroic courage.” “Unselfish patriotism.”
These monuments are not benign markers of “Southern heritage.” They unequivocally celebrate a tradition of white supremacy. Look no further than Alexander Stephens, vice president of the Confederacy, who declared the Confederacy to be founded “upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.”
The reason these statues were built has its roots in oppression. Most of these monuments were constructed in the early 1900s as the South was imposing Jim Crow segregation and racial terrorism on black communities. In fact, many were a direct reaction to the perceived threat of racial progress, as with the surge in schools being named after Confederates following the Brown v. Board of Education decision on school integration.
This concerted effort to resurrect the symbolism of the Confederacy so long after losing the war is without precedent. For instance, there are no statues of Hitler in Germany today. Swastikas and other Nazi emblems are banned throughout the country. Rather, the German government has chosen to shut down symbols of its nation’s history of hate and devote resources to commemorate the people who were victimized.
Where are the statues depicting black liberation?
In 1739, an enslaved Central African man named Jemmy led the Stono Rebellion — the largest slave uprising in colonial American history. Starting in South Carolina, Jemmy recruited, organized, and armed up to 100 freedom fighters. Together, they marched toward refuge in Florida carrying banners and chanting, “Liberty!” — “lukango” in their native language Kikongo. They burned six plantations and fought off white militias for a week before the rebellion was ended. Jemmy was killed, but some of his followers are thought to have made it to Florida.
Today there is a lone sign propped up amid the grassy fields of South Carolina to bear witness to the Stono Rebellion. It does not mention Jemmy by name. Why are there so many monuments in America celebrating traitors like Jefferson Davis and so few celebrating heroes like Harriet Tubman, Nat Turner, and Jemmy? Even the US Capitol has at least three times as many statues of Confederate figures as it does of black people. Confederate statues celebrate racism, but the ideology of white supremacy not only venerates oppressors — it also erases the stories and sacrifices of those who dared to resist.
It erases the stories of enslaved black people who, despite the most oppressive circumstances, managed to lead as many as 313 rebellions. It tells us that Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, but not that 200,000 black soldiers — many formerly enslaved — fought to make emancipation a reality. This erasure robs us of a rich legacy of resistance to draw upon when confronting the oppression of today.
These statues must be taken down
It doesn’t have to be this way. Following persistent pressure from local activists, that statue in Orlando was relocated and Robert E. Lee Middle School renamed. This week, officials in Charlottesville, Louisville, and Baltimore began to remove those cities’ Confederate statues. In Durham, students tore down a Confederate statue whose odious presence in front of the courthouse could not be endured any longer. Progress is being made.
Yes, each Confederate statue should be removed, each Confederate school and street renamed. But the fact that the national debate still centers on whether pro-slavery monuments should be taken down, not on how many anti-racist monuments should be built, speaks volumes. Why isn't the idea of building statues like Bussa’s being considered prominently in this national conversation? Why does it seem so hard for this nation to imagine a world where black freedom fighters are celebrated instead of their oppressors?
At a time when white supremacists pose a growing threat, local leaders, artists, and activists should work together to build symbols that unequivocally reject this hateful ideology: monuments that give voice to the truths unheard, celebrate the heroes untaught, and inspire the next generation to join the necessary work of perfecting our union. We deserve to look up to freedom fighters like Bussa, not continue to be looked down upon by our history’s cruelest oppressors.
We deserve more statues that depict our liberation.

(Samuel Sinyangwe is an activist and data scientist who co-founded Campaign Zero, a policy platform focused on ending racism and police violence in America.)
2  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Today at 05:17 AM
FYI:

Confederate soldiers, sailors, and Marines that fought in the Civil war were made U.S. Veterans by an act of Congress in in 1957, U.S. Public Law 85-425, Sec 410, Approved 23 May, 1958. This made all Confederate Army/ Navy/ Marine Veterans equal to U.S. Veterans. Additionally, under U.S. Public Law 810, Approved by the 17th Congress on 26 Feb 1929 the War Department was directed to erect head-stones and recognize Confederate grave sites as U.S. War dead grave sites. Just for the record the last Confederate veteran died in 1958. When you remove a Confederate statue, monument or headstone, you are in fact, removing a statue, monument or head stone of a U.S. VETERAN.

18 U.S. Code § 1369 - Destruction of veterans’ memorials (a) Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (b), willfully injures or destroys, or attempts to injure or destroy, any structure, plaque, statue, or other monument on public property commemorating the service of any person or persons in the armed forces of the United States shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both. (b) A circumstance described in this subsection is that— (1) in committing the offense described in subsection (a), the defendant travels or causes another to travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or uses the mail or an instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce; or (2) the structure, plaque, statue, or other monument described in subsection (a) is located on property owned by, or under the jurisdic-tion of, the Federal Government.


Gee, I wonder what was going on in the late '50's that might have spurred southern legislators to push those laws through? Just more of the racial intimidation that the statues originally represented, maybe? Be interesting to see the breakdown of the votes passing those laws.
3  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Yesterday at 01:14 PM
They've been around for a while, mostly on the west coast, more specifically, the pacific northwest. THey have been common at economic forums. They might more properly be called anti-corporatist if my understanding of them is correct.
4  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Jobs in Florida (in/around Orlando) on: Yesterday at 05:43 AM
THe Deland area is a wonderfull place to live. Check out Stetson University and the Museums here.
5  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 18, 2017, 02:50PM
Ding, Dong, the witch is dead...........

https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-trump-wants-part-ways-steve-bannon-170026442.html

He evidently resigned when Kelly came on board. Be interesting to see where this goes. I'm hearing people say he wants to be the new Roger Ailes.
6  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 18, 2017, 05:06AM
Gotta wonder what game is being played. Is Bannon the monkey handler in this side show?

"It's a fringe element," Bannon told the magazine's co-founder Robert Kuttner about white nationalists within Trump's base. "I think the media plays it up too much, and we gotta help crush it, you know, uh, help crush it more."
He added: "These guys are a collection of clowns."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/steve-bannon-interview-white-supremacy/index.html
7  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 17, 2017, 05:33AM
THis is AWESOME. These POS punks are cowards of the first order. No courage of their perverted convictions what so ever. I hope ALL of them lose their jobs...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/charlottesville-white-supremacists-apos-terrified-132321980.html
8  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 15, 2017, 02:47PM

Feel free to quote me at your pleasure. My screen name is not my actual name, which is Jim Cameron, and I stand by what I have to say without the need for anonymity. I guess that's another thing I'm glad my dad missed: Anonymous trolling on the interweb.

 Good! Thanks
9  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 15, 2017, 01:57PM
Wow. For some reason this whole thing has really got my goat. I guess it's because I keep thinking of my late father. He flew thirty six missions over Germany in a B24 during the second world war. He survived that despite long odds but he lost a lot of friends and some of his hearing. My dad was not a fan of war. He did not glorify it and did not like talking about it. What he would say about that war were two things:

1) It was probably the worst thing that ever occurred in human history.
2) The Nazis and Fascists had to be stopped and, at some point, war became the only way to do it.

I'm glad my dad did not live to see what we are witnessing right now. My father did not deserve to see young American men proudly parading around in Nazi regalia, with swastika and SS tattoos, proclaiming their allegiance to fascistic ideals and affiliations with groups like the KKK, all with the "wink and nod" support of the POTUS.

But that's not even what bothers me most about this stuff. What I can't take is the tremendous number of apologists and equivocators who -  apparently also emboldened by our chief executive - keep trying to normalize these jerks. When I call them Nazis or Fascists or racists, it is not some hurling of invective words. It's not an insult; THEY ARE ACTUAL NAZIS, FASCISTS AND RACISTS! The same sorts who were responsible for the deaths of upwards of 80 million people during the last world war and the unimaginable suffering of millions more!

So Mr. Dickerson, I'm sure if we were neighbors or played in a community band together, I would find you to be a kind and decent fellow. We would probably get along fine whilst politely avoiding the discussion of politics. However, you have gone a bridge too far for me in this thread. Stop it. Stop making false equivalence between the Nazis and those opposing them. Just stop. My father was an anti-fascist and he (reluctantly) used violence to stop them - along with about 16 million other Americans who fought that war. These people are self avowed NAZIS! THEY ARE THE KLAN! THEY NEED TO BE OPPOSED! If some of those opposing them in protests are jerks who throw rocks or punches, then I don't approve of those acts. But THESE ARE NAZIS with their HEIL HITLER SALUTES celebrating the MONGERS OF GENOCIDE! Stop pushing false equivalence. THEY ARE NAZIS! There is NO EQUIVALENCE! Oh, and one of these peaceful alt-right demonstrators tried, with partial success, to commit mass murder with his car. There is NO EQUIVALENCE! By claiming there is you are supporting NAZIS, FASCISTS and the KLAN! Please. Just. Stop.



Whew, I don't think I've ever used all caps and exclamation points to such excess. Apologies. I must really be pissed-off.



 Needed to be repeated again! May I post it to my FB page without your name?
10  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 15, 2017, 12:02PM
You can not expect moral leadership from a man whose entire life has been led completely amorally.
11  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 15, 2017, 11:13AM
And, then, there's this......

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10103151150840483&set=pcb.10103151151099963&type=3&theater

A 7 page twittter rampage that nails these entitled nitwits.
12  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 15, 2017, 10:13AM
Because all the leftists on this site and all media are only condemning the white nationalists for what happened. Both sides are equally guilty of violence. So far, you are the only one that will admit that anti-fa are evil.

It is not "both" sides. It is one side, and the anti-that side. Antifa is nonaligned with the political spectrum.
13  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America: Take 3 on: Aug 15, 2017, 08:58AM
Another week, another column........

Why Dems Lost

Since the astounding result of last November’s Presidential election there have been endless discussions of how and why it turned out the way it did. Fingers have been pointed in every direction, and the Democrat party needs to be doing an internal autopsy similar to the one the GOP (currently,  Government of Putin) did after the previous one.

For the last three weeks I have been showing why and how this country has been pushed ever further towards the fringe of the right end of the political spectrum. Now it’s time to take a look at how the Dems could possibly have lost to such a horrible and incompetent candidate.

For 60 years after Republican policies caused the Great Depression they were, rightfully, exiled from our political leadership. They were able to get their nose back in the tent when Baby Boomers, who had never known the deprivations of the GOP’s (not the Government of Putin in those days) Depression were swayed by the propaganda of the groups we have previously discussed and elected Reagan and a Republican majority in the Senate.

The Democrats had held power and control for those 60 years by steadfastly representing the American working class and supporting, and implementing, programs that benefitted them. They gave us Social Security, Worker’s Comp., Unemployment insurance, the 40 hour work week, the Civil and Voting Rights Acts, etc., etc., etc.

When the right wing propaganda siphoned enough Baby Boomers to begin changing the balance, Reagan began to dismantle what the Dems had built in their half century of control.

Bill Clinton, in his efforts to re-establish  the Dem’s control, turned to the very people who had historically controlled the Republican party, but were being displaced by the group Eisenhower had labeled as “stupid”. He ceded the Democrat party, lock stock and barrel, to the corporatist, Wall Street crowd that had controlled the GOP (you know) in the lead up to the Depression.

When he did so, he sold out the American working class that had been the backbone of the Democrat party that built the American middle class over the last 60 years. It was those displaced people who, in their desperation over that lost representation, elected the snake oil salesman.

IF the Dems ever hope to win another election, they need to reclaim their party from the right-of-center, corporatist, Clinton wing of the party. Not holding my breath.
14  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 15, 2017, 07:20AM
Sure, DD, i will condemn antifa, if they are an organized group of any kind. They have participated in protests that involved violence in the past. As i previously stated, from what I understand they are anarchists and hold no allegiance to right or left wing ideology, they are just trouble makers for the sake of making trouble. Now, why is that relevant in this conversation?
15  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 15, 2017, 05:34AM
My understanding of the Antifa movement is they are anarchists opposed to government in general and do not really affiliate with either left or right wing ideologies. Their main thrust has previously been protesting economic summits.
16  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 14, 2017, 04:09AM
You can't expect moral leadership from a person who, for seventy years, has proven consistently that he is amoral.
17  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 13, 2017, 02:40PM

Once again we are shown that many around the world have a better grasp of what's going on here than a lot of our fellow countrymen do.
18  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Trump's statement against racism on: Aug 13, 2017, 11:28AM
He's certainly getting plenty of heat over it.
19  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: What Trump's election means for the rest of the world on: Aug 11, 2017, 12:19PM
How's that containment working out? Check with Neville and see how containment would have worked out with Germany. LOL!

Proving again the lack of capacity to understand the difference.
20  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: What Trump's election means for the rest of the world on: Aug 11, 2017, 04:49AM

Alt-leftists thinks that appeasement works. History shows time and time again that appeasement always fail.


And Trumpanzees don't have the intellectual capacity or acuity to understand the difference between appeasement and containment.
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