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1  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 27, 2015, 06:24AM

That's a theory anyhow, but not proven. Just assumed.

It has proven true in my personal experience.
2  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 27, 2015, 05:30AM
"Belief Perseverance"

I saw this question on social media, and had to laugh at the accuracy of it.  “Do Republicans EVER have to pay the price for being dead wrong about EVERYTHING?” Based on the last two mid-terms, I’d guess not.

The litany of things they have been dead wrong about is virtually endless:

WMD’s in Iraq, “We’ll be greeted as liberators”.

The war in Iraq will pay for itself.

“The war will last days or weeks, certainly not months or years.”

The Recovery Act will not work.

ACA will be a job killer that will explode the deficit.

The American auto industry should not be saved.


Etc., etc., etc.

Why is it a party so wrong about so many things continues to hold the allegiance of its followers? Turns out we have a psychological tendency for “ belief perseverance” that leads us, when confronted with factual information that contradicts our core beliefs. to ignore it.

Writing in Psychology Today, Brock University professor, Gordon Hobson PHD described it like this; “Unfortunately, being drawn to ideology over facts is an all-to-present feature of human psychology, whether one is on the political left or right. The good news is that becoming aware of such biases can be the first step to overcoming them. The best defence is education (formal or informal), and the best approach to understanding the world is through open-mindedness and a hunger for facts (where possible).”

That statement may go a long way to explaining the GOP antipathy for education, and their disdain for the “educated, liberal elite.” The higher ones level of education and intelligence, the more likely one is able to overcome “belief perseverance”.

There is no better example of “belief perseverance” in America today than the Conservative response to the Affordable Care Act. This week marks 5 years since President Obama signed the law, and virtually every bit of spin, mis-information, and out-right lies opponents have put forth about it have now been debunked.

There are no death panels.

It is not a “Job Killer”. There have been 982,300 jobs created in the medical field since the law was signed.

It did not “explode the deficit”. The CBO now estimates the cost of the law will be 20% less over the next five years than originally predicted.

Etc., etc., etc.

And yet, Conservatives continue to believe the lies. They are nothing if not persistent.
3  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 25, 2015, 06:52AM

Sure, but the issue Russ was pointing out isn't that lesser evils should be ignored, it's that those who support and defend greater offenders are throwing stones at the lesser.

4  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 25, 2015, 06:35AM
 You know, I'm reading through all the hubbub about the e-mails, and it strikes me that Hillary's issue is less objectionable than those of most of the others. Hillary ONLY had, and used, one account. All of her correspondence was from, and saved on, a single source. All the others had a secondary account where they could, like Rove, Cheney, and W did, hide and delete stuff they wanted to keep hidden. Her method seems less duplicitous and evasive to me. Granted, the server location leaves some to be desired.
5  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 25, 2015, 05:49AM
If it helps, y'all are welcome to Mr. Cruz.

Signed, a Canadian.

We got Cruz, and you guys got to keep Justin Beiber. You must have gotten first choice.
6  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 24, 2015, 07:49AM

I don't believe that at all. But they did decide that Obama met the standard with just one parent as a citizen.

Obama met the standard because he was born in freaking Hawaii, after it became a State in the Union. His parents did not matter in any way.
7  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 23, 2015, 08:15AM
You keep harping on truthfulness.

Palin said she can see Russia from her window.  She'd have to live way out on the peninsula for that to be even possible (given the Bering Strait is pretty foggy most of the time).  I admit it's not as big a lie as many, but you seem not to distinguish either.

Actually, she never Said that. Tina Fey did on SNL. But, the sign of good satire is how believable it is, and with Palin, that is absolutely believable, and actually more intelligent than many other things she has come out with.

Bob, I cede your point. That said, with the 30 years of persecution the Clinton's have endured, I do not fault her for taking whatever cover she can from the incessant attacks she is subject to. 30 years, untold millions, and ZERO, NADA, BUPKIS. Not many in either party could have stood that level of scrutiny and invasiveness and come out so clean.
8  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 23, 2015, 06:52AM
I still am.

THat says all that needs to be said about your credibility.
9  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 20, 2015, 11:53AM
As I said in the Column, Clinton did nothing different than many other public officials have done.

"The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007 during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act.[1] Over 5 million emails may have been lost or deleted.[2][3] Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove lost emails, leading to damaging allegations.[4] In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been delete"

Me thinks the "peanut gallery" doth protest overly much.
10  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 20, 2015, 07:35AM

Nobody is perfect and there are a lot of skeletons in her closet.

THat's the point. IF there were skeletons in her closet, they would have been paraded before us in princely regalia with fanfares and flourishes. THe right has been rummaging in her closet non-stop for 30 years. Any skeletons that may have been in there have been brought out for perusal long since. Like I said, "That would lead a thinking person to believe one of two things. Either the right wing zealots, so desperate to find some/ ANY disqualifying tidbit against the Clintons, are completely incompetent and inept, or, there really isn’t anything there." Of course, "thinking people" are few and far between on the conspiracy fringe of the right.
11  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 20, 2015, 06:17AM
This Week's effort:

Treasure Hunters
I am not a big fan of Hillary Clinton. That said, should she decide to run for the Presidency in 2016, she will be the most thoroughly vetted candidate in the history of politics. No single person, since the serpent lobbied Eve to eat the “forbidden fruit”, has been more deeply and comprehensively examined.
For thirty years now, she and her husband have been relentlessly hounded by witch hunts, kangaroo courts, and scandal mongering conspiracy theorists. Untold millions of taxpayer dollars and hours of Congressional effort have been expended (wasted?) in the effort to pin something, ANYTHING on her/ them.
The results? In 30 years, the single negative thing to be concretely discovered is that Bill Clinton engaged in a truly ill-advised peccadillo, and then lied about it. That’s it.
Other than that, all the investigations, witch hunts, and kangaroo courts have turned up exactly BUPKIS, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING. That would lead a thinking person to believe one of two things.
Either the right wing zealots, so desperate to find some/ ANY disqualifying tidbit against the Clintons, are completely incompetent and inept, or, there really isn’t anything there. While I have no problem whatsoever, based on the results of their governing, buying into the ineptitude and incompetence of those on the right, I suspect that at some point someone would have stumbled onto that tidbit if it were there. Therefore, I tend to believe there is no there, there.
Of course, that will not stop the “great, right-wing conspiracy” from continuing their assault on any and every thing Clinton. The newest uproar over her emails, ignoring the FACT her activity was no different than that of many other public officials and that the previous regime deleted over 5 MILLION emails about Iraq and torture, is a prime example.
The conspiracy nuts on the right are like second graders who were told by some devious devil that pirates had buried treasure in their back yard. When asked why they dug hundreds of holes, they responded, “we know there’s treasure here, we just have to keep digging until we find it”.
There have been few candidates for the Presidency with records as Public Servants that approach that of Hillary Clinton. She is a little too hawkish and close to Wall St. for my preference, but 30 years of “digging” has proven her integrity is beyond reproach. There's no treasure there.
12  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 13, 2015, 08:25AM

The large media outlets are centralized under a few main umbrella corporations.

THat is the point. Virtually all the traditional media in this country is controlled by 6 multi=national corporations, and corporations are anything but liberal.
13  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 13, 2015, 05:59AM
As is the rapidity with which it is vanishing from the media. 

Somebody using the wrong email server is getting far more press than an action that actually puts US lives at risk.

Indeed. Well, we do have a corporate, right wing media in this country.
14  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 13, 2015, 05:02AM

In a 1954 letter, President Eisenhower, was discussing a scandal mongering, conspiracy driven faction within the GOP. In it he wrote, “Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history………. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.” He neglected to add, “They have enormous amounts of money.”

He was referring to the founders of the John Birch Society, including Fred Koch, founder of Koch Industries, and father of Charles and David Koch, the puppet masters of today’s GOP. This “stupid” wing was ostracized and excommunicated by the critical thinking adults in the party after their extremist nominee, Barry Goldwater, was trounced by Lyndon Johnson in the 1964 Presidential Election.

After Johnson signed the Social and Civil Rights laws of the mid-sixties, the “stupid” wing of the Democrat party, the bigoted, race haters of the south, switched allegiance, and the “stupid” wing of the GOP began a resurgence. They found their champion in a B level movie actor named Ronald Reagan, and a money driven take over of the GOP was underway.

We are experiencing the results of all that stupidity as regular occurrence in this country today. From the Justice Dept. report on the police dept. in Ferguson, Mo. (worthy of a column unto itself if other stupidity would ever allow the space), to the ill-conceived invite of Bibi Netanyahu to speak to Congress, examples are boundless.

And, now we have the absurdity of a letter, written by a Senator with 6 weeks experience, full of condescension, bluster, and factual inaccuracies being sent to the leaders of Iran, a country with whom we, along with 5 other nations, are involved in serious, delicate negotiations over their nuclear program. The letter was signed by 47 sitting Senators. The irresponsibility of that action is mind-boggling.

The Iranians responded by taking those Senators to school on International Law and the intricacies of our own Constitution. Representatives of nations who are our closest allies, also involved in the negotiations, were horrified.

Because of that letter, the position of the Iranians is greatly strengthened, and that of the US and our negotiation partners is weakened.

The “stupid” (read TEA Party) wing of the GOP is still small. But, because we have allowed money to take over our politics, it is no longer “negligible.
15  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 12, 2015, 06:59PM
Yeah, it's "non-binding". BUT, if the Iranians cheat on the verification regime or otherwise abrogate the agreement, we still have the 2nd option, which seems to be your first option, "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, ...Bomb, Bomb, Iran!!" Either way, you get what you want. Iran with no nukes, or the war you want so bad. what the heck is your problem?
16  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 12, 2015, 07:21AM
Shouldn't have to Bob.

Yes, actually, you should. You keep making claims which are not supported by reality or facts in evidence. If you believe otherwise, you absolutely should have to produce the evidence of why you believe that. As for Russia and China aligning with Iran more than not, the fact there are no chemical weapons in Syria today is all the evidence I need that Russia has a far more iminent interest in keeping WMD's out of the hand of radical extremists than we do. Again, the ONLY alternative to these negotiations is war. Why are you so anxious for another war in the Middle East? The last two weren't disastrous enough for you?
17  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 12, 2015, 06:36AM
THe stupidity, well, make that willful ignorance, being evidenced by those on the right is mind boggling on this issue. First of all, this is NOT a bi-lateral negotitation between Obama and the Mullahs. It is a multi-lateral negotiation being carried out by 7 sovereign states. None of the other parties to the negotiations are running home and telling all the details of the negotiations to their legislative bodies either. That is not how international accords are done.  Those who are claiming that the "agreement (which doesn't yet exist)" will allow Iran to build weapons in 10 years have their ideolgical head so far into a counter-productive place their tonsils are blocking their vision. What has leaked so far is Iran agreeing to a verification regime which will avoid them getting weapons for 10 years. Negotiations won't stop the day an agreement is reached, there will just be 10 years for the world to effect change in Iran, and to keep- pressure on the regime to come to a lasting agreement. There are 2, and only two, possible outcomes to this process. Either we come to a negotiated settlement that keeps Iran from getting nukes, or we have a war. I have a son in the military. I would vastly prefer the former. It chaps my backside to see so many non-critical thinkers believing there is some magical 3rd option only they know about, but can't actually articulate. Again, the willful ignorance is mind-boggling.
18  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 10, 2015, 09:36AM
It would appear Bibi's effort was not particularly well received back home.........


And, now, we have a group of ****** from the GOP side of the Senate going off on a tangent and getting schooled in american constitutional Law by the Foreign Minister of Iran. Why do we keep electing these idiots?

19  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 09, 2015, 08:02AM
 Good! Good! Good!
20  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Mar 07, 2015, 04:10AM

Congress is aware of this and does not wish to allocate more funds to help speed up the process. Rather they have cut them over the past few years. Therefor it falls on Obama to most effectively enforce the immigration laws and specifically target those that are most destructive to our society.

Ex-Frakking-Zactly!! THe House had a bpartisan bill, passed with a veto proof majority on Boehner's desk for a year and a half thaty wouyld have passed with a significant majority if he would have allowed a vote on it. Instead he pandered to the schollyard bullies in the TEA Party caucus and didn't. So, here we are.
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