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61  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 21, 2014, 03:16PM
I don't want to be referred to as someone's "advocate" if you don't mind. I do not/have not claimed advocacy of BvB or any other person on the forum. I speak for myself only. What I do advocate here is civility and a more respectful tone. I don't think popularity or lack thereof is really relevant to whatever is left of the discussion. If you truly think someone is behaving like a troll, there is always the best advice I've heard on the subject: "don't feed the trolls."   :/
Then any political discusssion or religious discussion becomes impossible due to his style which puts off almost all who "try" to participate.  If you don't live up to his "rules", you will be mocked into perpetuity.  That's why "most" paricipants here avoid his crap or have blocked out any thread he participates in.  Which, by the way, are 99.9% political or religious.  Rrarle if ever regarding trombones.
62  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 20, 2014, 10:03PM

What Jim is on about here is The Real Issue™, basically.
I advocate keeping the meta stuff in there to prevent it from taking over a more or less functioning topic--happens too often when the oppressed so "loudly" and insistently rise up against their oppressor(s) (the big meanies, like me) and, as Tim put it before, the fan freak out results in a denial of service attack on a topic. Let's avoid that if at all possible.
Unfortunately we need more Social Climate Police in here if we want to allow for iconoclastic viewpoints. That's much appreciated, Jim (you too, Tim). That mechanism for maintaining societal health seems to have been going dormant alongside the rise of Faux Nuze and such (I'd argue there's probably a causal connection there, not just a coincidence).
You must reside in another planet. The BS you post is out if this world.
Wow! You've got two advocates.  Your popularity is skyrocketing.
63  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 20, 2014, 07:19PM
Now there's  a trolling comment, Dr. Ronkny.  You didn't bother to explain your side; just a snide comment.

Remember, some of us have a tenuous or nonexistent belief in God.  We don't accept without question matters you take on faith.

Some of us are religious not because we love or fear God but because we want/need the social interaction that accompanies the membership in a religious group.  Some of us like the sympathetic ear a good pastor (any flavor) provides.

I have steadily felt that there are good points to religion and bad ones.  I didn't need the local Parochial school kids beating us up.  I don't think the Crusades did any thing except to create a bred-in animus between Muslims and Christians (particularly West European Christians: the Catholic Church, and all its Protestant spinoffs).

And people who put Scientific discovery into a Procrutean transformation in order to comply with a literary work drive me nuts.

I know you are a die-hard Catholic, and that you don't take the Bible as word literal cover to cover.  You have found a way to keep both religion and Science.  Many of us have.

Bruce.  My comment was not snide.  It was a bit sarcastic though.  My family is from Brooklyn too.  Flatbush.  I am just amazed that he doesn't see bvb as an instigator or a mocker or  berator.  It has itching to do with religion.  Bvb is a religion badger who sees religious as brainless "intellectual cowards".  Obviously this guy has not read all BVB's comments on this thread.even you once suspected bvb wasn't even a trombone player.  Remember?
I have no problem with people who are not religious or who don't believe.  I don't lecture atheists that they will go to hell.  I don't make fun of religious nut jobs.  But atheists and religious nut jobs that attack my faith or who call me an intellectual coward, are going to hear from me.  Especially from the comfort of their living room in Georgia.
Bob describes the bvb "act" very well above. 
64  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 20, 2014, 06:14PM
So by mocking, berating and ridiculing do you actually mean out-arguing you? I can't recall seeing any examples of what I would call mocking, berating or ridiculing of you or Baron's other "fans." Certainly not that amount to "personal insults." Attacking ideas is an integral part of  debate or argument but, while it may be difficult to separate ourselves from our ideas, someone attacking your idea is not the same as someone attacking you. Unless you choose to take it that way. Someone wiser than me said, "We don't see things the way they are, we see things the way we are."
65  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 19, 2014, 08:40PM
I've seen enough of those comics now, can't say I've seen any that are readily targeted at understanding believers or such. They all pretty much mock religion and it's practice.

Really just looks like trolling for attention.
66  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 19, 2014, 11:52AM
Is there a point to posting these cartoons?
Yes.  Poking fun at religion.  Seeking attention.  Seeing if we'd bite.   :/
67  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: weird burning knee pain on: Mar 11, 2014, 08:50AM
I get it now and then too.  Was told it's pirisformis syndrome.  Basically my muscles are too tight and they are squeezing the nerves.  I just need to stretch a lot more.  Was given some more stretches to do by an occuparional therapist and a physical therapist. Seems to be working.
68  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 11, 2014, 06:51AM
There have been a couple of attempts to introduce a topic of relevance here, quickly defeated by the posts from puma, ronkny, bob, and billy complaining about bvb.  

It would be okay for one of the fab four to post something actually on topic, or reply to something actually on topic, instead of what is essentially a denial-of-service attack on the thread.  

The comics offer fertile room for intelligent disagreement - if they're wrong, why?  If they appeal, why?  None of the fab four have offered anything but off topic insults.  

Consider this possibility.  In speaking for your particular flavor of Christianity, are you doing so with courtesy, professionalism, and intellectual integrity?  The example you set here is taken by the outsiders to be reflective of the nature of your beliefs, and I fear you are not giving the impression you would like.

I believe the TOU do not apply to Christians.  Your public behavior should be to a much higher standard, drawing admiration and the desire to share what you have.  Is it?  Or does your irritation with bvb mean you abandon your standards?    

Let me illustrate a bit further.  Anybody ever watch Rush Limbaugh?  His style is a particularly disparaging and contemptous one, gleefully nasty to everybody he disagrees with; yet he is the first to proclaim his Christian faith. My church has people who share his right wing views, yet would be deeply embarassed to be seen behaving in that fashion.

Religion is a good thing when the group dynamics have developed and reinforced higher standards of behavior.  But can anyone say that these higher standards are demonstrated in this thread, by our most outspoken religious contributors?    

Look back at the history of this thread.  Any opinion that differs from "the great one" is immediatedly subjected to the idiot basket. There's not one other member here that even comes close to his level or narcissistic behavior to the detrement of almost everyone.  This not a conversation.  It's "I'm always right because i'm a super genius and everyone else are intellectual cowards who can't possibly compete with my superior intellect".  Sounds like Wiley E. Coyote or Vizzini.  You know what happens to them. :D
69  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 10, 2014, 05:54PM

For one, the topic has run its course. When was the last time anyone really discussed the actual topic? Page 25?

For two, it's not the religion sandbox anymore. There are plenty of religious topics being created outside of it in the politics section that actually have a point. What it serves as now is a trolling topic for crap not worth talking about on its own. Such as your comics.

For three, I can't say trolling is really to be encouraged. It's distracting, and crap like that has largely driven away many people from chit chat. It leaves only a few left to have the same old crap. You can say they shouldn't respond then, but the point of trolling and your larger point it seems, is to suck people in, to which they respond, get run around in circles and eventually leave.

For four, the politics section occasionally gets into rough points, but it helps that there is actually a topic and you get off it too far and it's done. That was abandoned long ago here. It shows. The overly verbose explanation above basically amounts to: I can't examine it, therefore there is no god. It's not the proof you claim, rather the reverse of it, but when has accuracy ever stopped you? and that's what, the 50th time you've probably reiterated that BS?
Hehe :D
I propose we start the "Bob" fan club. 
You have so much more patience than I do.
I just love how he just won't let anyone throw his "wubby" into the trash.  I almost have empathy for his cause. 
Just kidding.  I have no empathy. :D
70  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 10, 2014, 02:34PM
I propose that the moderators close this thread and enforce a moratorium on reviving it for some period as a way to nudge people back toward discussions that can have a useful result.

But where will bvb rant, write, insult, troll? 
Sounds great to me.  Close it down.
71  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: The Real Issue (local) on: Mar 09, 2014, 07:54PM
BOB!!! You infidel!  When will you ever learn that your pea sized brain is no match for the superior "Von bone" brain.  Turn in your Mensa card.  Your college degrees.  Yes even if they're from, Princeton, Harvard, Yale and Oxford.  They're no match for the kind of knowledge absorbed by the "Von bone" brain.  Your attempts are futile.  You must yield. Yield!  :D :D :D
72  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Don't forget ... on: Mar 09, 2014, 07:47PM
Ben Franklin liked DST back in the 1700s.

But that was when most work was done by daylight, and electricity was not available. 

I don't see the point of it now. 
Live in western Washington for a while.  Where daylight is infrequent except during "most" summer months.  Setting the clocks ahead allows me to actually see some daylight during my commute in the morning and afternoon.  From Fall  to March it's dark, depressing and wet on the way to work, at work and on the way home.  Setting the clocks ahead means more daylight during the waking hours and that summer will get here eventually.  Like July 5th.  Hopefully.
73  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: The Real Issue (local) on: Mar 09, 2014, 07:04PM
Why would I bother yet again[/i]?
Don't.  Got it?
74  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: The Real Issue (local) on: Mar 08, 2014, 10:31AM
I was watching Saving Silverman and a particular scene reminded me of the average OTF discussion on religion since most of the more functional participants were driven off by the nonsense (sort of anyway--both characters in the Saving Silverman scene manage to maintain context far too well though):
JD is one of Judith's kidnappers. She's chained to a couch in Wayne and JD's basement:
JD (Jack Black): I brought you some more videos. You got your choice: Porno or monster trucks.
    And I got one that's both.
Judith (Amanda Pete): Thanks, J.D. I really appreciate you taking care of me.
JD: My pleasure.
Judith: Hey, you strike me as a pretty responsible guy.
JD: Thanks.
Judith: That's why I'm surprised that you let Wayne boss you around.
JD: Wayne's not--No one bosses me around. Wayne's not the boss of me.
Judith: Yeah. I think that you seem depressed and confused.
JD: You think?
Judith: You have a self-defeating personality disorder.
JD: Whoa.
Judith: Have you considered therapy?
-- scene break --
JD: And ever since then, I've been afraid of toilets. What else can I say about second grade?
Judith: J.D., let's fast-forward. Have you ever had a girlfriend?
JD: Yes ...
Judith: Have you ever fantasized about having sex with a man?
JD: Which man?
Judith: Any man.
JD: You mean, like, a tall man?
Judith: Sure, whatever.
JD: I don't like tall people.
Judith: How about a short man?
JD: How short? Sometimes people can be too short. That's weird, like midgets.
Judith: Have you fantasized about having sex with any man? Any man at all?
JD: Does that include celebrities?
They were all driven off by YOU!  Don't you get it???
75  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 07, 2014, 04:45PM
I have always believed that indulging in personal attacks conveys more information about the attacker's character than the attackee.  (learned that in church - not sure it's truly Biblical, but it certainly seems moral)

I'm sorry, but I do not believe you were honestly inquiring if I were lonely.  I consider that a gratuitous personal attack.

I consider CPAC to be worth consideration, because I consider the alliance of the wacko Republican right and the wacko Christian right to be destructive to both politics and religion.  Mainstream Republicans and mainstream Christians have similar concerns.

No, I did not post out of loneliness.  Now you know my reasoning.  And now if you are a person of integrity and a Christian you will apologize for the attack.   

I sincerely must apologize Tim.  I quoted the wrong person to begin with.  Never noticed till now.  If you notice above, I meant to quote bvb from post #9981.  RHM and Billy and Bob have admonished him.  Not you.  You don't annoy anyone.  Honestly.  I don't think you've attacked anyone, ever.  Really sorry.
76  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 07, 2014, 11:52AM

Okay.  Serious question then.  Do you consider

an example of that substance? 

If not, why say it?  It did not seem to me to relate in any way to the topic of the speeches at the Conservative Political Action Conference. 

It seemed like just a personal attack.  And in my 8705 posts, I don't recall ever making a personal attack towards you.

No.  I dont consider my post an example of "that substance." But it was a honest question.  It's not a personal attack.  What drives someone to post the stuff he does is beyond me.
The topic is "Religion; Good or Bad".  What does CPAC have to do with it except to attack people of faith that are Republican? Read his profile, "Faith is really just cover for intellectual cowardice."  Super.
REad the posts by others here reagding bvb.  RHM, Bob, etc.

You're one of the very few that keep his drivel alive.  Have you asked why others here post "personal attacks" towards bvb, also?
77  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 07, 2014, 06:13AM
I gotta ask.

In the history of your 9824 posts, have you contributed ANYTHING of substance? 

I was expecting a statement like that after my post from a bvb apologist.  iT's OK. He needs all the support he can get. :-P
Answer; Yes.  Do your research.
Has bvb contributed anything to the TROMBONE forum?
Answer; No.
Go ahead and look. Just a lot of hot air.
78  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 07, 2014, 05:59AM
I watched a  little bit of the ACAP speeches by Rubio and Trump.

Scarey stuff, seriously. 

The US is only months away from collapsing into Ukraine style chaos, unless we start invading other countries.  I'm not kidding. 
You must be one lonely boy.
79  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 05, 2014, 09:41AM
How so, billy?

It would appear the Job is completely powerless to affect his fate in any way whatsoever - he is completely at the whim of Yahweh and the Questioner.  

Yet it is emphasized that his misfortunes are not his own fault.

That is part of a long standing disagreement that reappears throughout the OT whenever the ascendancy changes between northern and southern kingdoms (Israel and Judah).  One believed that prosperity was proof of righteousness, and misfortune proof of misdeeds;  the other believed this correlation to be false, and much depended on chance.  

Job is written partly to make that point, and partly to claim the favor of Yahweh was then on that kingdom; sort of a victor gets to write the history scenario.  

In modern times, conservatives believe the poor deserve their fate, while liberals like Jesus take a broader view.  
"In modern times, Conservatives believe the poor deserve their fate"???  Um.  No.  If that were the case no Conservatives would ever give to charities to feed the poor, free medical car, building homes for poor, and on and on.  You think only liberals do that?  Seriously?
80  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Religion - good or bad? on: Mar 05, 2014, 08:05AM
A Limitless universe with billions of galaxies and uncountable numbers of habitable planets (NASA just found 715 of them) and God just put people here? What an absurd concept! No wonder the churches are failing.
The earth is flat? Anyone?
 Way cool Way cool
You sound like a man growing up in the 17th century saying it is impossible for a man to fly, or for that the forse as a means of transportation would ever be replaced. "What an absud concept."  You don't know what you don't know.  :idea Bad dog.  No Biscuits.  Be honest.  It's called faith.  Atheists apparently don't like that word.  They'd like to burn all the books that use that word.
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