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61  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Oct 20, 2017, 09:28AM

So the smartest, most degreed experts are right ... oddly I suspect your "skepticism" and advocacy for sound standards is less than genuine and won't be applied in any way that might be confused with anything remotely resembling consistency (i.e. there's no integrity in your pattern of its use). It doesn't seem to be so much about actual sound standards, but rather the standard that you uncritically think brings about agreement with you.
 
The selective application of skepticism is not really skepticism, it's active bias, and quite often in such cases even actively defended bias--IOW dishonesty/intellectual cowardice (I know that term upsets you and confuses you and you ask the same basic "questions" about it whenever I use it, but if you have the ability to read material that's inimical to your views even somewhat effectively you should certainly understand what it means by now).
Horsehockey
62  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Oct 20, 2017, 08:52AM
Evidence? Evidence of what?  That they picked and chose from the available texts?  They did.  It's a fact.  There are more texts out of the Canon than there are in it.  They picked the ones that they thought made it look the way they wanted.  They picked what they wanted to create as the 'mainstream'.  How the heck were they supposed to know what was true and what was not?  The folks that created the Canon were not there when all this stuff happened.  Truth obviously had nothing to do with it because they could not know what as true and what was not.  Prove me wrong - tell me how they knew for a fact Matthew was true and knew for a fact that Thomas was false?

When you Cherry pick from available information, you are not presenting all the information.  You are presenting a bias.  That should be clear to even you.

I must be an idiot to even respond to you.
Prove me wrong that God doesn't exist. Your background on Christianity is extremely weak. It would be like me arguing physics with you. I'm not a physics expert so I know better than to present opinions as fact or to come up with a physics theory and tell you to prove I'm wrong. You see what I'm getting at?
63  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Oct 20, 2017, 07:55AM
Yes, I was there. Yeah, RIGHT.
Well that explains everything because your opinions are not facts or history.
64  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Oct 20, 2017, 07:54AM
He didn't correct me.  He gave me a link to a wiki that showed a bunch of views about the topology of the world.  What I related is a fact.  John is as lacking in his history on this as you are.  If you want to refute me, go find some proof.

My assertion was that the folks that wrote the bible likely believed the world flat.  I provided evidence of that from History - evidence you are free to check out for yourself, but won't.

What I was tlaiking about was breifly mentioned in that very wiki John posted the link to.

"Roman Empire

From its Greek origins, the idea of a spherical earth, along with much of Greek astronomical thought, slowly spread across the globe and ultimately became the adopted view in all major astronomical traditions.

In the West, the idea came to the Romans through the lengthy process of cross-fertilization with Hellenistic civilization. Many Roman authors such as Cicero and Pliny refer in their works to the rotundity of the earth as a matter of course."


Lot's of individuals had the concept of a spherical world even before Eratosthenes, but they were thought to be nuts.  The concept did not begin to take hold outside academia until the about 100-200 AD.  A fact I don't give a rat's *** if you believe or not.  Correcting your ignorance is not my responsibility.
This is what you posted
ďAlthough , it should be noted that those that wrote the texts of the Christian Canon did believe in a flat earth.Ē
Where is that written?  You want proof of the existence of God and you throw out these opinions as fact. Whereís your proof?
65  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Oct 19, 2017, 12:19PM
I provided that.

If you need more, go and look up the history further yourself.  My response will set in the right direction.
And John corrected you. Your evidence is not valid.
66  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Oct 19, 2017, 12:17PM
Evidence? Evidence of what?  That they picked and chose from the available texts?  They did.  It's a fact.  There are more texts out of the Canon than there are in it.  They picked the ones that they thought made it look the way they wanted.  They picked what they wanted to create as the 'mainstream'.  How the heck were they supposed to know what was true and what was not?  The folks that created the Canon were not there when all this stuff happened.  Truth obviously had nothing to do with it because they could not know what as true and what was not.  Prove me wrong - tell me how they knew for a fact Matthew was true and knew for a fact that Thomas was false?

When you Cherry pick from available information, you are not presenting all the information.  You are presenting a bias.  That should be clear to even you.

I must be an idiot to even respond to you.
Your posts;

"Cherry picking to bias it a certain way with no regard for facts or authenticity.'

"Kind of convenient.  You can just hear them as they sort through the stuff:

Guy 1:  "Yikes, the gospel of Thomas has some really nasty stuff in it!"
Guy 2:  "Yeah, I agree.  See that rug over there?  Go sweep it under."
Guy 3:  "Hey, but at least this is claimed by a real author.  Doesn't that give it some real credibility?"
Guy 2:  "Maybe, but there are some really unpalatable stuff in there and we need to do our best to discredit it."

So it goes...

It's my theory that no matter what is uncovered, the Church will work full time to discredit it if it does not support their viewpoint. "

Because you were there? You have a text that you researched that tells you this?
67  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Oct 19, 2017, 08:45AM
Kind of convenient.  You can just hear them as they sort through the stuff:

Guy 1:  "Yikes, the gospel of Thomas has some really nasty stuff in it!"
Guy 2:  "Yeah, I agree.  See that rug over there?  Go sweep it under."
Guy 3:  "Hey, but at least this is claimed by a real author.  Doesn't that give it some real credibility?"
Guy 2:  "Maybe, but there are some really unpalatable stuff in there and we need to do our best to discredit it."

So it goes...

It's my theory that no matter what is uncovered, the Church will work full time to discredit it if it does not support their viewpoint.  You do realize what saying #105 suggests, don't you?  It is talking about carnal knowledge.  It's the only possibility.  Use your imagination from there.
That's not a justification. That's a made up excuse by you. You make up your own justifications to suit and support your bias. Why? Where did you read that justification? Why make things up?

Like John said,

"Most scholars, traditional, radical, liberal and everyone else in between, place the gospel of Thomas well into the 2nd century.  It is just a collection of sayings with no narrative context like the canonical gospels and no logical structure like the epistles.

In other words it wasn't convenience that kept it out, it was because the church recognized that it was out of the mainstream and really had not connection to the true apostolic tradition."
68  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Oct 19, 2017, 08:43AM
I'd like to see evidence for that claim!
Me too.
69  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Oct 19, 2017, 08:43AM
Right.  It's not about the truth of what really might have happened back then.  That's of minimal interest.  It was about piecing together a basis in Canon to support an idea for a church.  Cherry picking to bias it a certain way with no regard for facts or authenticity.

Does that justification not bother you?
And your evidence of this is what? where" who? when"
70  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: Playing after Periodontal Surgery on: Oct 18, 2017, 08:29AM
I also have a question regarding playing after dental work. I had my rear molar on the lower left side removed yesterday and wondering when it would be safe to start playing again as I don't want to cause damage to the blood clot in the socket.

Also what effect will the missing tooth have on ones tone and tonguing?
Wait 24 hours. Unless you have sutures in then it's 5 days. Then you won't disturb the clot and end up with a dry socket. After 24 hours it will just depend on how sore you are. But the risk of dry socket is pretty much gone after 24 hours.
71  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Oct 16, 2017, 08:31PM
No takers on this?  Can none explain why Jesus (and therefore God) said this or what he meant?
Maybe because itís not accepted as Gospel by the Church.
https://www.catholic.com/index.php/qa/why-isnt-the-gospel-of-thomas-in-the-bible

http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=364517&Pg=&Pgnu=&recnu=
72  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: Asthma and Sleep Apnea on: Oct 16, 2017, 10:12AM
I am a dentist and I treat sleep apnea.
There are different causes of sleep apnea.
There are variations in severity of sleep apnea.
There are different types of sleep apnea.
Every type of sleep apnea can be treated with a cpap because if forces air into your lungs even if you stop breathing.
Somne people have central apnea, where the brain just doesn't signal the body to breath. CPAP's are great for this.
The other types of sleep apnea are due to obstruction whether it's the nose, throat, trachea, obesity, etc.
The incidence of GERD in patients with sleep apnea is higher than in non sleep apnea patients. We don't know exactly why.
Other treatments for sleep apnea are oral appliances like the ZYPPAH and some other more elaborate appliances. Also the Medcline pillow can help (also helps with GERD).
I personally tried a CPAP and since I sleep on my side the mask would move when I moved, the seal would break and it sounded like a jet taking off in my face. Some masks also would pool water and I'd wake up feeling like I was drowning. But for many people the CPAP works great.
I use a Somnodent appliance for mild sleep apnea and a Medcline pillow for GERD.
Losing weight definitely helps but for some it's anatomic. I have a 15 y/o woman that has sleep apnea and is 5"5" and 105 lbs. So obesity is not the issue with her.
If you have sleep apnea or think you may get an exam.  It's easy. What ever you use, use it. Putting a strain on your heart may not manifest as an issue until your older and now you have CHF. Not good.
Feel free to ask any questions.
Dave

PS i
Asthma is beyond my field.  But since I too have asthma, I can sympathize. Having the humidity in the cpap was helpful. My upper airway felt less irritated. I don't think I would have tolerated the dry air.
Now I just have a humidifier and my Medcline pillow and my somnodent. So far so good.
73  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Las Vegas shooting on: Oct 03, 2017, 01:39AM
But I can explain the obsession.

It's the Small Penis Problem. The men who need these guns live in constant, gob-smacking fear that they appear unmanly, that someone thinks them unmanly and that they are unmanly.

They worry that they do not measure up to real men in every parameter... penis, income, career, biceps... acquiring the guns is a way to feed the reassuring fantasy of manly identity, the fantasy that they are some sort of rugged, self-sufficient pioneer.

The fear of inadequate manliness is why they voted Trump over Hillary, why they buy pickup trucks over real cars, and why they play fantasy football instead of an instrument.
Thatís a broad over-generalization.
You do know Hillary voters have guns too.
And so do women. (XX) women.
74  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: Playing after Periodontal Surgery on: Sep 30, 2017, 10:51AM
I had periodontal surgery 5 days ago.  They removed gum and bone above my two front teeth (front and back) and stitched the gum back together.  I was experiencing no pain so tried to play a few notes for the first time last night.  Experienced pain and stopped.  Shifted my mouthpiece to put more pressure on my lower lip and it was less painful, then stopped because I didn't want to develop a bad habit.

The periodontist was not a brass player and had no advice.  He did say that I should expect healing to take 3 months.

I would appreciate any thoughts, advice, or experiences from anyone on the forum who has gone through this.  Thanks.
Iím a dentist and a trombone player.  Full healing will take at least three months. However, now that the stitches are basically resorbed or gone and initial healing has taken place, you should be able to play as long as youíre not hurting. One caveat is that I donít know what your bite looks like, if your teeth are mobile and how much bone you have left around those teeth.  I wouldnít want your teeth to move. I donít think they would but Iím just being overly cautious if you have lots of bone loss since I canít see your X-rays.
75  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Disgraceful NFL on: Sep 25, 2017, 09:44PM
No, I just enjoy taking the ****.
Well thatís helpful.
76  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Disgraceful NFL on: Sep 25, 2017, 09:27PM
I wasn't aware that less than half counted as "most" Don't know
Sorry. 37%. My post was mostly correct.  Is it important that itís less than half? To you?
77  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Disgraceful NFL on: Sep 25, 2017, 09:10PM
I wish that DD and Ronk (and others who are like minded) could for second imagine what it would be like to be prejudged by the color of their skin. And imagine being pulled over for no reason other than suspicion based on the color of their skin. And imagine sitting scared in their car with a gun pointed at their heads, wondering if they will be alive the next day and be able to go home to their loved ones.

Imagine having to tell your son how to act when you are pulled over for being black. It happens. But they don't think so. Or if they do know it happens, they don't think it is a big deal.

But they won't go there. They are incapable of empathy for anyone different from themselves. They live in their lilly white pseudo-Apartheid world that does not need to be changed. Why? Because they aren't the ones whose civil rights are constantly being questioned.

Sad
I can imagine it just as well you or any other white person.
Are your civil rights constantly being violated? (BTW, their rights are not being constantly violated. I know you heard that somewhere but itís not true)
You donít know how they feel any better than any other white person.
Empathy. Youíre going to lecture me on empathy?
The US Navy is not a lily white apartheid world.

Very sad.
78  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Disgraceful NFL on: Sep 25, 2017, 09:02PM
Which ones in particular?
Dr Ben Carson.
Dr Blackmon and Dr James (shipmates of mine) and many officers and chiefs in the Navy and other armed forces.
Master Chief Brashear
Senior Chief Jones (SEAL)
Most of the NBA
Most of MLB
Half of the NFL
Tim Scott
JC Watts
Many entertainers
The Tuskeegee Airmen
And many more.
79  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Disgraceful NFL on: Sep 25, 2017, 08:42PM
Why do you think problems with money, education, broken families, and glorifying gun violence are more prevalent in the black population then? 
Partly because we have enabled it. That leads to apathy and hopelessness.Otherwise I donít know. Because itís not just race. Many minorities have done extremely well. In spit of being a minority.
80  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Disgraceful NFL on: Sep 25, 2017, 08:21PM
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You didn't answer the question. How would you feel if that was your reality?
I didnít see a question. But if the question is implied then I would feel awful but I wouldnít blame anyone but myself. Since lots of  black people have done quite well. Iíd want to be one of those successful people. I would not want  another race of people telling me how tough I have it and that I need their sympathy and help.
My family were poor Irish Catholics. They were considered inferior by the British and then by Americans. But they made it.
Bruceís ancestors were almost wiped off the face of the earth yet they have made it too.
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