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61  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Supreme Court Decisions on: Sep 03, 2014, 07:21PM
You are right.  Tax loopholes do not create Government waste.  But they create a situation where we are committed to spend more than we take in.  You can't cut expenses by abrogating contracts -- it's illegal.  I'm sure your supplier of dental supplies wouldn't be terribly happy if you told him you were going to stop paying his invoices.  Government creditors are similar.

If you really want to see Government waste, look in Military Procurement.  For the suppliers it's a Schmaltzgrieb (I assume you remember what that means).
The military wastes tons.  But no more than the rest of government.
Chicken fat taking stealing?
62  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Is Obama blowing it? on: Sep 03, 2014, 07:18PM
I can't agree. Think back to when everyone was jumping on Obama about Syria. Some people criticized him for being too reluctant to intervene. Others complained that he was getting too involved by standing up against the chem weapons.

In the end he did just about what was right. The chemical weapons were curtailed, and the civil war unfortunately continued.

Looking at the situation now, how much credibility do the people asking Obama to arm the rebels have? We'd be declared enemies of Assad, and we'd be squaring off against his substantial air defenses instead of just ISIS in Syria. Like it or not, the factions that joined ISIS would have been our de facto allies, because the moderate rebels couldn't get the job done without the Islamists' help. Even if Assad were toppled, ISIS would be running Syria, because the closest thing we had to 'good guys' were also the weakest faction in the civil war (and one end of the 'moderate' spectrum had strong anti-Shi'ite and anti-Alawite elements that would have dovetailed with ISIS's goals).

People who defend freedom and democracy tend to run up against deToqueville's problem--"Freedom to do what?" We let the Egyptians vote, and they voted the Muslim Brotherhood into power. There's no reason to believe supporting 'pro-democracy' advocates would produce a different result elsewhere.

So the complaints about Obama's 'failures' in the Mideast are ultimately infantile--Something bad happened, he's a bad man!. At the end of the day, doing little is sometimes a much better option than doing the wrong thing.

Ask GWB.
Infantile.  Funny.  And very piano man like.
You're just as Wishy Wishy as Obama is.  Can't make a decision.  Right or wrong you have to make a decision.
63  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Is Obama blowing it? on: Sep 03, 2014, 04:36PM
Who are you comparing him to on the national policy front? Who would have done better? Romney?
Yes. And  Clinton.  Reagan.  Roosevelt.  Lincoln. Washington.  My 6th grade teacher.  The direct TV guy.
Obama is embarrassing
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/anne-applebaum-syria-and-obamas-mixed-messages/2013/09/04/a9e53170-157a-11e3-be6e-dc6ae8a5b3a8_story.html
64  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Is Obama blowing it? on: Sep 03, 2014, 04:23PM
Exactly. Except, I am a big fan of his. We don't really know what he could accomplish if he was allowed to "do his thing", but what he's accomplished with one hand tied behind his back is pretty remarkable.
He's accomplished nothing.  He's made a meds of foreign policy.  Even today he confused everyone because he's so undue of himself.  I think you've been brainwashed Russ. 
You didn't sleep with him.  Did you?
65  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Supreme Court Decisions on: Sep 03, 2014, 04:20PM
********.

The waste in the social programs amounts to millions.

The waste in other areas, such as the tax code and business loopholes amounts to billions upon billions.

Cutting food stamps isn't cutting waste. It's a show. And one that hurts the recipients far more then any real cuts they could implement.
So you were against Bubba's welfare reform too?
Of you think cut backs in the food stamp program isn't cutting waste then I have a bridge to sell you.  The government is the king of wasteful spending. 
The waste is on the billions.
Tax loopholes and the tax code doesn't result in waste.  I'm not sure you meant to say that.
66  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Supreme Court Decisions on: Sep 03, 2014, 04:15PM
And, you all have a black friend,too. Right?

I realize you believe everything you hear on msnbc.  Broaden your horizons Russ.  You might be pleasantly surprised.  Not one of your "Wake up America" presentations ever goes after the left.  It's very telling that you're not getting the whole story.  
67  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Supreme Court Decisions on: Sep 03, 2014, 03:44PM
Then why has the house been so anxious to slash food stamps, wic, unemployment, and other benefits that have a large impact on people and their ability to care for their own children? They done everything they could to gut those programs for 4 years in a row now.
Because there's too much waste and lack of over-site. They do not want to cut them to those in need.  Remember when Clinton signed welfare reform and the left went apoplectic?  Same thing here.  You guys think the right wants to cut all this stuff for people who really need it.  It's just not true.
68  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Supreme Court Decisions on: Sep 03, 2014, 02:57PM
So you support Welfare, AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children), SNAP (Food Stamps)?  I keep hearing you complain about how much money the government wastes on such "non-productives".
Of course I support those programs. Which I've probably said over and over here. As long as there is an incentive to work, if possible and the programs are more closely monitored to prevent abuse.  Non productive's by choice are a waste of my money. Your view of the right is totally off.
69  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Supreme Court Decisions on: Sep 03, 2014, 02:41PM
It must be nice to go ahead and ignore things like natural abortion that completely disprove your point. It also must be nice to ignore that birth is a rather traumatic event, and one that even a viable fetus may not survive.


Yet for all of the focus on helping abortion, it is often the very same crowd that cuts support for children in food and medicine and would rather go to war the negotiate and doesn't mind killing some innocents to put others to death as well. Such an odd view of sanctity.
"Yet for all of the focus on helping abortion, it is often the very same crowd that cuts support for children in food and medicine and would rather go to war the negotiate and doesn't mind killing some innocents to put others to death as well. Such an odd view of sanctity."
And that would also be incorrect.
70  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Supreme Court Decisions on: Sep 03, 2014, 02:40PM
And a clump of carcinogen cells is not yet a cancerous tumor.  So do we wait for it to become a tumor and possibly metastasize before they are removed?  After all, they will only become a cancerous tumor.
That's a great analogy. :/
71  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Supreme Court Decisions on: Sep 03, 2014, 12:59PM
But you are objecting to abortion at all stages, including a just fertilized egg, not just a fetus with fully operational organ systems.  You object to aborting a clump of undifferentiated cells - cells that have not yet tranformed into any type of cell, like muscle, nerve, brain, liver, skin, etc.  To me those cells do not represent a person with rights.  They are not a "baby."  
I agree. They are not yet a baby.  But they cannot become anything else.  Differentiation begins at day 4.
72  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Supreme Court Decisions on: Sep 03, 2014, 12:11PM
If you rely on Wiki for all your answers, so be it.  Read "The Developing Human" by Moore. The textbook for human clinical embryology.
Even your wiki is more accurate than your "a couple cells of each organ maybe". But it's still flawed.
73  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Supreme Court Decisions on: Sep 03, 2014, 11:58AM
Well, a couple cells of each organ maybe. Certainly having the beginning of them does not mean they are functional, operational, or even identifiable. Is there a point to that distinction?
Incorrect.  Once they are formed most development is complete. Most are functional, operational and identifiable.  Now growth takes over.
74  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Sep 03, 2014, 11:55AM
It always surprises me when people cite polls to 'prove' anything. Polls measure public opinion, not validity, anything, and most people are dumb as a post. 

Polls aren't entirely useless--they show what people are thinking--but they're not much evidence one way or another as to the best course of action. If Justin Bieber sold more music than the NY Phil last year, it doesn't make his music good.
Maybe it doesn't prove anything because it's just a poll.  I don't remember posting this poll to prove anything or implying that it proved anything.  Just that unions are not as popular as Russ would like them to be .
75  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Supreme Court Decisions on: Sep 03, 2014, 11:36AM
Please let us admit that rational people can hold the opinion that a blastocyst or even a fetus is NOT a baby.

There is no doubt about considering the convicted felon to be a person.  There IS disagreement about a clump of undifferentiated cells in the early stages.   

Continuing to shout "innocent babies" does not make it universally agreed upon as true. 
I don't think there were 1.21 million blastocysts aborted in 2008. A fetus and an embryo are not a clump of undifferentiated cells.  A fetus has all the organs that a newborn has.
76  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Is Obama blowing it? on: Sep 03, 2014, 09:04AM
Nukes? You mean like the Taliban in Pakistan can readily get a hold of, if they haven't already?
Yes. I am unaware that they can readily get a hold of them.  Are they that un-secured?
77  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Supreme Court Decisions on: Sep 03, 2014, 09:03AM
Here is a case where a little knowledge has proven to be a dangerous thing.

When we didn't understand what sperm and eggs were, we assumed that life began when the woman "quickened" (i.e. could feel the baby move inside).  This actually comes close to the point of viability outside the womb.

Now we know that babies are started when the man's sperm meets the woman's egg.  So some religions have decreed that as soon as the sperm meets egg that is a baby.  Which means that a woman who miscarries because something went wrong with the pregnancy now qualifies as a murderer.

I believe that the Supreme Court has ruled that abortion of a viable fetus is not allowed under Roe v. Wade (except in some dire circumstances), so that eliminates killing a legitimately potential baby.  Anything else isn't a baby yet and forcing one to come to term is like forcing a cancer cell to continue to grow into a tumor.
"Which means that a woman who miscarries because something went wrong with the pregnancy now qualifies as a murderer." No.  That is not correct.  Only if the women intentionally miscarries.  Spontaneous abortions/miscarriages are not murder.

So you are saying that since the supreme court says aborting a viable fetus is not allowed they are saying that anything else isn't a baby.  Correct?  A baby is a viable fetus?  Just wondering. Some others here don't consider the fetus a baby.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetus
78  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Wake Up, America! on: Sep 03, 2014, 08:43AM
Hmmm Russ.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/03/gallup-poll-shows-support-for-right-to-work-laws-even-from-democrats/?intcmp=latestnews
79  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Is Obama blowing it? on: Sep 03, 2014, 08:22AM
Probably dealing with overpopulation, and the wars, famine, environmental impact, disease, and other potentially devastating issues that come with it.
OK Bob.  I think letting ISIS run rampant will help with overpopulation and global warming if they get a hold of nukes.  Might hurt the environment though. 
80  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Is Obama blowing it? on: Sep 03, 2014, 08:21AM
Ever notice how many people bring up Neville Chamberlain in a discussion of any sort? I've seen at least three different members mention him, largely apropos of nothing, in the last couple of weeks, and always people with little depth of knowledge about current events or history.

Next time, I'll start a "I Know One Thing About 20th Century History" thread so the Neville Chamberlain mentioners have a home.
That was a great post.  Didn't say anything but great.  For you.
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