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101  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ?? on: Mar 07, 2017, 06:12AM
Exactly how sharp are the inner rim , Chris ?  Like a Conn 3B or Remington ? I could live happy with a rim contour like Denis Wick for instance, but ithe Conn rims are borderline painful..

Trond

Hard for me to give you an accurate idea.... the MV I like is a little flatter than most with a good inner bite.

Bill.... you will get a chance to try it when you are over....

Chris Stearn
102  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ?? on: Mar 07, 2017, 12:17AM
I have modelled my MV rim onto the Artisan mouthpiece. I will take it into work today and see what the reaction is.

Chris Stearn
103  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Conn or Holton as main bass trombone? on: Mar 05, 2017, 02:34AM
The sound is more YOU than any trombone... Conn, Holton.... whatever...
Both sound good... very good...
You are more at home on the Conn and that shows a little, but in the end, play on what you like... I bet you like one better than the other ?
As you know, I have all these trombones and on each you have to work a little differently, but you are always heading for the same goal.
I am using my old friends Raths now and they get me to the same place.... perhaps more easily than the old horns, but my goal does not change.

Chris Stearn
104  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Mechanical considerations - dependent vs independent bass valve configurations on: Mar 05, 2017, 12:51AM
I don't think that the angle to the ground will be the issue.... most likely it will be the linkage.... second most likely, muck on the valve or valve case. Hagmanns are easily damaged... choose your tech with care. NEVER polish the steel valve shaft. I used a dep. Hagmann setup for a few years and had no issues with the second valve. It may be a single bearing but it is a long bearing ... never heard of problems due to that aspect of the design.

Chris Stearn
105  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Richard Smith, still nutty on: Mar 03, 2017, 06:31AM
Breath control is a fundamental in that a brass player who wants to play at the highest level must gain control over the air flow through the lips before any other aspect of playing can be really controlled. That's why so many teachers talk about it.

Chris Stearn
106  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Attn. Conn experts... on: Feb 28, 2017, 11:44PM
My 1934 Conn70H has a bell and J bend made from an alloy with slightly higher copper content.... a slightly different colour to the valve tube which is yellow brass.

Chris Stearn
107  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Does mouthpiece material affect tone/sound? on: Feb 27, 2017, 12:59AM
Tonal variation is less obvious in smaller spaces... I was surprised at how Zirconium seems to me to have distinct qualities in a concert hall. A little darker but still with overtones and with noticeable projection improvements .... and that was noticed by the players around me too. Don't stress about needing a mouthpiece in this wonder material ... it is very expensive.... hundreds of dollars a piece... and there are no production plans at present. I have tried Titanium and wondered what the fuss was about. Zirconium seems a far more suitable metal for mouthpieces, but cost would put most people off.... there is also the issue of design... this one I have is a copy of a Rath mouthpiece, made not at the request of Mick Rath, but with his knowledge and approval.

Chris Stearn
108  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Does mouthpiece material affect tone/sound? on: Feb 26, 2017, 01:42PM
Maybe because of the microscratches caused by normal plating wear? I doubt that CNC can duplicate that...

No, it was the polishing of the rim... contour slightly changed.
109  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Does mouthpiece material affect tone/sound? on: Feb 26, 2017, 01:13PM
Having a CNC copy of a mouthpiece and the original, I can say that they do sound different with different metals... but they feel different too.... even though they measure the same.... yes I have checked. Hours of fun.

Chris Stearn
110  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Does mouthpiece material affect tone/sound? on: Feb 25, 2017, 02:03AM
Interesting issue... I have been sent a Zirconium mouthpiece to test, together with the sliver plated brass mouthpiece it was copied from. I will offer some observations when I have finished testing these and discussed it with the maker. Based on past observations, material does make a difference, but it is almost impossible to have identical shape mouthpieces, so it is very hard to attribute qualities to material alone. Watch out for developments.

Chris Stearn
111  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ?? on: Feb 23, 2017, 07:21AM
I got hold of a Bach Artisan 1 1/2G yesterday. In many ways it is a very good mouthpiece... sound and blow are excellent... my section mates were split between the Artisan and the MV. but testing ended because the rim is simply dreadful !!!! Sharp inner rim, high point very much toward the inner and outer rim drops away rapidly. What were they thinking ?Nothing like any NY rims I have seen.

Chris Stearn
112  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Why not the small bore for "legit" or classical style playing? on: Feb 22, 2017, 09:13AM
It takes work to make it sound easy. At least in my experience.

Sounding easy feels easy... but you're right... it takes a lot of work... a LOT... and a few days off and it's gone....
113  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: conn dual bore bass trombone slide ? on: Feb 22, 2017, 12:54AM
It is very different from the standard slide... not an air hog, but the sound is very different, at least for me. Very nice with the right pipe and bell section but you really have to build up the whole horn. What it changes is the sound profile through the dynamics... it can make things more French Horn like .... which we don't want !!

Chris Stearn
114  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: conn dual bore bass trombone slide ? on: Feb 21, 2017, 03:46PM
I have one Andy.... with the Frankenbell  Evil Evil Evil Evil

If you remember, I got it from Lorna Mc who said that she couldn't find a use for it.... took me a long time... and a Callet pipe...

Chris Stearn
115  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Why not the small bore for "legit" or classical style playing? on: Feb 21, 2017, 05:59AM
If you want to audition for an orchestra the default is, and has been for many years some kind of .547 bore tenor. That's it. End of. When you get past the audition you could be asked to play a smaller bore instrument... it's in our contract at the opera... we had a player trial on a Bach 16m and win the job.... just the rep he got. On the job people often play smaller gear to get nearer the sonic truth... more than 20 or 30 years ago...

Chris Stearn
116  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Playing an octave above what is written for an audition. on: Feb 21, 2017, 05:40AM
I did not say that the panel already has someone in mind... how could I know that ?
All the panels I have sat on pretty much know what a candidate can do very soon on in the audition... but you have to maintain standards... people can lose on the last excerpt !!

Chris Stearn
117  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Playing an octave above what is written for an audition. on: Feb 20, 2017, 11:40PM
Don't bother, the panel will most likely have made up it's mind on you in the first few lines of music.

Chris Stearn
118  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Whats the difference between Shires Trubore valves and M&W Valves? on: Feb 17, 2017, 10:23AM
Greenhoe did not ever make the valve "in house" ie, at the Jackson WI shop, instead using various (at lease 4 different contractors that I'm aware of) machine shops to do the actual machining of the valves/casings. There were schematics for both Greenhoe and Shires valve arrangements in the engineering documents on file at Greenhoe.

The early Shires section in our shop at present has an actual Greenhoe valve, with the engraving on the cap and valve ring.

Shires "may" have been capable of machining rotors/casings at this early stage, (for both companies to use) but I expect that Shires would also have been using contractor machine shops for at least the first several years. Machines capable of doing that type of machining are expensive and using contractor machine shops just makes sense when dealing with relatively small numbers as would have been the case at this stage of the game.

FWIW...
M

One thing I know about Steve Shires through hanging with him is that he is a total gear head tooling wise and attends factory closure sales and buys all sorts of things he thinks might be useful... they can do pretty much everything at the factory.

Chris Stearn
119  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Whats the difference between Shires Trubore valves and M&W Valves? on: Feb 17, 2017, 12:49AM
Just to clarify (and no doubt confuse some people) Shires did use Greenhoe valves early on in their production. (We have such an example in our shop at present) Shires then designed their own "enhanced rotor" valve, and used it in place of the Greenhoe. (I don't know if this valve is still listed in their catalog.) There is also the "dual bore" rotor offered by Shires now, which is another design again.

FWIW...
M

I was told, by someone close to the action at the time that early Greenhoe valves were made by outside suppliers to Gary's spec. and that Shires was a supplier. Shires made a very similar rotor for in house instruments... look at the core of a Greenhoe and the core of a Shires and they look very similar. I think there was some kind of lawsuit between Greenhoe and Shires, so the true facts may never surface.

Chris Stearn
120  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Choosing a Parduba Double-Cup mouthpiece on: Feb 16, 2017, 12:33AM
What is wrong with the parduba? FWIW I never played one, but on trumpet I use a double cup Wedge, and I am quite happy with it. For me, it is not so much about high notes as it is about ligther sound. It is still a kind of compromise, it is difficult to get a decent sound on it below the staff.

Simply, the very few I have heard used sounded really dreadful. As it happens, I have a double cup bass mouthpiece in my collection... a PHD... slightly bigger than a 1 1/2G , it sounds and plays better than I expected but I have never used it in a playing situation... bright and a little hard in sound, it might improve with more outside mass. In the end, I just ask why ???

Chris Stearn
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