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41  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Single Radius vs. Dual Radius Tuning Slides on: Jan 30, 2017, 12:04AM
Biggest difference ??? How they look.

Chris Stearn
42  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Vintage Bach Trombone Balancer ? on: Jan 29, 2017, 02:34PM
You could go down the Gordon Campbell route and get Adrian Jarvis to fill the stays with lead!

The OP is a friend of both Gordon and Adrian.... he is probably aware of that route, but that does involve some torch work. My Martin has solid stays and extra thick tuning slide tubes and it balances well.... I know Andy likes his period touches though...

Chris Stearn
43  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Playing sharp on bass on: Jan 29, 2017, 02:27PM
"Does this really happen in the real world ?"

Well, that depends on if you read it on the internet or not....



Exactly.... but what do we know ? Perhaps there are wiser minds on the net.
Now, what if these trombones were DESIGNED to have their tuning slides extended ????  A maker once told me that creating more cylindrical tube at that point in a trombone can have benefits..... oh, even the thought of it....

Chris Stearn
44  Creation and Performance / The Business of Music / Re: Importing horns into the US on: Jan 29, 2017, 01:44AM
You guys need a trade deal  :D :D :D :D  Evil Evil Evil Evil
In the UK we get to pay tax on everything from the US... even gifts !!! With handling fees, we can pay as much on a small item as it is worth, over again.
It's the way of the world, and it is about to get a lot WORSE.
I have given up on the idea of buying trombones from abroad.

Chris Stearn.
45  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Vintage Bach Trombone Balancer ? on: Jan 29, 2017, 01:36AM
I think the OP is interested in an original weight for his original spec trombone. Lots of modern weights out there... that was not the question.

Chris Stearn
46  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Playing sharp on bass on: Jan 27, 2017, 02:14PM
I've played big and small mouthpieces in the same trombones.... for me there is no difference in pitch. Not seen it in my students either. Does this really happen in the real world ?

Chris Stearn
47  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Unidentified Boosey and Hawkes Trombone on: Jan 27, 2017, 02:51AM
May be worth a message to Stewbones or if you know him Adrian Jarvis.      B&H. In this period produced various prototypes trying to get their horns right including a . 500 bore that Don Lusher had some input into and did play for  a while!

But as with all boosey trombones they never went the extra mile to get them really good and consistent!

One point I will make is that the stays look like 70' & 80's Yamaha ones, so it could be one of their pro level .500 bore horns with the boosey counterweight put. On........just a thought!

Pretty much sure that those are B&H stays. Seen them on other B&H trombones of that period.
Development instruments would not get a serial number and B&H tended not to hang on to them, so I think it is what is supposed to be.

Chris Stearn
48  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Bass trombone and tuba in the orchestra on: Jan 27, 2017, 01:37AM
I have been very lucky to sit next to some of the finest tubists on the planet. All are different... very different... but that is part of the fun. Some made huge sounds... with these you give the overtones and clarity to the blend.... focus and articulation.... others are more compact and clear, and then you need breadth of sound to add to the mix with the tuba sound. Most tubists are a combination of the above qualities and, of course these players work differently on BBb, CC, EEb and F tubas.
You have to have in your mind, an ideal of how you should sound when working with each of these possibilities and set about making it work every day.
A fine tubist makes my life a joy.
If you find one, treasure them.

Chris Stearn
49  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Gape discussion - is there such a thing? on: Jan 25, 2017, 04:02PM
I suspect another grail moment... no revelation or revolution is about to happen...sorry...
In my somewhat extensive/ expensive leadpipe collection I have pipes that are simple tapered tubes, pipes that are two piece with a gap and two piece with tube inside tube pipes... any magic pipes ? Yep... from all kinds... don't worry... we are not missing out... all types can work.

Chris Stearn
50  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Difference between the Elkhart 70 series basses and 60 series basses on: Jan 23, 2017, 12:33AM
The 60 and 62H models are just as large as modern Shires, Rath, Bach, Yamaha etc. They have narrow slides, so may seem smaller in the hand. Edwards are bigger than everything else.
72, 71 and 73 not used in orchestras ???? Come on, they were used a lot and with great results.... alongside 88Hs as well. You can make a great orchestral sound on a 73H.... Keith McNicholl when in the Philharmonia orchestra.... Alan Mathieson in the BBCSSO.... Kleinhammer before he went onto Bach (70H ?), Ostrander in the NYPO... the real change ?

Chris Stearn
51  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Difference between the Elkhart 70 series basses and 60 series basses on: Jan 22, 2017, 09:17AM
Also realise that the post Fuchs 70H dates back to the 30's! I have a 1935 70H with the small bell (ie, not a Fuchs) and yes, the flare is the same as the 71, 72 and 73. (The same flare was used on the 83H, but in red brass) So that flare shape certainly originates from a time when "normal" bass trombones were much smaller in concept. The Fuchs seems to have been an out-lier for the time that it was made?


Exactly.... the Fuchs was massive in the 1920s and I think was not too popular at the time... before that the 'new wonder' bass was .547 bore with 8 1/2" bell (like an 88H) so it looks like they back-tracked with the later 70H . The Fuch gained a mystical status over the next few decades and was the template for Bachs Holtons and Conns of the '60s and '70s.... and therefore most of the present generation of basses. I always thought the Fuchs could have been based on a cut down F bass... pure conjecture though.

Chris Stearn
52  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Difference between the Elkhart 70 series basses and 60 series basses on: Jan 22, 2017, 03:43AM
Making a good TIS work requires great skill, which wasn't available in Abilene, certainly just after the move.......

Ah ! actually that is not really true.... I have converted several slides to TIS and I am not the best of craftsmen and building them from new is not a big deal... in it's simplest terms you are not soldering the oversleeves... then having some kind of mechanism to keep everything stable. The late Conn system allowed twist in the slide and led to frequent problems. After the move from Elkhart, Conn would have a bunch of assembly workers in the new factory... they would probably have said that they didn't know how to build such a thing as they had never seen one.... they had previously assembled tubas and marching brass.

Chris Stearn
53  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: pitching the trombone to non musicians on: Jan 22, 2017, 02:23AM
Tell them it's LIKE a saxophone but can play quietly and musically.  Evil

Chris Stearn
54  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Difference between the Elkhart 70 series basses and 60 series basses on: Jan 22, 2017, 02:20AM
Conn ended the Elkhart years with the 71H, 73H, 60H, 62H. The 71 and 73 were developed from the 72H which itself was developed from the post-Fuchs 70H.... tis had gone but bells were as the 70H with bell tuning.
The 60 and 62H were developed from the large bell tis Fuchs 70H at the end of the 1960's. They retained the tis system in stripped down form. When Conn moved south it seems that the 60 and 62 were not continued, probably because of issues with the tis system used... either customer complaints or (more likely) because the people building those slides stayed in Elkhart.

Chris Stearn
55  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bach Artisan Mouthpieces on: Jan 20, 2017, 03:42PM
I have not tried one. Don sent me a pic of it. Could be interesting... I have seen the 5G model.... bore and backbore are very tight.... I have a PHD piece that has a similar bore and backbore.... and obviously made from a Bach blank. I think some NY Bachs may have had these specs, but been designed to be opened out to the customer's requirements.

Chris Stearn
56  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bach Artisan Mouthpieces on: Jan 20, 2017, 05:59AM
I have one Leif-you want it?

That good Don ????

Chris Stearn
57  Creation and Performance / Trombonists / Roger Williams RIP on: Jan 20, 2017, 02:58AM
It is with great sadness that I have to announce the death last night of one of my oldest, dearest friends. He finally lost a long fight with cancer and died peacefully at home. Roger was a London based freelance bass trombonist. He held the chair for the original run of Jesus Christ Superstar and then Starlight Express, the latter for it's entire run.
Outside the West End Roger did just about everything a bass trombone player could do, big bands, London orchestras, the National Theatre , backing pop artists, you name it he did it. He had more optimism and enthusiasm than anyone I have known. He grabbed hold of life every day right to the end.
Most of you here don't know him, but he was the pro you would like to be.
Farewell my old friend,

Chris Stearn
58  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Beginner jumping straight into bass trombone (and more insane questions) on: Jan 19, 2017, 12:54AM
I think your plans are pretty good. Learning the Bb side then the valves makes sense. As a new bass trombone player you would be far better off with smaller bass mouthpieces... I would say get a Bach 2G... on paper it is not a lot smaller then the 1 1/2G, but in reality it is much easier to work with. If you want to go smaller still, the Bach 4G is a fine mouthpiece that can be made to work... I knew a pro player in an orchestra that used one on bass for 20 years !
Some two valve basses are big and require much effort. Winners for you would be the modern Yamaha Bb/F bass, which is really excellent, or the King 6B or 7B double valves and the Benge 290 (?) . The older olds and Reynolds basses were smaller in the bell too, but are actually hard work to play. Do not totally discount instruments from China... the more trusted importers weed out the duds. Okay, put a Chinese King 7B copy up against a Rath R9 (did that while warming up yesterday) and I can hear and feel the difference, and for me, it is very important at a pro level. Players in an elementary stage would detect less difference.

Chris Stearn
59  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Tongue between teeth in low range? on: Jan 17, 2017, 12:06AM
Stefan teaches in Berlin. Our new principal trombone studied with him for two years. He was good before he went, and is better now. Still on a Conn 88H. Still a fine British player.
You can study with Ben in Amsterdam.... very many fine players have.

Chris Stearn
60  Creation and Performance / The Business of Music / Re: Ringling folding, 800ish jobs gone on: Jan 17, 2017, 12:01AM
This topic has continued to run off the rails whilst I slept. I am not impressed with any of those commenting away from the direct issue of a business closing and leading to the loss of employment .
I don't want to shut this, but I will if it runs away again.

Chris Stearn
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