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61  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Conn 73H vs 83H? on: Nov 20, 2016, 11:50PM
83H has same bell flare as 73H but in red brass. Both have long slides. Valves are supposed to be the same but most 83H valves have poor compression.
The 83H is great on paper, but I only ever played ONE decent one. Owned a couple... tried many.... not a good horn.
Played, and owned many good 73H models.

Chris Stearn
62  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: WTT Benge 290 bass on: Nov 20, 2016, 11:38PM
No more comments please. Only offers for trades.

Chris Stearn
63  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: How much does cup diameter affect sound? on: Nov 20, 2016, 12:07PM
The sound concept here in the UK is now quite different from that in the US. What you said in your first post pretty much tells it how it is. I have had the same problem. I find Doug's 116 rim is great for me, but even if I down size the rest to J , J8, I still cannot get the same quality of sound as I do with the classic 1 1/2G size. I am back on the 1 1/2G and love the sound it gives me, but I have to work for facility.... but it is there when I work. I am happy to talk to you about ways of approaching the classic mouthpieces .... send me a PM and I will give you contact details. You can play the size that fits the instrument and concept.... approach is everything.

Chris Stearn
64  Teaching & Learning / History of the Trombone / Re: Performance practice of 19th century trombone concertos in Germany on: Nov 17, 2016, 02:13AM
I think what was considered a wide bore in the mid 19thC had come to be considered small bore by the early 20thC.... but I may be wrong. The German military trombones were larger bore than those popular for orchestra work in the late 19th and early 20thC.

Chris Stearn

I was wrong. Learning all the time !

Chris Stearn
65  Teaching & Learning / History of the Trombone / Re: Performance practice of 19th century trombone concertos in Germany on: Nov 17, 2016, 01:17AM
I was part of a recording that Ian Bousfield did last Sunday... the Sachse concertino... he used a trombone made by Adolphe Sax... very small but with an amazing sound (well, Ian has an amazing sound). The supporting band was made up of 4 french horns, 2 cornets, tenor trombone, bass trombone and tuba. All were early instruments, not replicas. I used my F A Piering Bb trombone... made by the farther of Robert Piering, this is a large bore intrument with a full Krantz. F A Piering was making trombones between 1842 and 1882.
Should be a great recording ! Ian was on top form.

Chris Stearn
66  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: What Is On Your Wish List? on: Nov 13, 2016, 10:49AM
Peace.... and time with family and friends.

Chris Stearn
67  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Yamaha YSL-648 on: Nov 13, 2016, 06:55AM
Any instrument is worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. New prices have rocketed in the last few years and the used market seems to still be adjusting to this... values are often lower than one might expect, but some instruments can do well.

Chris Stearn
68  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / MOVED: On a scale from 1 to 10, How good is slide-O-mix? on: Nov 12, 2016, 11:28AM
This topic has been moved to Accessories.

http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=96098.0
69  Teaching & Learning / History of the Trombone / Re: Remington taper on: Nov 12, 2016, 04:22AM
Only a machinist would actually care, but the Conn taper is NOT a Brown & Sharpe, that's a different amount of taper.  I think there's an official name for it but I can't remember what it is.


Okay, you are the expert Doug. Between the wars and in some cases after, makers seemed to offer different tapers and pipe opening widths... early Conn were different, Olds and King did their own thing and the Holton 169, 185 and 180 had, through periods of production, different tapers. Very confusing. In modern times it seems that a standardisation to Morse has come about.

Chris Stearn
70  Teaching & Learning / History of the Trombone / Re: Remington taper on: Nov 11, 2016, 02:09PM
That taper is a 'Brown and Sharp'.... no such thing as a 'Remington' taper. Used by Conn since at least the 1920's.

Chris Stearn
71  Creation and Performance / Trombonists / Re: Gordon Campbell on Sarah's Music on: Nov 11, 2016, 11:15AM
I took a week off the opera to sit in a big band section with Gordon.... worth every penny  :D :D :D :D

Chris Stearn
72  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: I'm irritated with my mouthpiece... on: Nov 09, 2016, 01:10PM
Save yourself a lot of time and money. Just play what works.
:D :D :D
73  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Conn LP Bass Trombone - 1919 on: Nov 06, 2016, 01:55AM
I pressed the link and got a stream of unwanted ads. Beware.

Chris Stearn
74  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bass Trombone Mouthpiece Recomendations on: Nov 04, 2016, 02:59AM
Being new to bass trombone myself, I find getting the right mouthpiece for the bass is an elusive exercise compared to tenor. Of course I've been playing tenor since the earth's crust began cooling.

I started out with a 1.5G, but didn't like the timbre.  Went to a DW 0 - better, but no quite right.  Then to a DE LB109K8.  That gave me the sound I wanted.  However, I was still a little weak in volume on pedals at A and below (I can raise the roof on  Bb - go figure).  I was fine if it called for mF or less, but recently we've begun rehearsing "Hymn to the Fallen" that calls for Ab and G at a robust F+  (maybe FF in our band).  I just couldn't deliver with the 109 rim and am now trying a 114.  It gives me the volume, but is not very comfortable.   Don't know  It just seems to big for my face in this application.

Experience and practice will solve my problems, but in the mean time I still have to play the part.

If your not on the spot to play a concert, start out with the 1.5G, then practice, practice, practice.  Over time you'll know what you need.

This is a common issue... the sad truth is that there is no substitute for hard work. I have been playing Doug's 116 M for the past few years and now I am back on an old Bach1 1 1/2G that makes the most wonderful sound.... the big mouthpiece is more suited to my face but the old Bach is very special.... my range and endurance is the same on either.... what I can do, I can do. Playing a live orchestra performance of the Star Trek movie tonight... lots of loud and low.... if it works it's down to me. Equipment at a professional level can be complex... for a beginner it is much more simple. For people who do not play all day every day, equipment can be a major frustration...seeming to offer answers and create new problems at the same time. We have to find our own way physically in the end.

Chris Stearn
75  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: The modern tuba need a womans touch! on: Nov 03, 2016, 02:03PM
This is sexist

No... just a Leif trying to be nice...

Lost in translation.

Chris Stearn
76  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bass Trombone Mouthpiece Recomendations on: Nov 03, 2016, 01:25PM
There is no one size of mouthpiece that fits a given player... I play small tenor on a typical small tenor mouthpiece, symphony tenor on around a 5G size, bass on a 1 1/2G at the moment after 4 years on an Elliott 116 M.... and tuba on a tuba mouthpiece... same face at all times.... as do many others. This stinks of argument for arguments sake.
Yes, the best advice is find a good teacher.
If the kid wants a forum based general guide... he has it.

Chris Stearn
77  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bass Trombone Mouthpiece Recomendations on: Nov 03, 2016, 11:42AM
Okay.... I have been teaching at our national conservatory for 25 years and helped many players into the profession. I have helped many with mouthpiece selection.
With someone starting on bass I would almost certainly recommend STARTING on a Bach 1 1/2G.... it is a sensible START point. It may be a lifetime  choice ... change may happen over time but it is a start. That is what the OP asked for.
78  Town Hall / Notices from TTF Members / Re: Ron Barron performs David Fetter's "Situation Update" on Nov 4 on: Nov 02, 2016, 11:56AM
Hey Phil.... have a good one.... wish I was there. I miss Lenox already.

Chris Stearn
79  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Using Spectral Analysis in Characterizing Instrument Differences on: Oct 29, 2016, 11:26AM
There are many members of this forum who contribute for free, information that they usually charge to impart.

Many members of this forum find their expertise questioned by those that might be considered less expert.

It's what a forum is.

Get over it.....

Or duck out.

Chris Stearn
80  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bach Mt. Vernon/New York 5G on: Oct 25, 2016, 01:22AM
In the New York era large bore trombones were pretty rare.  Mouthpieces larger than a 6 1/2 AL were pretty rare.

I have a Mount Vernon 1 1/2 G.  I'd bet you could find a Mount Vernon 5G; although 5GS was developed long after the move from Mount Vernon.

I wouldn't get too hung up on Mount Vernon or New York mouthpieces; there are modern mouthpieces that are every bit as good.  A Faxx is also pretty inexpensive.

Modern mouthpieces that are just as good ??????

what modern do you want to swap your MV  1 1/2G  Evil Evil Evil

Chris Stearn
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