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81  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Coppergate 'intermediate' Bass Trombone Initial impressions on: Jan 03, 2017, 03:27AM
7B clone.
I bought a damaged stock example because I liked the case when I saw one.... I have been using the case with my no 1 horn for over a year including touring in the orchestra truck and it is holding up fine.... No way would I use it to fly with.... my carbon fiber does that job, but my open wrapped Holton fits perfectly and it is very light.
The trombone was easily fixed up damage wise and actually works very well for what it is. I cut the second valve lever down and it is fine. No build issues on mine. Slide is very good. Would I use it for work ? No.... it is not an orchestral sound, but I might swap over parts from an old King bell I have and see how it blows.
I think I was lucky. Buy for a bit more from Wessex and you take the luck element out and get a workable cheap horn.

Chris Stearn
82  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Silver Plated Trombones: Why not well accepted? on: Jan 03, 2017, 03:09AM
This was my point earlier.  We as trombonists literally have finest tuned sensing organs to this type of thing.  Literally.  Machines can certainly show one or two types of resonance, db loss, what have you, but we have been perfecting our minds ear to hear and fine tuning exactly all of these variables for years upon years to achieve our outcome.  How many different variables are we accounting for when we adjust to a big band, adjust to a hall, adjust our tone to get a brighter or darker sound?  Possibly hundreds.  I don't know.  I don't care.  All I know is by the time we train our machines to account for every since aspect of every possible variable that we as human beings master throughout the course of one musical phrase, will we really be better off?  This is my beef with this stuff.  We're humans, we make music.  We're good at it.  Or we're not, and then we practice.  Nowhere does this psuedo-science mumbo-jumbo every come into into play when we're on that path. 

Sorry if I offend.  I'm sure this discussion has it's merits and I hope all parties involved find what they're looking to achieve. If this type of measurement eventually helps someone make music, then I'll put my foot in my mouth.  I just have problems wasting time on something like this when all it takes to determine whether a horn sounds good is to play it. 

Also....

Every gold plated horn I've played also is fantastic. Sam's is wonderful, so is Ed Neumeister's - he has a gold plated Silversonic 3b. 


YEEEEESSSS !!!!!

Chris Stearn
83  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Brass vs. Nickel Slides: Spectral Comparison on: Jan 03, 2017, 03:06AM
Been there seen it, done it....
Four years helping Mick Rath testing different materials, treatments etc. Having the side builder change outer tubes on the same slide... doing blind tests... groups of listeners.... This test of yours is a non-starter as you have slides from two different makers.... variables unlimited there... inners may have more impact than outers....
Rath is sitting on a pile of information.... that's why he is an expert builder....

Chris Stearn
84  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Silver Plated Trombones: Why not well accepted? on: Jan 01, 2017, 05:12AM
Original question.....
Well, the world is a strange quirky place... but fashion and cost usually lurk behind much of the material world...so...
Lacquering of brass instruments came in around 20's/30's... new thing... looked nice... you could see the different metals.. and it was CHEAP !!! Lacquer became popular...especially on student instruments... when people up-graded they would stick with what they knew... or what was cheaper. Silver on a trumpet was and is, not such a big price hike as on a trombone. Or it is all simply random, which is just as likely. Does it matter ? Seems to for some....
85  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: My 1st Euphonium! B&H Imperial on: Jan 01, 2017, 01:22AM
I was lucky enough to find an old Gardinelli mouthpiece... looks like a Helleburg on the outside... screw rim... about 5G at the rim but very, very deep... deeper than a Bach 1G. Works fantastically.
86  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: My 1st Euphonium! B&H Imperial on: Dec 31, 2016, 11:49AM
These old ones are better in tune than many of the more modern instruments, but you do have to learn to lip notes in tune in a way you don't on the trombone.

Chris Stearn
87  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Sliver Plated Trombones: Why not well accepted? on: Dec 31, 2016, 11:46AM
I guess some people are not able to recognize facetiousness and playfulness, but I can guarantee you one thing: if this topic on the forum we're all about how to permanently deaden your instrument, it would not be very popular, right? It would be satire! I cannot recall encountering a brass player who was seeking an unresponsive instrument, a stuffy instrument, one that caused harder work. You also have to remember, earlier in the comments, that many were challenging even the notion that lacquer does anything detectable to the instrument, so at least someone (me) found one little piece of research that suggests the intuitively obvious. After all, acoustical engineers use paint for sound deadening on hard reflective materials.

People here don't seem to get your jovial side... your comments seem unvarnished if not unlacquered....

Chris Stearn
88  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: Selmer 23 K mortified serial 3368 on: Dec 31, 2016, 10:32AM
Mortified ???? Is that an upset setup ??

Chris Stearn
89  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS conn bass trombone model 73h 1969 on: Dec 29, 2016, 05:10AM
Steve... I've bought from German in the past and found him good to deal with.

Chris Stearn
90  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: My 1st Euphonium! B&H Imperial on: Dec 29, 2016, 05:08AM
Looks like quite an old one.... may have been originally high-pitch looking at the main tuning slide. Almost certain to be medium size shank. I have a mature example from the 1930's... they are great !!

Chris Stearn
91  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Carrie Fisher (Princess Leia) has passed away. on: Dec 27, 2016, 01:53PM
Wasn't she in some sort of movie that Denis Wick played on the soundtrack to?
I guess that if she appeared with Denis Wick, that might sort of make her notable?

True indeed.... I remember her turning up the the sound track recordings.... she must have liked Denis Wick... Harrison Ford was also in the playback room... hmmm..

Chris Stearn
92  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: All Round Schilke 59-60 Sized Bass Trombone Mouthpiece on: Dec 27, 2016, 07:21AM
Hey.... I've been in both groups... and I still have time to waste on the forum... whichever one I am in.

Consistent.

Chris Stearn.
93  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bach screw rim mouthpieces on: Dec 25, 2016, 04:03AM
I've seen screw rim mouthpieces from NY and MV eras... Bob Hughes has a 2G with 3 rims.

Chris Stearn.
94  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Alto trombone recommendations on: Dec 24, 2016, 01:27PM
The player is mostly responsible for the sound... did think that that Lindberg guy makes a bad sound ?? I thought he sounded pretty wonderful on his Conn. Most of the best alto playing I have heard was on a Latzch model Khune... best alto out there in the 50's, 60's and 70's..  find one if you can... and be a world class player or it will eat you for breakfast.

Chris Stearn
95  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: All Round Schilke 59-60 Sized Bass Trombone Mouthpiece on: Dec 24, 2016, 09:52AM
Richard Henry sounds pretty good on his.

Indeed... just not too popular around here... lots of people recommend it... but nobody seems to play on it.  Strange.

Chris Stearn
96  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Minick-adjusted Bass on: Dec 24, 2016, 02:43AM
Two things to note here... Minick's work on this instrument is valve levers and wrap on the second valve... not instrument changing stuff... BUT... someone way back thought it was worth spending Minick level money on this horn.... it pretty much HAS to be good.
Second... it's a USA bell... I have blown quite a few really good ones... better than Elkhart marked ones... at least in 73H form.
I bet that is a nice horn... with a nice patina.

Chris Stearn
97  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS ALMONT MOUTHPIECE 1200 on: Dec 24, 2016, 02:18AM
DJ finds the unfindable !!!  Amazed Amazed Amazed

Chris Stearn
98  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: All Round Schilke 59-60 Sized Bass Trombone Mouthpiece on: Dec 23, 2016, 04:26PM
Yes I suppose you're right. Glad he's doing well with the 59.

'bout time somebody did.
99  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: All Round Schilke 59-60 Sized Bass Trombone Mouthpiece on: Dec 23, 2016, 01:17PM
Well Bill, I suppose this time as a percentage of Ethan's life would be like 5 years for me...
100  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Alto trombone recommendations on: Dec 22, 2016, 01:41PM
I think I remember you mentioning that in an earlier post; forgive me if I'm forgetting something you have said previously. I wonder if there is some other underlying correlation that would cause that? Perhaps older players may be on Conns because that is what they purchased 10-20 years ago before some of these boutique alternatives came about. They are more in tune because they are more seasoned players, particularly on alto. Or something to that effect. Or, for that matter, if those that owned Conns focused much more on intonation than other players because they are aware that the 36 and 34 have some quirky spots.  Just guessing though!

Some of the custom brands may well be better instruments if people played them enough. What I am saying is that as a pick it up and make it work instrument, the Conn seems to do the trick. A lot of young players were in these auditions. The problem is that people don't want to get this sort of answer. It doesn't fit accepted 'wisdom'. Pay more... get better....

Chris Stearn
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