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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Jazz Bass Trombone on: Today at 02:35 AM
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Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot and decide that we need three or four different bass trombones where one is fine.
That is true. 


 Sing it! Pant But it is so much fun with a new horn!
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Holton Monster valve on: Yesterday at 02:40 AM
I think it is an interesting construction, how did it play? If the F side works better that the Bb side it should be very useful on some gigs.  :)
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Jazz Bass Trombone on: Jul 21, 2017, 02:32PM
Yes Duo Gravis is a good choice, nice bite, a good horn I do hate the way it is made with the bar on the wrong side of the trigger, that can be fixed.
When I play double trigger (I have 4 singel trigger basses) I play Kanstul dependant, very light for a double bass, also a good bite.
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Visiting the Wessex USA store-7/21/2017 on: Jul 21, 2017, 02:25PM
Check the slide action on the contrabass bone in F.
A friend wants to know 😉

Mike
There are two Wessex contrabass trombones in F around here in Stockholm, bouth have excellent slides.
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Markus Leuchter/Brass Ark Fuchs Collaboration on: Jul 20, 2017, 02:55AM
Beautiful!
6  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: "Letter M" on: Jul 16, 2017, 07:36AM
 :)
It is all about balance.
Thank you!
7  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: "Letter M" on: Jul 16, 2017, 06:00AM

"M", "P", spitting a seed out of one's mouth...they all depend on the mouth in question. Thick lips/thin lips, big teeth/small teeth, big tongue/small tongue...whatever. A balance must be found...or perhaps better, a set of balances through the ranges...between the essentially non-adjustable upper lip (It can only roll, and not very far) and the incredibly adjustable (with the aid of the movable jaw) lower lip. It's all very individual.

This is where freebuzzing can be very useful. With practice, one can freebuzz with the lower lip in any number of positions vis-á-vis the upper lip...further back, further forward, etc...through particular registers and volumes, but only a few of these positions can be put into a m'pce or playing the horn with good results through manyregisters and volumes.

S.

Absolutely!
8  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: "Letter M" on: Jul 16, 2017, 05:55AM
I have been practising Phil Teelys book for some time now. His advice "try to keep the "M" all the way down" All the way down means the lowest you can sound. Most of us are used the shift around form pedal E or D, me to. I have now been practising down to may be double pedal G without shift, trying to keep the "M".

You know what!

My "M" has changed! Not only in the low!

Another thing that have happend ios that Sam:s "Buzz on and off" Works like a charm!
I found the "M" that is really naturall for me. After 65 years of playing! After mor that 50 years playing proffesional!

There are many kinds of "M". Not all works.
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Trombonium, tenor horn, or baritone horn? on: Jul 15, 2017, 01:14AM
The Bydlo solo is best played on euphonium if there is no French Bass tuba around, because the euphonium is that what come closest in sound. Not the F tube and certainly not the CC tuba.

Mahler 7. In an orchestra playing on period instruments the German tenor horn, as it was in Mahlers time, is the right instrument. (actually it is not the same instrument today) In the modern orchestra that instrument would be out of place.

Years ago in the 60th I played sackbut in a concert when the orchestra used modern instruments, but the trombones was using sackbuts. For some odd reason. Did it work? Have a guess.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Trombonium, tenor horn, or baritone horn? on: Jul 14, 2017, 09:22PM
I donĻt think Mahler ever heard an euphonium.
The trombone and tuba in that time did not have the sound of modern trombones used to today when playing Mahler, the euphonium is probably the instrument that does the job best in the modern orchestra, and it is most often played by a trombone player. At least in Europe.
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Trombonium, tenor horn, or baritone horn? on: Jul 14, 2017, 08:41AM
British brass band call the Eb horn Tenor horn. The medium size Bb horn is a baritone. The large Bb horn is an euphonium, the BBb bass is one octave lower so let this out of the discousion.

In Germany the tenor horn is a Bb horn, so is the baryton but with a larger bore.

In Sweden the tenor is in Bb when playing brass band and Eb when playing wind orchestra, in the military band the baryton is the same instrument as the brass band euphonium, not same as the brass band baritone.

Conplicated? Well it can be worse, so let us stop there.

Trombonium is an uppright valve trombone, sounds like a valve trombonem, not like tenor,baritone,baryton or euphonium.   :)
12  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Blomstedt sings Bruckner on: Jul 14, 2017, 08:19AM
Herbert Blomstedt is fantastic! I love him!
A beautiful person.

He is 90 years old, his brain is sparkling with enrgy and creativitet. Maestro! Good!
13  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: "Letter M" on: Jul 13, 2017, 01:10AM
 
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I agree that without additional description just saying "like saying M" can be problematic. I also can't really say how it's different for folks in Sweden or countries other than the U.S., but it seems to be useful in my neck of the woods.
In a teaching situation the "M" can be used with succes. Or not. It is never enough though. I am sure even in USA there are many ways to say "M", well actually I know there are.
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Ultimately we can reduce all trombone instruction down to the advice that it's better to get someone to show you in person. Who was it who said "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture?" Why not simply lock all the content boards here and just make everything about the Chit Chat section if we're not going to do our best to try to describe into words something that is challenging, if not impossible to do?
Sure. People can learn to drive a car by the self to. That is not a good reason to not talking and discous stuff like "M" and other metaphores.

"Just do it" may be used in a situation. Sometimes doing an exercise can help even if we do not understand why.

Letter "P" may also be usefull in some situations. Students have so many different attidudes and problems.
I donīt think the "P" should be used as a "standard" method without caution. Neither do I think the "M" should be used without caution.

Ostranders methods books are usefull, I did play lots of Ostrander about 50 years ago. Good stuff. I used it for many students.
I do have an issue with his possions for the F VALVE when the F is on a good first position he tell the low Eb is on "flatted 3rd". Leif have you noticed how so may players play low Eb sharp? Or play in tube with the slide to short and lipping down? I believe in their mind they think flatted 3rd so losng that they get accostumed to the sharp position. I like Lew Gillis #4 for low Eb.
 
 As usual look out for the miss spelling in my posts.


[fixed quotes but not spelling...]
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: If you could have only 3 horns... on: Jul 11, 2017, 01:25AM
Well, only three horns means that you can only play 3 kinds, so if I play sackbut, euphonium, tuba, small tenor, medium tenor, large bore tenor, bass trombone and contrabass I have to decide what to talk about. I chose small tenor, large tenor and bass.

Who does have experience enough to make the best choice?
I havenīt really. I have owned more horns the I can count, Mostly King Conn Bach Yamaha and some others that are not important to name.

If I could only have 3 horns a good Conn 6H, a not vintage but good Conn 88 and vintage but good Conn 62.
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: What do you think on vintage (50's to 70's) to recent ones? on: Jul 11, 2017, 01:12AM
Some vintage horns are great, some arenīt. Most of the "vintage horns" are gone. I hade some chanses to try many old horns a cuple of times, some of them was dogs, impossible to use.
That could have lots of reasons, if a horn is full of old junk it is not good, and the junk in the horn does have an effect on the intonation.
My favorit horn is made 1954, A Bach 46, The slide is worn, the valve is in its original state very good. Some old valves has never been cleaned, so the bore is actually changed. The old junk does get very hard and impossible to clean out.
I do believe that some vintage instruments was very good from the start, some are still good, some will never be good again.
As for new horns, today most horns are acctually quite good, even some chep ones, the qualite does not show until some years get by, but the Yamaha 321 that I bought in 1985 as it was so good, did actually prove that the quality of some Yamaha was great. Some newer Bach instrumeny did not show the same quality. All trombones does need fine tuning with the hand slide when playing. The Bach from 1954 has no more intonation issues then My Kanstul from 2014.
16  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Another rec. to get in shape for a music camp soon. Comments please! on: Jul 10, 2017, 09:58AM
Starting with the nice things. You do play in tune. Mostly, witch is good.
You keep up with piano, rythmicly. Your phrasing is good.

The sound is not the best I heard from you.

Why do you play with that slow vibrato? I donīt think it works.
I can think of three ways, either no vibrato, or a late vibrato, or a singing like vibrato, faster and more even. Like a cello?

Air support.
17  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: "Letter M" on: Jul 09, 2017, 01:35AM
I think we are comming to an agreement?
The letter M can be said in so many ways, it merrely say that the lips do touch, and it is still not enough since that can be done in different ways also.

I do wonder about Ghitallas advice, Maybe what he said is not to be taken letterly?
I donīt know, he was a really bad trumpeter though.
18  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Advices on my embouchure formation on: Jul 08, 2017, 10:27AM
And, if you donīt free buzz you should be awere about the fact that many of the best brass musicians in the world donīt free buzz at all.

There are no method that is for everybody.
19  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Is it okay to puff your cheeks when you play? on: Jul 08, 2017, 02:46AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYrZ9YvVooM
If it sounds good it is ok to puff your cheeks when playing any brass intruments.
 
Actually sometimes the puffing can be a good way to find your corners.
20  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: "Letter M" on: Jul 07, 2017, 08:21AM
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Without the trumpet or mouthpiece, roll the in as if saying the letter "m", if this  is done correctly, no red part of the lips should show.
Maybe that's  fair generalization but maybe it doesn't account for wide variety of lips among people.

If I look at a picture of Wynton Marsalis, with his trumpet in place, his upper lip is like that but his lower lip has a lot of red showing. He's got more red lower lip showing than I have in two lips.

I tried looking for a similar picture of Ghitalla playing but couldn't find a clear one.



Yes, there are many methods, many of them does not fit everybody.
There are also good players who place their mpc differently.
But he describes the "M" in a way that you can understand. Not that it is a common way to say "M". And, many players do not play like that.
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