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1  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Developing centred notes on: Apr 24, 2017, 10:50AM
Leif you have a beautiful sound. Because you have been listening so much to good sounds, that is why you have a good consept.
2  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: I recorded with my C-trombone, please comment :-) on: Apr 20, 2017, 07:17AM
Hi Tom. I hear to much tongue, in the begining and often the end of tones. Pratice more air attacks, the toungue should never be necceary to start a tone, it just make the articualtion more clear, smoth i this music. Also practise ending tones' just stopping the air. Without collapsing the embouchure. Six tones. Just like some hornplayers you start the phrases soft a little weak, and with a crescendo, I guess you like it the way, well, are you sure about that? May it is because of the small bore that you are a bit unfamilar with? The sound can be more open I think. This romantic music could use a little vibrato In my oppinion, try it with a small jaw vibrato. In the last part of the longer tones.(Well it is called lip vibrato, it isnīt really, as the lip trills are not really lip trills either.) Sometimes your attack is a tad early, listen to that in the first take.

Wery nice playing Tom, you do play the music with much respect (maybe to much?) good in tune, you do make a good job of matching the prerecorded keyboard, you know the music well, the recording sounds good.

Well done!
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Good MP for switching between bass and tenor on: Apr 17, 2017, 08:24AM
It is not really helping you to know what I do, but I play bass trombone on a mpc like 1 1/G large tenor like 5G small tenor on like 11C tuba on like 18.

That is about typically for many doublers.
I have tried to find short cuts, but for me there is non.
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Good MP for switching between bass and tenor on: Apr 17, 2017, 03:01AM
It depends on how good bass trombone and how tenor trombone you want to play. It is possible to play a basstrombone with a 4G, and possible to play a tenor on the same mpc. It will not be the bass trombone sound, but it may work in many playing situations. Not all. There are some strong players using 4G on tenor. Not many. One solution is to use the same rim on different underpart, works for some. The best doublers use different mouthpieces all together, using more more practising hours.
5  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Where do you play high D? on: Apr 17, 2017, 02:42AM
Yup it's technically a sharp 3rd because D is the 11th harmonic of Ab, not A, but given that the 11th harmonic is virtually a quarter tone flat, it's pretty much exactly in the middle.

Thatīs right. In Europe itīs flat 2nd in USA sharp 3rd, the same thing really. If you do messure it is a tad closer to 2nd, does not matter, it is in the middle.
(Like low Eb on a attachment is known as flat 3rd or sharp 4th. Closer to open 3rd though, one reason for students (and som pro) to play it sharp.)

On some horns the D is good on first, some horns better on b2 (#3) some on 4, and some horns not at all.
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Sackbut questions/reviews on: Apr 13, 2017, 02:54AM
I donīt know if it was recorded, I will try to find out.
7  Teaching & Learning / History of the Trombone / Re: C-trombone on: Apr 12, 2017, 03:30AM
I wonder why the trombone is in Bb? C is more logical? Was the old sackbut's in Bb too?

Leif

Why would they build trombones in Bb F Eb in 1500?

Good question. The books in my library tell that the ordinay sackbut (actually called trombnoe) was tuned to A.
Bass in E or D, alto In E or D. That is why we often play reanasance musi in 465, the Bb is the an A.
So I play my bass ackbut tuned to modern D and play it as being in Eb.


8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Alto horn mpc on Alto tormbone? on: Apr 11, 2017, 10:57AM
There can be lots of different reasons for playing alto. You can like the alto - tenor - bass sound when the three horns has sounds that fit the range, then the alto can be played with a small mpc. Like the 15E or like Tomas used resently a 12E. Those mouthpieces are smaller most small tenor pieces. (I heard Tomas on alto years ago, beautiful, a real alto sound)
another reason to play alto is to get away with a taxing part that should be played soft and high. You may use a tenor piece, the alot will still make it easier to cut the part.
Or you get told by the conductor to play alto, you do not want to spoil you tenor embouchure (whatever that is) so you use a tenor mpc.
Today many alto trombone are as large as a medium tenor. As Doug said, a lead part in a bigband is played with a tenor and actually most often higher then the "alto parts" in the orchestra.
Some players use small tenors for the "alto" parts. Often sound very nice.



Tomas play nice alto, Branimir Slokar play beautiful alto. But that is not allways the case. Many I often prefer the part being played on tenor. 
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Sackbut questions/reviews on: Apr 11, 2017, 02:47AM

This last sunday, two days ago I particpated in a concert i Uppsala Domkyrka, Cavallis Missa pro Defunctis a Rqeuiem, organ strings doubble chorus and four sackbuts. Beautiful music, beautifully sang and played.
The second sackbut played a Weessex tenor. A very good player. He did sound very good on that horn.
The first sackbut played an Meinl & Lauber alto, he have a student playing the Nartis, he tested it and is pleased by it. The sound from trombones is very much depending on the performer. A good player can make beautiful sound from a chep horn, a not so good player can make a very expenicve horn sound chep.
Sorry guys, I do take your critics with a big spoon of salt.

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I have a student with a Nartiss, and I couldn't recommend buying it if it cost half what it does.  (he bought it before he came to me.)  I haven't seen a Wessex in person, but based on photos and what I've heard from a couple of colleagues, they're also not worth the brass they're made of aas sackbuts, although they may be OK as "trombonelets".
10  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: flutter tongue on pedal E on: Apr 11, 2017, 01:56AM
I can't hit double pedals on my tenor or bass, but if I am playing my alto (Conn 36H) I can hit double pedal Eb.  Go figure.

Why do you think that is strange? It is a forth higher. But donīt worry about the double pedals, so far it is not written in your part.
11  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: 1st trombone bass trombone on: Apr 11, 2017, 01:51AM
It can sound good in a windensemble with only one trombone to use a bass trombone if you can get a proper sound.
Holton 183 is a very good bass, a 9 inch bell does not make it less bass trombone. I would not play that horn with a tenor mpc thought.
12  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: flutter tongue on pedal E on: Apr 10, 2017, 10:10AM
The funny thing is that I find it less difficult to do flutter tongue pedal F on a 500 bore 11C than on the bass.
A loud pedal F allready sounds like a flutter tongue. Dont worry!
13  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: flutter tongue on pedal E on: Apr 08, 2017, 04:05AM
You can do it. Sing with a rolling R with the tip of the tongue ponting up to the roof (gommen) in the mouth, lower your low jaw. Not a hard R but an R with lots of air in the sound. It is actually not that difficult. Good luck.
14  Creation and Performance / Trombonists / Re: My tribute to George Roberts on: Apr 07, 2017, 10:25AM
Nice Leif!

I did listen to that song with GR so many times, every time I enjoy it so much. I do enjoy your sound to Leif!
15  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: flutter tongue on pedal E on: Apr 07, 2017, 10:15AM
I tried it .Hated it. That is one ugly*** sound!!!
Bob Riddle

Ugly must be what is wanted.

I did try it on my tenor sackbut with a bore like 450, well it does work, the tip of the tongue up on the roof in the mouth. But it does sound more like an accident then anything else.

Funny how people put so many hours to practice and finding good instruments to be able to play beautiful music. And then get paid to make ugly sounds. I have done that so many times. :(
16  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: flutter tongue on pedal E on: Apr 07, 2017, 02:23AM
Ha ha there you are playing nutty music! Hi I have done that alot. The flutter tongue is not really needed since the composer wont know if you do flutter or not. The long tones is no problem, just find out when to breath, the multiphonics, sing any tone or try find an interesting one. The gliss from contra E to G will not be a problem for you I dont think. Good tip, try to have fun! :)
17  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Developing lower pedal tones on bass trombone on: Apr 05, 2017, 07:47AM
If you want to becomme good on the bass you have to spend a lot of time on the horn, not only the pedals but the whole range. Most important range, that is about 3 1/2 octave, good players have more.

Long tones, keep strikt time, crescendo diminuendo in thre bars slow tempo. play arpegios in low range as you do in high range, broken chords, work on tonguing, scales, tunes you know etc.

If you want to be good in the low range you have to play in the low range. A lot.

Many student new to the bass blow the air to fast. Slow warm air is good. Does not the low tones need a lot of air? Yes, but not forced air. Slow warm air makes you run out of air even when you don feel like you are blowing much, forced air does feel like you are blowing lots of air but does not make the low tones speak.

A common misstake is to open the aperture in lips to much. Try to imageing the feeling in your mouth of a hot potato. Big space in the mouth.
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Sackbut questions/reviews on: Apr 05, 2017, 07:22AM
What is a real sackbut! When is a instrument bad? If we are talking about intonation, the "real" sackbuts I played, meaning not copies, but trombones made in the 16th and 17th centuary, they all intonatate very different from modern trombones, and more, very different from modern "real" sackbuts, s.c. good copies.
The B&M/Giardinelli "sackbut is a pretty good horn to play, it is not really a sackbut though, it has a lead pipe and a conical gooseneck, that is why it is so good for playing, Does it sound like a sackbut? Not if you ask me. I did play that horn som years in the 70th, yes it sound nice and have good intonation. But it is fake.
There is some talk about the Finke horns, I played Finke bass Eb in the 60th, well that was the sackbut you could get by then. Was it good or bad? Well there was nothing to compare with, I used it in proffesionell occasions.
When you talk about Finke, do you talk about those first copies or the late copies made in 2015?
Whery different!

About "hackbuts", some time they was used by proplayers I know. The problem with hackbuts is not the thicknes in the bell as much as the profile of bell, the gooseneck and the leadpipe.

Wery different from "real" sackbuts? Not really. I say "real" sackbuts are most often wery different from the original sackbuts, and the original sackbuts do differe from each other wery much.
Think about this: most sackbuts are gone! We only have a few original sackbuts to copy. I played a bass made in around 1637, fantastc horn. Not anything like any of the best "real" sackbuts made today.

Sorry about that.

If you want to "hack around" to feel what sackbut playing is about, a well "hacked" hackbut can be used as a start until the real thing comes along.

The most important is how you play the music. That is the big deal when it comes to music of all times.
19  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Advice on Hitting High Notes? on: Mar 26, 2017, 02:56AM
It's times like this that I'm glad that I have more high notes than I know what to do with..  :)

Yea  I have a high octave that I really donīt need. The trubble is that sometimes when I do need some high tones they are not there.  :D
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: King H.N. White 1901 Trombone with Blessing Scholastic Slide on: Mar 20, 2017, 03:58AM
1200$?  In short NO.

You can get a trombone for that money.
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