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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Playing flat because of lead pipe adapter on: Feb 21, 2017, 02:53AM
I guess you allready had someone else playing the horn?

tuning slide in a 'normal' spot.

For me and many others all the way in. First pos half inch away from the bumper.

Some Bach trombones are flatt, many Bach trombones in Sweden are cut.
2  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Triple tonguing - why? on: Feb 19, 2017, 02:18AM
She is good, though the music doesn't get sold without lots of beer...

Well the music is for selling lots of beer. :D
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Playing flat because of lead pipe adapter on: Feb 18, 2017, 08:07AM
" I know many players who've had their tuning slides cut with bad results. It takes more work but I'd have the tuning slide receivers cut about 1/8 of an inch and then have the tuning slide legs cut the same amount. Just my 2 cents. "

That is how you cut a tuningslide, you cut 4 parts, recivers and tuningslide legs, no other way to do it.
Works everytime.

Have you tried another leadpipe? I am sure it is possible to remove that lead pipe. I do believe that pipe adapter can make the horn so flatt that you could possible notice at all. Must be something else.
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Richard Smith, still nutty on: Feb 15, 2017, 08:05AM
I think I will link this discousion to Richard Smith, I am sure he will enjoy it!
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Richard Smith, still nutty on: Feb 14, 2017, 01:07PM
It is pure semantics (terminology) and not relevant to the discussion, but I do not believe in a standing wave having any real existence.  A standing wave is a graphical representation of the superposition of multiple moving waves - it isn't real.  It exists only when you draw it. 

We now return you to your regularly scheduled argument. 

No that is not right, the standing does exist and is proved many times.
I know that you donīt belive in standing waves, but there is actually no other way to explane how brass instruments work.
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Richard Smith, still nutty on: Feb 14, 2017, 08:19AM
I think that the air moves so slowly through the horn, relative to the sound wave, that the sound wave sees the air as essentially stationary. 

The airflow makes the lips vibrate. The vibrating lips + trombone make the standing wave. The standing wave is in fact standing, the noodes and antinoodes stay in their positions as long as play a certain tone, at the bell the standing wave accelerates to a moving sound wave. The airflow does move through the horn in normal playing, but that is not making the sound. After the airflow makes the lips vibrate, it is nothing but debri.

When Richard Smith play the trombone with his "demo mpc" no air goes inte the trombone, the diaphragm vibrates the vibration + trombone make the standing wave.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Richard Smith, still nutty on: Feb 14, 2017, 04:20AM
Richard showed this to me 1985, I made my own "special mouthpiece" that could be used to play trombone with no air passing through the trombone.
The feedbac from the vibrating air column in the trombone still works, the lip do wibrate in the trombones favorit frequencies.
Of corse he had lots of fun making this video! He did not seriously think this was a way to play other the for fun!

Yes you can make a trombone sound with a small loudspeaker (mice) connected to the trombone, yeas it has to be absolutelly airtight. This was done at the Royal Institute of Technology in the 70s.

I donīt see that the horrible sound he made has anything to do with this, he did a good demonstation.
Tims demonstration say something too, but that is not the same story.

The plastic bag is actually a fun idea, if you like to this demonstration with the "demo mpc" you can first play with a normal mpc and the plastic bag taped to the horn, everybody can see the bag grow when the air fills it, when using the "demo mpc" everybody can see that even if the trombone can be played like a trombone, the bag will not move or change.
8  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: "Letter M" on: Feb 14, 2017, 03:26AM
If you do this with your student in front of you, it will be very easy to tell whether he uses the right "M". It is not a big discussion, it is quite visible, while other things, not so visible (tongiung and position of the tongue) are not so easy diagnose and correct.

Absolutelly true.

But when using the "M" metafor in a seminar or a book the situation is different.

My situation is different since I donīt teach beginners any more (I am 73 years old  this year) but sometimes I meet older players who still compress their lips together, thinking "M". "That is what xxxx said in a seminar".
9  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: "Letter M" on: Feb 14, 2017, 01:36AM
In the US, M (for most students I work with) is a pretty tame consonant, with most of them just putting the lips together with no pressure.

Maybe a side effect of bad pronunciation? Not sure, but it's a good way to get younger students to get the concept of having the chops together but not squeezed.

I thought of that. I think "Letter M" is different from "Bokstaven M" (Swedish).

As the "Tu" Tha" "Do" and more is different in different languages.

Yes maybe "P" could work sometimes.?
10  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / "Letter M" on: Feb 13, 2017, 02:24AM
Very often the "letter M" is used to explain the formation of the lips to form an embouchure.

What letter M?

How many ways are there to say M? Many, And more, different for different language.

What is gained from the "letter M"? The lips meet. The same way as they meet when you are playing?

Maybe if you are lucky. Swedes ofte say mmm with the lips pressed together, witch is actually a common problem for

many students, to much compression between the lips.

Also wery often students in Sweden put the lower lip in fron of the upper lip when say mmm or turn one or two lips

inwards, but can not play like that.

11  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Tongue between teeth on: Feb 12, 2017, 09:26AM
If it ain't broken, don't fix it. If it doesn't negatively affect your endurance or tongiung why change? If it sounds OK, don't go overanalysing stuff, just play.

Yes. What he said.
12  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: How should an alto trombone sound? on: Feb 09, 2017, 01:57AM
How should an alto sound? In tune, with good time and as good sound as possible.

It is not how it turns out all the time.
13  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Caruso Six notes, Intervals and Harmonics on: Feb 09, 2017, 01:43AM
Thanks Sam, great! Lately I've tried to focus on my bad timing and tried to remember my teachers words, have the eight or sixteen notes going on back in the head when playing. No matter what we play. I think you told you do that all the time when you practice? I think I have to shape up and start doing it so it's more automatic. I throw the metronome.


Yes the six notes are great! But I use the metronome a lot, I donīt remember all tempos by heart, so I use the metronom when I am trying to learn new music. Donīt throw it!
14  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Heresy! Pure Heresy! on: Feb 01, 2017, 02:54PM
He is great. What is it that you wonder about?
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Latzsch mouthpieces. on: Jan 28, 2017, 03:38AM
Dillon donīt have all the Latzsch rims.
You can get very much info from Latzsch, a very good firm with long time exerience of brass making.
For only bass trombone they have a very large number of rims.
I have very fast tested a bassmouthpiece, that one had a very nice rim, no cutter.
I am sure you can find many rims you would like. Be prepared to pay some money.

Why Latzsch? 

Today there so many good mouthpieces around, you cant try the all, some are good for me and some are good for you.
16  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: sight reading distant keys on: Jan 23, 2017, 02:06AM
Just play scales. Still sightread, but you have to be intimately familiar with those scales.

17  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Haven't Played since Middle School! on: Jan 23, 2017, 02:05AM
My first trombone that was own by me!
Actually a good instrument!
The can be a real joy!

The two tone third valve was standard in the Swedish brass instrument in late 18th and early 19th centuary, I have a very nice "tenor basun" =
valve trombone that really is shame that it is not played by me. Ahlberg Ohlsson.
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Hackbut Theory: Given the cut bell, which features are most important to you? on: Jan 19, 2017, 10:20AM
Lets say that you have a 500 bore slide, you take out the leadpipe, you use a 500 bore tube that can attach to the slide, u bend it where the tuning slide could be, make connection to a very small trombone bell that is cut down in size. Woila you have a hackbut that maybe works!
It is to big to be a tenor, but to be used as a bass. That was done sometimes, but in those days it was more often a cut down E bass to be a A tenorbass. The bending can be done if you fill the pipe with lead. Complicated? Well it is actually more easy and not that more expensive to buy a sackbut replica. The sackbutt mpc;s are not expensive, yes you can make your own, that will probably be more expencive since a lot of misstakes are going to be done. 

The first sackbuts that Finke built was with todays standard horrible. The newer ones are much better.
19  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Trombone : shake or lip trill? on: Jan 17, 2017, 08:28AM
With the chin.
20  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Tight lips on: Jan 17, 2017, 02:58AM
It's not an exercise, it's a concept and feeling.  You should not be pinching in ANY way or trying to make a buzz in whatever way is not letting air through.

The whole point is that the air MUST be able to pass through freely.  Otherwise it stops and you get no vibration and no sound.  When you start to understand the balance between freely blowing and getting a vibration going, then you'll be at a good starting point.  NEVER force air through, it should always flow through freely.  Pull your bottom lip in and blow down - with enough air flow, your top lip will start to vibrate and then you'll understand.

For a low placement player, the sensation of blowing downward is actually pretty much the same.  It goes up in the mouthpiece, but the feeling is not really different.

Thank you!
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