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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: King H.N. White 1901 Trombone with Blessing Scholastic Slide on: Mar 20, 2017, 03:58AM
1200$?  In short NO.

You can get a trombone for that money.
2  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Conn or Holton as main bass trombone? on: Mar 10, 2017, 05:02AM
I like both, your sound is there, but I like how come through more on the Conn
But the Holton may be a more "modern" bass trombone sound?
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: What DOES a "pro" horn bring to the table? on: Mar 09, 2017, 01:44AM
The pro horn give you a bigger hole in your pocket. :)

Well, joke aside, the best student horns are better then the worst pro horn.

If you lika a horn, it does not matter if it is a student or pro horn.

Some of the student horns are surpricelly good.
4  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Tongue between teeth in low range? on: Mar 07, 2017, 12:02AM
Tim! You are right!
Very good! Good!
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Help! Dented tuning slide- everything I play is flat?? on: Mar 06, 2017, 03:27PM
But also in theory, that same dent should make some notes flat and other notes sharp.

His problem seems to be all notes flat, so that doesn't sound like a dent. 
right so. Must be some other reason.
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Best Slide Cream? on: Mar 06, 2017, 02:37AM
 :) funny enough there is so many different opinions about slide lubs, that I am sure it something to do with the saliva. To me the absolutelly worst i SOM and Rapid  comfort.
The best for me is trombotine. Bach cream is good. Conn cream is good.
If the Bach cream is good for you use it.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Help! Dented tuning slide- everything I play is flat?? on: Mar 06, 2017, 02:23AM
A dent in a tuning slide wouldn't cause a horn to play flat. In essence, it makes the horn smaller even negligibly so. But it would raise the pitch...in theory.

No in theory a dent can make a tone or maybe more then one tone flatt or sharp depending on if the dent is making the bore smaller at the place of a node or antinode.
8  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: D above bass clef problems on: Mar 06, 2017, 02:18AM
So, I've been playing straight tenor trombone for about 4 months now, and suddenly my 1st position D ( ) Is Really unstable, yet the B♭ below and the F above are fine. does anyone know what Is wrong, and if so, how to fix it?
Let someone els test the horn, you may find out that horn is the problem, maybe to much dirt in the horn?  :) Or you may find it is your embouchure.
9  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: D above bass clef problems on: Mar 06, 2017, 02:15AM
Strange but both my Conn trombones are a "tiny bit" high on that D. My Holton is not...strange? Maybe its so with your trombone too?


I have no Conn trombones anymore but what you say is true. I have one Holton with flat D. Not strange, different bore profile.
10  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Pedal Tone on: Mar 04, 2017, 03:04AM
I've always thought that, but now I'm not so sure.

Conventional wisdom is to build intonation from the bottom.  I've tried to do that. I still think it's a good idea.   

But I've slowly realized it's about ten times as hard to hear where the tuba pitch is as the trumpet pitch, for the average band member.  Most people are not going to learn to listen down easily.

Nice thing about playing third is endurance becomes a non-factor.   

I know. It depends. If the tuba is in tune (not sharp) and the the third trombone is in tune with the tuba it not difficult. But you are right, many players do not listen down.
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Richard Smith, still nutty on: Mar 04, 2017, 03:00AM
Theoretically, couldn't the brass produce new content through sympathetic vibrations unpresent in the original input signal? Or is that considered transmission.
I do think we talked about that some time ago?
That is an interesting issue though. The metal do vibrate. Actually even with the RS mouthpiece.
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Switching to bass trombone on: Mar 04, 2017, 02:52AM
OP, get a King 3B.

Low C?  or ottava basso?

For the latter you better pull the attachment tuning slide if you like it in tune.
No matter if its tuned to C or F.
The Conn 88 slide is not long enough to reach the low C without the pull.
Of course you can fake it, but that is not what we are talking about here?
13  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Gunhild Carling lesson on jazz improvisation on: Mar 04, 2017, 02:23AM
Yes she is crazy, we all love her! But I wonder why played "Tommy Dorsey"?
She never play that stuff.
I wonder if she like that stuff?
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Richard Smith, still nutty on: Mar 03, 2017, 06:48AM
Well, yeah.

But they rarely if ever do - they make talk about air flow, but normally not specific to the lips. 

Arnold Jacobs: "blow the lips".
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Richard Smith, still nutty on: Mar 03, 2017, 06:41AM
Svenne, I admit I didn't read the hole tread and I first saw your video today. Cool  Good! Didn't know you play tenor also!

If my family go to Sweden this summer, I go and visit you. I bring my Conn and you give me some tips on how to play the Sinatra songs. We have relatives living in Mjölby so we might take a trip. And we can go and have a beer in "Grøna Lund". Mjölby isnt that fare away from Stockholm, 1 or 2 ours with car?  Im also a little curious about trying some new instruments like your Kanstul. Brasspecialisten also have some instruments in the shop?

On topic; Today a singer told us his approach to sing. About how to use air, how to make the throat, jaws and different ways to form the body to make different sounds. Very interesting. He told even the canals up to nose and eyes is a factor in shaping the sound. Classical singers open as much as possible to make a good sound. He show us how he warm up and we did it together with him. Even I with my horrible voice felt I could get a decent sound. Amazing! When thinking about it, a lot of the prinsipps are the same on trombone. The air stream make the "voice muscles" vibrate. Same as we use air to make lips vibrate. They dont use tongue then to start the tone and they use a lot more "shape inside" throat and the hole head to color the sound. In short we could learn from singers...

Anyway, very interesting and much of it is the same prinsipp on trombone!  Amazed


Leif! Looking forward to see you this summer! You do play the Sinatra song very good, lets do some playing and test horns and meet some friends! Well Gröna Lund maybe, Brass specialisten if the shop is open. Svenne
16  Practice Break / Polls / Re: Most favorite mouthpiece on: Mar 03, 2017, 03:33AM
I have owned and played mouthpieces from all the brands in the list except Velocity, all of those make good mouthpieces.

For now my favorite is Kurun & Gilbert for teonor, bass and tuba.
For me a very comfy rim and the cup and back bore works fine for me.
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Richard Smith, still nutty on: Mar 03, 2017, 03:23AM
Some people here are saying that knowing this "the air doesn't go though the horn"

Well, that is not how it is. Nobody in this thread say "the air doesn´t go through the horn".
Absolutely nobody.

Except, when you lead the air stream out of the mouthpiece before it can enter the horn.

Nobody disagree with that. All your "experiments do work. Nobody disagree with that either.

Is it possible for all of us to agree on two simpel thing things?

1 when we play the trombone, the air goes through the horn.

2 if we somehow lead the air out of the mouthpiece before it enters the horn, the air does not go through the horn. Thats not how the trombone is played most of the time though.  :)

18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Richard Smith, still nutty on: Mar 03, 2017, 02:49AM
My point is that regardless of whether they affect sound, they matter to the player.

That is true.

19  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Student switching from Sax on: Mar 02, 2017, 02:20AM
Among the hardest problems to solve are the fact that his lower lip goes way into the mouth covering the lips (my understanding is that this is typical sax embouchure).

That is not a typically sax embouchure, more clarinette but not really. Maybe the idea to play trombone was to get away from the sax beacause of embouchure problem?
I would have him play som flute, that is actually closer to brass embouchure then what many think.

How does he sound?
Did you mean "covering the teeth"?
I have some former trombone students who do play with the lower lip going into the mouth, some are pro players and do sound very good.

It is a bit difficult to really understand what "way into the mouth" is. Can he articulate? How is his range? ASnd most important how is the sound?
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Richard Smith, still nutty on: Mar 02, 2017, 02:05AM
grandfather in the stone age knew the air going through the lips make the sound. The sound depends how we form the lips and how we use the air. Is there really anything new here? There is nothing....that is useful. We still have to use the air, lips, tongue, our body to make the horn sound the way we want. And I bet this will not change the way to play, or change the horn for the next thousands of years.

Well, the experiment did not prove that the horn feature was important, actually the opposite.
The transmiting of the vibrations to the horn in my show was done through the vibrating plastic film, nevertheless, the horn reacted with the bore profile and did set up a standing vawe (sorry Tim) so that there was a clear series of partials. As a matter of fact the horns boreprofile is extremely important. There have been brass instruments around for thusends of years, trombones from around 1450, the bore-profile has chansed many times, today we play different trombones like small, medium, medium-large, large and bass trombone (not coutning contrabass or alto) and sackbut that has a completely different bore-profile. No the old time trombonists did think that the lips made the sond, we dont think so today either. The lips and the horn makes the sound, the horn is as important as the lips.

For many years I told my students to blow through the horn. In my experience it is much more revarding to say blow the lips, let the sound fill the room.

You do the teaching, in anyway you want, I hade some fun, and yes some of the reactions made me have some more fun!  :)
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