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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Alternative to Schilke 60 on: Today at 04:15 AM
The combination trombone + mouthpiece + player = anything from bad to good.

I started to play basstrombone late in my careere 1969.
I tried many combinations of horns and mouthpieces.
1G Schilke 60 and Dennis Wick 00AL is not the best for me, (actually I find Bach 1G to be a very unbalanced mouthpiece)
Douglas Yeo is great but for me bigger then what I want in latter years.
Hammond 20 BL for me is good 21 BL good but to big for what I want.
Griego good pieces, Greg Black good pieces.
Laskey my favorite. 85 MD 90 D 93D and 95D all very good. (I use 85MD and sometimes 90D.)

Actually, the best mpc for me may be the worst for you. When I was younger I played bigger.
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Tuner accuracy on: Nov 21, 2017, 01:28AM
Good! Good! Good!

Yes I believe many of us donīt like the Bb as a tuning tone. I was against as a teacher to. I believe students of 16 up of years shall learn to tune to A, beacuse that is what they get in the orchestras. No Bb:s aaginst the bumper.

How many if us have experienced a tuner that was not accurat thoug?

I have never found a tuner that wasnīt accurat.

3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Tuner accuracy on: Nov 20, 2017, 02:18AM
Some orchestras I've played in do give both an A and a Bb when doing.  I don't like the practice.  What if the given A and Bb are not in tune with each other?  Furthermore, I have no problem tuning to an A.  I play the D above it and listen to the interval.

It doesn't really matter if I tune exactly to the oboe A.  Just as long as I'm close, I have the world's longest tuning slide in my right hand to fix minor errors.  I actually prefer to be tuned slightly high relative to the oboe A so that if I'm flat in first position I can fix it on the fly.  (First position being slightly off the bumpers.)
Actually the idea of giving both A and Bb to the orchestra was practised in the The Rojal opera in Stockhom years ago. Bad idea. Did not improve the intonation. (understatement)
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What if the given A and Bb are not in tune with each other?

Well they arnīt. How could they?
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Tuner accuracy on: Nov 19, 2017, 12:43PM
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5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Recommendations for a Jazz Trombone on: Nov 19, 2017, 04:02AM
Curtis used different bones, the last one was a Yammaha 691 I believe, at least the two last times in Stockholm. He used a big horn some times though.
A jazz trombone is a trombone that is played by a jazz musician, any trombone actually. But I know what you mean. Many jazz players play 525 bore horns, some 500 bore depnding one what they like to play.

Speaking about Curtis if somebody know, did he for awhile play a 2B slide with a 3B bell like JJ?
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Tuner accuracy on: Nov 19, 2017, 02:35AM
As Harrison.T. pointed to the phytagorean intonation is about melodic playing, in some cases, like thirds and sixths actually the opposite direction to just intonation. As a trombone player it is good to know that melodic (phytagorean) achordic (just) and equal (like the piano) intonation is different.

I never came across a tuner that wasenīt accuat.
All good tuners can be set to low tuning like 415hz to high tuning like 465hz, actually both higher and lower. The tuner is used by most oboe players to give the A that the orchestra is using. I play in orchestras using 415 430 440 441 442 and rarelly 465. (well, not on the same instrument though)

Many organ players avoid thirds on the final chord when playing with trombone solist.
7  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: 10 Minute Warm-Up vs. 15 Minute Warm-up vs. 20 Minute Warm-up on: Nov 16, 2017, 09:02AM
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You'd think doing the same thing every day would be boring but Dave Taylor told us at one of his sessions that he'd started every day with an hour of scales, for the past 40 years.

Well, that is not a warm up for me, that is what I might do after the warm up. Still without books. There is so much you can do with scales, and many scales to practise, and many scale patterns to use, there is a reason for one hour scales for a guy like Dave Taylor. I do not play scales for one hour every day, but pretty often I do, more than an hour sometimes. I like playing scales.
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Something's buzzing, and it's not me on: Nov 16, 2017, 02:11AM
The 891Z is not a dual bore so you could turn the slide upside down and see if that does the trick.

/Tom

Clever.
9  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: 10 Minute Warm-Up vs. 15 Minute Warm-up vs. 20 Minute Warm-up on: Nov 16, 2017, 02:07AM
I dont use a book anymore when I warm up. Long notes until I find the sweet sound on each note. Then some few melodies and slurs. And a cooffe, thats the most important part  Good! About 15 minutes, cooffee included.

Leif

It was many years ago I used a book for warm up. Long tones, flexes, some arpeggios etc. A book is not making me listen to my sound. Cooffe before, along, and after. :)
Svenne
10  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Full sound, whisper tones etc. on: Nov 14, 2017, 07:25AM
Who is Olov?

Olav Holmqvist is a Swedish trombonist that is unknown in TTF except for some who know anything about the Swedish Radio Band, Rias rundfunk bigband in Berlin or James Last Band. Hi is wellknown in Sweden as a great studio player.
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Practice mute more free blowing and more loud than bremner on: Nov 14, 2017, 02:08AM
Oh I love Bremner it is very good, I use the Wallace to, it is also very good. Best Bras makes the horns to much out of tune for my liking.
Tight cup and bucket is good if you donīt own a Bremner.
12  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Full sound, whisper tones etc. on: Nov 14, 2017, 02:00AM
The whisper tone is very soft and is a way of practise. the "halftone buzz" is a way of freebuzz/into the horn, you buzz with just a little contact with the mpc. It is used in performance (and practised of course).
Another effect is the fuzzy tone you can get with an apperture that is "to big", that is the same effect a jazz singer could use like a whispered woice. Not as soft as the whisper ton and not the same sound as the "halftone buzz".
The Swedish composer/arranger Bengt-Arne Wallin asked for that effect sometimes calling it subtone, Lasse Samuelsson wanted the same effect calling it "lose lip". For a "full tone" the lips do touch in the vibrating cycle (like in a full sound singing the vocalchords touch) in the "subtone" the lips hardly touch, like in a whispered song. The Sedish trombonist Olav Holmqvist was very good at this.
So there is at least three different effects in this discousion.
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: 3bF+ (.525) blow on a smaller horn on: Nov 14, 2017, 01:34AM
If I was looking for a horn with brightnes and really cutting, my first choice would be 3B, possible a 3BF.
A horn for more soft playing ballads and jazz could be a 2B. The mouthpiece could make a big difference.
14  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: What is tone? on: Nov 10, 2017, 07:28AM
Guys, go practice!   Idea!

In all languages many words can be intercangeble. Tone can mean different things, so can sound. Noice for example.
When we talke about trombone music sound and tone can be the same, not necessary, but in this discousion it is mostly the same thing.
"I think tone is overrated", that depends. In some bands tone/sound does not matter much, can you play your part? Good, you are hired. In other band/orchestras the sound/tone makes the difference between getting the gig or not.

When I, and lots of other people listen to trombone music the sound/tone is very important.
Good trombone sounds depends on gengre and taste. Yes it does.
15  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Gotta love challenging jumps!! on: Nov 10, 2017, 06:52AM
The difficulty is to catch enough breath before the low C. The Weber is regularly played at the music school at the age of 16-18. Not a big deal.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bass with .547 slide on: Nov 05, 2017, 11:31AM
One of my favorite basse are my Bach 45 (as it is 9,5 inch bell it is a 46) Fantstic bass in bigband. 547 bore slide.
17  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: How to be the leader in your section on: Nov 02, 2017, 04:23AM
I was in a group recently that stood for rehearsals where I played the lead part but the "section leader" was always the tallest person present that evening in the section. It so happened one evening when the conductor was giving the section instruction that the tallest person didn't want to be the "section leader", so he asked the conductor if he was going to tell the lead player (me) that instruction as well. I thought it was pretty funny b/c I didn't want to be the "section leader" either.

...Geezer

Well if you play the lead you are the section leader, like it or not.
18  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: How to be the leader in your section on: Nov 02, 2017, 04:21AM
Well, in a profesional band the leader i responsible for the section and is payed for that. And if nessecary the leader may tell the section how to play.
But this is not a pro band. But the director points at her beacause she is the leader. That is not really fair, she is probably the best player, but she is not ready to tell the older players.
I think she should talk to the director about it, he/she may not understand that she feels unceura when she get pointed at when she think she is playing as good as possible. The director may not understand the problem being the lead and the youngest player. That is not a problem when you are older, but now it can be. An older leadplayer are responsible for the section, but she may not be ready for that.
Ask the director how to behave.
The director may not be so experinced to really hear what is happening, who is playing correct and who is not? That is not very easy to hear for most directors. It is normal for a director to adress the leader of the section though, but talk to the director! Before the rehersal!
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Interesting Soprano Trombone... on: Oct 30, 2017, 11:11AM
Pictures?
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Fixing Stuffy Bass Valves on: Oct 30, 2017, 11:08AM
What does other players say when they try your horn? How many other horns have you tried? If other players thing the valves are stuffy, they probably are. If other horns you tried are not stuffy (not comparing to the axial valves) wellthen you do have a horn with stuffy valves. Best thing is to sell the horn to someone who likes it, and buy a horn you like.

I played Holton bassbones for many years. Most of the are fine, some great, some not fitting my playing.
I you say your 181 has stuffy valves I do believe you, that is in fact my opinion of 181. Some players like them. I donīt.
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