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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bass trumpets on: Today at 12:28 PM
I'm actually a little surprised Edwards or Shires haven't entered that space. They have the ability to make trumpet sized parts (since they make trumpets).  There must be something that is missing (perhaps nothing more than perceived market share) but I'd suspect a basss trumpet priced the same as their C or Bb trumpets (or even a little more) would do really well... given the lack of alternatives.
2  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Why is tenor clef used for trombone work? Composer preference? on: Today at 10:57 AM
Isnt the tenor clef used so the sheet music looks better? To avoid the help lines in high register so notes are kept more inside the staff? Its mostly cosmetics so the score looks better I think. The strange thing is its never used in jazz even its going high up in the lead trombone.

Leif

I agree. I always write my big band / combo scores with an optional tenor clef part, which is the part that I typically use when playing.
3  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Why is tenor clef used for trombone work? Composer preference? on: Today at 10:23 AM
Or a horn part that goes into bass clef.  I never know what they want for sure. 

Neither do the hornists  ;-)
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bass trumpets on: Today at 08:39 AM
Yeah, and who knwos how it would turn out. I know there are some places that offer Bb -> C trumpet conversions. The process isn't super expensive from what I've read, but the results may not be as good as the route of just getting something right in the first place.  At this rate, it's only a matter of time before they offer one anyway or so it seems  :D
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Softone Mute on: Yesterday at 08:32 PM
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6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bass trumpets on: Yesterday at 07:52 PM
Interesting. I'd bet it wouldn't be hard to add a 4th rotor to a Wessex. 460 bore so a trumpet rotor should work okay if you can put it in the right location.  Might be better to try to convince them to make such a setup though!
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: New Bass Trombone for student? on: Yesterday at 02:58 PM
If 3k is in the budget you canít do better than a shires Q series. Thatís a lot of horn for a great price.

The basses are a little higher than that at around $3600, but they are a great deal still.  Toying around with the idea of one myself if I can get enough stuff traded around.

(If you know of one at the $3k mark, do let me know because that would be something I'd be interested in looking into)
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Single vs. Dual bore on: Yesterday at 02:39 PM
My suspicion is Jay has made a keen observation but hasn't communicated it in a way that is literally true.  I can understand the sentiment. Although I prefer dual bores that are smaller than the 547/562 myself.
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Mouthpiece suggestions? on: Yesterday at 02:37 PM
Just about the only piece you've ruled out is a 6.5AL.  Almost everything is bigger than your current setup in terms of inner diameter oft the rim :)

Doug, who Bruce mentioned, is another one of the moderators. He has a series of pieces that works well for trying because you can pick rim, cup, and shank to match what you're doing.  A lot of us play those here, especially those of us like myself who prefer larger rims but not necessarily deep cups. The modularity of the pieces makes it easy to get something like that with stock parts, which is really convenient.

You probably want to figure out if you're one of those players before you start buying. Doug is good at diagnosing that.  If there is someone knowledgable locally they could also be a good resource.  You generally don't want to take advice if they can't see you because it's easy to prescribe what works for oneself but that isn't always a recipe for success. 
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bass trumpets on: Yesterday at 01:50 PM
What is the 4th valve on a C bass trumpet?  I really don't like tuning slide mechanisms on Euph but on a bass trumpet it would probably be compact enough to work. If its an intonation problem.
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: New Bass Trombone for student? on: Yesterday at 11:45 AM
+1

Double valve basses can be quite heavy depending on which brand you get. I was experiencing quite a bit of pain when I first got my Benge 290 so I bought a Sheridan get-a-grip to help support the weight of the horn. The Sheridan get-a-grip is superior to the neotech on my particular horn imo.

I had to adjust my (Neotech) to work with my basses, but after adjusting it worked better than anything else.  But I have dainty hands.  I couldn't figure out the Sheridan to be honest but I assume that if someone had showed me I'd have bee able to use it.  The nice things about both is that they're removable so they'll fit in the case and they're both under $50 so they both could be reasonable options.
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Tune in Slide Removal on: Yesterday at 11:39 AM
It's a present for his daughter.

Ahh gotcha. I didn't see that.

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Old TIS friction-fit bell sections mated with slides intended for bell-tuned horns. As long as things matched up well enough to give you something around a=440 when the slide is between 1st and 2nd position, it would work.

Yeah, that's the part that I was thinking might be the problem.  Wasn't sure about how the lengths would work on it.  Sounds like an interesting project. So many horns so little time!
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Tune in Slide Removal on: Yesterday at 10:54 AM
No kid is going to buy "no tuning".  And if they did, their Band Directors would refuse.

Well, I meant for me since it's relevant. Did I miss something about this horn being resold to a student?
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Tune in Slide Removal on: Yesterday at 10:46 AM
How hard would it be to convert it to "no tuning"?   I've thought about similar horns in the past.  I keep my tuning slide in most of the way anyway and like lighter slides. 
15  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Why is tenor clef used for trombone work? Composer preference? on: Yesterday at 10:44 AM
I'll just say that all of music notation is small items that we might miss. If we got rid of all the things that people might miss there would be nothing left.  Clever

Right, but perhaps better put is that 8va markings are fine but when they are for extended periods of time the end point can be vague as can the beginning point because they are indicated above the staff with text and lines.  The clef markings are very clear because they are contained within the staff themselves. Given the choice between a clef that has few ledger lines for the piece, including any outlier notes, is much clearer in this case than an entire piece with 8va on it with the exception of one note. 

Likewise, it would be akin to having the clef change in the middle of a tie.  Both situatiosn are ambiguous so while we would have nothing left if we got rid of something that we might miss, we should strive to strike the balance that leads to the least chances of that happening and all of the proposed solutions have contextually valid reasons for being applied. They just often aren't. Thus the Blazevich book  :cry:
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: New Bass Trombone for student? on: Yesterday at 10:29 AM
I don't think they want to spend over 3k.

You can get a lot of horn for 3k or less.  JP Rath bass I believe is close to 2ish and is also a really good import.  There are numerous used horns you can get at that price point (most "stock" basses will fall between $1400-2600ish used at the moment).  Kings, Bachs, Conns, Benge, Yamaha are all within that price point used.  There's actually a YBL830 at brassark right now that's a little over that budget but you might be able to talk them down to your budget.

I'd highly recommend budgeting something like the Neotech brace that I mentioned earlier (not much, $30ish) because it will make the horn easier to hold. 
17  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Why is tenor clef used for trombone work? Composer preference? on: Yesterday at 09:50 AM
It really depends on context because tehre are situations where all of them are useful. Although I don't know about grand staff for a single instrument, that would be confusing for me. I do occasionally read from piano parts when I'm playing with groups of 3+ other people because hymns are fun to play and it is cool to be able to see what chord is being played though.  But that's not necessarily what is being talked about.

Tenor/alto clef is useful when the tessitura matches.  Writing a part for bass clef 8va would honestly be confusing for me. Especially for the occasional note that would otherwise only be a ledger line below tenor clef, e.g. Bb (one ledger line).  In bass clef 8va it would be a written pedal Bb and if you just undid the 8va for that note I might miss it etc. 

OTOH, writing a single or group of notes 8va in bass clef is really good short hand instead of writing out a bunch of ledger lines and makes more sense to me than putting in a clef switch.

Then again, trumpet,horn, and clarinet players routinely have to deal with ridiculous transposition changes in the same part so our conventions are at least more sensible than that!
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Shires Tru Bore Slowing Down on: Yesterday at 09:39 AM
yeah, maintainance is usually the contributing thing that makes these unresponsive. If it isn't that definitely worth it to have them check it out. (Or another tech if yo have to ship it depending on what you have available to you).
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Shires Tru Bore Slowing Down on: Feb 17, 2018, 08:16PM
To echo deacon's echo: I used Hetman piston on the INSIDE of mine and it was great.
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Nickel plated mouthpieces on: Feb 17, 2018, 07:58PM
Reminds me I need to seal off one of my cork barrels with fingernail polish... Just to be safe!!  :-0 I know I'm allergic because of the Greenhoe thumbrests.  It did take awhile for it to manifest, but eventually I got such a rash and I had to use fingernail polish to cover it up. Maybe Matt Walker can correct me on this but I've been led to believe they were made from solid nickel.  :-0 :-0  Using black fingernail polish looked fine on it and I was able to see if it was peeling off etc.  Worth considering if anyone still is using theirs!  Or getting it plated maybe if you haven't had it soldered.
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