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1  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Playing in Europe on: Nov 28, 2013, 12:45PM
... but I've met some Brass Banders who can read bass, tenor, treble, alto, ... (and who are really good musicians).

Probably because if they have played both bass and tenor trombone in a brass band they will need to have read treble, tenor (which is not uncommon in brass band arrangements) and bass clefs. This is one of the reasons that bass trombonists are special people.  Good!
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Besson valve section flat on low F on: Oct 10, 2013, 08:32PM
I recently bought a Besson BE-944R (Hagmann valve, rose brass bell) from a pawnbroker. Overall I'm very pleased with it however with the tuning slide on the F attachment all the way in it plays a long way flat on using the trigger (slide in 1st position).

Tuning for  using the trigger is fine.

Has anyone else noticed this on a Besson or with the Hagmann valve section in general ?

3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Worth fixing/buying? on: Oct 02, 2013, 07:00PM
I saw the original listing. Given the obscure brand name I'm guessing that it's an old Chinese horn and it looks to me like it would be hideous to play. I'd keep looking if I was you.

I got a student model Yamaha euphonium for less than $300 which has some weird tuning, but it's solidly built and will last.

4  Practice Break / Found on the 'Net / Bass frankenbone in Scotland on: Sep 26, 2013, 02:51PM
Rath bell
Shires valves
Holton ???


5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: removing oxidation? on: Sep 11, 2013, 01:48PM
Here's a guide to the relative abrasiveness of silver polishes:

I've used both Twinkle and Hagerty Foam which seem gentle but effective.  They also work way better than conventional creams on silver instruments with a frosted finish.

Also check the label on silver polishes - some are not suitable for silver plate.

6  Teaching & Learning / Composition, Arranging and Theory / Re: Results of Sight Reading After Learning a New Clef on: Sep 09, 2013, 05:19PM
Pianists read 2 clefs at the same time. Reading different clefs at different times should be relatively straightforward for the brain to process.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Large Bore Symphonic Horn on: Sep 03, 2013, 07:20PM
Those aussie retail prices REALLY don't reflect the current value of the AU$.

Here's an option.
A local bell section:

Conn 88HCL bell section for AU$800

Slide: US$375

or a brand new one for US$1,045
or there will be others on the forum who could probably find on in between.
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Poll - Symphony Mouthpiece Choice 2013 on: Sep 03, 2013, 12:31PM
What - no King option ?   Confused
Well OK  I haven't been playing in an actual symphony but a brass band and trying to blend my King 4B (yellow bell) with the super-rich sound of the Rath R4F next to me.

A King 29 gives much core to the sound than a 4G. The 29 takes more air in general and more work in the upper register but worth it for the sound.   Good!

... Doesn't turn the 4B into a Rath though  :/
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Largest Known Tenor Trombone With F Attachment (For a Friend) on: Aug 21, 2013, 10:42PM
It would be dark and mellow... But the articulations would be EXTREMELY muddy.  But... If that's what he wants...

...or maybe just try any 0.547 horn with a 1-1/2G. Would probably give much the same result.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Where can you buy Wright's Brass Polish? on: Aug 03, 2013, 03:16PM
Anyone know if Wright's is available in Europe (Sweden) or if there are any equivalent products available, that are not too abrasive and are water solvable?
No wrights in this part of the world.  Mothers mag and aluminium polish works well for me on both brass and nickel silver. Doesn't smell of ammonia and washes off with dishwash liquid.
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Intermediate trombone! on: Jul 31, 2013, 06:13PM
The Brass Exchange has a Yamaha xeno (looks like the thin wall version) close to your price range range. It looks nice as if it hasn't seen much combat.

The Brassark has several 88 or 42 options:

Hornguys also have a used 88HO :  http://www.hornguys.com/menutbn.php

Also - check out this recent classifieds advert from DJ (stealthily named "STUDENT TROMBONES") 

12  Practice Break / Found on the 'Net / Re: Ebay auctions, strange behaviors... on: Jul 25, 2013, 07:28PM

The bidding history shows that it went from $300 to $700 by bids from four bidders all with zero feedback. 

Most of those bids were consecutive bids by the same bidder.  Is there any logic to explain that (unless there was a reserve)?
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Valve Tubing Bore and Material Correlating to Slide Design on: Jul 25, 2013, 05:22PM
There is a complex science of acoustics that analyzes how a vibrating column of air responds to the twists and bends of an instrument.  Tight bends work differently from open bends, which work differently from straight tubing.

Sudden enlargements and restrictions, such as going from the inner slide to the outer slide or from the bore in a plug to the tubing, can have effects on the sound.

Add to this things like internal roughness of the tubing, material choice (affects the way different vibrations are absorbed or not), thickness of the tubing (same thing).  All can affect the way the instrument feels (stuffy or open) or sounds (dull or bright).

Also, there is a standing wave with a series of nodes and antinodes along the length of the horn. The number and location of nodes and anti nodes shift depending on which partial is being blown. Moving the slide also changes their position.  The sound and response of the horn is affected by the position of the nodes and antinodes relative to the bends and discontinuities, and probably also relative to bracing and valves.

The science of this is so complicated that it can't be modelled successfully. Trombone design is largely an art using trial and error.

Maybe there is a holy grail valve configuration where sound and response across the whole range is ideal for all players but I doubt it. In the meantime have some fun looking for it.


14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Rotor Bumpers on: Jul 21, 2013, 11:50AM
it looks like 1/4 inch...

More than likely it's sold in the engineering industry as 6.3 mm o-ring cord. That's what I received when I ordered cord for bumpers on my King 4B.

Warning - O-ring geek material follows:
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The standard diameters for O-rings and o-ring cord sold in imperial measurements are 0.210 inch and 0.275 inch (weird sizes, but intended to provide the right amount of compression to provide an effective seal in a groove of standard depth 3/16 or 1/4 inch respectively).

O-ring material comes in a range of hardnesses.  Standard nitrile rubber O-rings are 70-durometer, which I think is what's generally used as bumper material. Lower numbers are softer.
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I've been wondering about trying softer material to make my King rotor quieter. I need to check If there are any 6mm O-rings or O-ring cord available with a lower hardness.
15  Teaching & Learning / History of the Trombone / Re: Bet you can't do this on: Jul 07, 2013, 12:23PM
Is it a genuine military band or is it an amateur group?

Many of the amateur groups of the time were liked to the military. In the 1870s, the Government sponsored the establishment of "Garrison Bands" made up of volunteers.  There were 16 of these bands around the country.  At some stage the funding stopped and they became purely civilian bands, but some kept the "Garrison" name through to the 1970s or 1980s.

The influence of the Garrison band link is still evident in the brass bands in NZ. At the national contest there is a compulsory street march event. Because of this, the standard of marching in NZ civilian brass bands is much higher than those in the UK or Australia.

Here's one of the better civilian bands...
16  Teaching & Learning / History of the Trombone / Re: Bet you can't do this on: Jul 07, 2013, 11:52AM
Christchurch Bicycle Band, New Zealand, 1898

Here's the background...


The instruments would have been British brass band instruments.  I guess tubas would have been be a step too far, hence the sousaphone.

The band was resurrected in 2010...
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Getzen 4047DS vs Bach 42 on: Jul 03, 2013, 02:42PM
What is the difference in the 4047DS and the 4147IB? The only difference I see (and read in the description) is the rose bell and the end crook. Other than that it looks like the same horn.

Christan's comments in an earlier thread suggest that the geometry of the horn overall is quite different...

The Ian trombone was very different for me to work on because I have never developed/fully understood Conn's or narrow slide trombones.  It took me a while to understand what aspect of the Conn 88 was good.  There are a few golden notes on certain ones that I tested, and I focused on these great aspects and then tried to incorporate more clarity on the front of the note, and more consistency across all of the registers (which is something we are known for). 

18  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: I have trouble counting on: Jun 30, 2013, 04:21PM
Tot tap or not to tap ?...

These guys (the seated section) present a good argument for foot tapping (maybe not for aesthetics though).
See from 1:00 and 2:45
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Best practice aka whisper mute on: Jun 27, 2013, 08:25PM
There's more discussion in this thread...
20  Practice Break / Found on the 'Net / Re: Oh boy, great deal on: Jun 25, 2013, 04:20PM
King serial numbers are on the bell section - not the slide.

The 4 digit numbers on the slide are just a model number for the slide.  Not sure if they are understood by anyone beyond the factory.

I hope anyone thinking of buying it for $13k reads this first.
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