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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: What have I found??? on: Yesterday at 05:21 PM
A little more detail.
Euphonium writing is varied. It includes a lot of octave doubling of solo cornets, bass parts, counter melodies and florid accompaniments. There are 2 euphoniums usually playing from the same part but with often solos and division. The principal euphoniumist is one of the main soloists in the band.

Baritones play from separate parts 1st and 2nd. They typically play tenor voiced parts, sometimes team up with the euphoniums particularly for a tenor like melody or counter melody. They also play lighter accompaniments that need to blend in such a way that wouldn't be possible on a euphonium. These accompaniments can be very intricate. A first baritone player is more than a 3rd euphonium player. They can form a lower extension to the tenor horns. It is harder to make a baritone project as a solo instrument when the horns, trombones and euphs are all playing. Consequently, the baritone is lest frequently featured as a soloist.

This is a very polite way of saying that there is a standing joke among players of other instruments that  baritone and Eb horn players are specialists in playing off-beats.  Evil
The extent to which this is true depends on the laziness of the arranger.  Some more recent test-pieces for brass band have challenging parts for all players.
2  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: British Brass Bands on: Feb 24, 2015, 12:22PM
...in the days when the whole band stood around the conductor in a circle at contests...

Not sure why you used the past tense. It still happens...

If they used french horns the bell wouldn't collect rain.
3  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: British Brass Bands on: Feb 23, 2015, 02:37PM
But if you were designing a brass band, from scratch, what would you change?

For a start, ban the snare drum from being played in anything except marches.   Evil
4  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Australia in Eurovision Song Contest??? on: Feb 12, 2015, 09:58AM
They should open it up to all the former colonies and oppressed territories.

Wouldn't it then include everywhere except Japan and maybe parts of China ?
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bb? on: Feb 07, 2015, 10:57AM
au contraire, I know at least a dozen people who can sight transpose concert pitch music to their Eb instrument.  I'm not one of them, but then I don't play an Eb instrument either so there's been no need to learn.

It's not always as difficult as it seems. Brass band Eb bass players can read concert pitch bass clef by pretending it's written in Eb treble clef and adjusting the key signature .
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: How many horns do you own? on: Feb 06, 2015, 10:46AM
Getzen 4047IB Bousfield 2014
Conn 88h 1969
88h 1959
88h 1967
8h 1967

Hi Tim
It would be great if you could do a review of the Getzen, using the Conns as a reference point.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bb? on: Feb 06, 2015, 10:28AM
Another idiosyncrasy of the brass band is that an Eb horn is called a "Tenor Horn" where the name "Alto"  would be more appropriate.

Having a mainly brass band background, I think in Bb (but making myself learn to read bass clef).  What would be quite useful would be a piano in Bb .

8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: What are this?!?!?! on: Feb 06, 2015, 01:27AM
They are way thinner than any standard o-ring cross section, so an instrument repairer /supplier is probably the best source. Old ones go brittle and the fit of the cap is less secure. Best to replace every 5 or so years, like a water key cork.
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: HELP! Nickel trombone cleaning issues on: Dec 24, 2014, 03:40PM
Who silver plated it? I could see a non-reputable player not cleaning the nickel underneath well enough and some oxidation bleeding through the silver plate. Other than that it must be your water...
I bought a silver plated Bach cornet new in 1989. Some of the tubing is nickel silver, and the plating loss from these bits is much worse than on the rest of the instrument which is brass. Maybe there is some inherent difficulty with silver plate on nickel silver ?

10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Holton bass trombone query on: Dec 13, 2014, 11:48PM

JohnL's website
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: What are the really nice Straight 525s? on: Nov 26, 2014, 03:28PM

Check out this thread about a chocolate 36.
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Where to rent a Contra? on: Nov 24, 2014, 07:30PM
Baltimore Brass have a used miraphone listed. They might be worth a try.
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: instruments as investments on: Nov 19, 2014, 10:14AM
Anyone know what the most expensive trombones are.

Thein stuff is up there. Here's their contra...
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: instruments as investments on: Nov 16, 2014, 09:01AM
Quote from: SilverBone on Today at 04:39 AM

[I agree with the sentiment that trombones are terrible investments.  I buy bones that give me pleasure to own.

OTOH, trombones I bought 50 years ago are now worth more than I paid for them.  I don't know if the increase outpaced inflation.]

Back in 1964 I was pricing trombones and was interested in a King 4B or a Conn 88H (top of the line pro horns of the day).  List price was $495 and street price was just under $300.  Back then a car cost between $1600 and $2000.

An 88H bought for $495 in 1964 would need to be worth $3,800 now just to hold its value.
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: How many trombones do you need- a scientific study on: Nov 09, 2014, 01:19AM
The key is to have way more than you need (or that she can count) BEFORE you get married.

The same rule applies to motorcycles.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: King 29 on: Oct 30, 2014, 12:02PM
According to a King brochure(early 1970s) the 29 was standard issue with the 4B and 5B (and maybe 6b as well).  I've tried one on the 4B and 5B. It seems a better match for the 5B.  On the 4b it made the sound a little dull and articulations less clear than a 4G-ish mouthpiece.

Also, the shank taper is similar to a normal large shank but not quite the same.

If you have a 4B or 5B it's worth a try.  If you play something else with a "normal" taper you're probably better off looking at other mouthpieces around the 4g - 5g continuum.

17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Idea to customize horn, where do you go to get it built/tested? on: Sep 25, 2014, 04:52PM
Check out www.robbstewart.com  and click on "other projects" and "mechanics" on the left .
It will give you some idea of what oddball stuff is possible.
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Will playing trumpet strengthen the UR on: Sep 07, 2014, 03:40PM
I have a tendency to use too much pressure  with small mouthpieces  and would need to be careful that this didn't become a habit transferred to trombone technique .
I would be interested in trying one of those Wycliffe / chansons mouthpieces. Could be great on 2nd/ 3rd cornet parts.
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: How important is mouthpiece plating? on: Sep 02, 2014, 02:23PM
Gold has a lower coefficient of friction than silver, so presumably facilitates easier embouchure  adjustments.
Plenty of great players using silver though.  :/
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: How do we really know what mouthpiece is the right one? on: Sep 02, 2014, 01:08AM
That is the advice that Jimmy Knepper gave me years ago..."Play the smallest m'pce that lets you play a good-sounding low E."

I'm trying to reconcile with this quote from Jay Friedman ( http://www.jayfriedman.net/articles/game_of_opposites_2 )
"Lately I've been thinking about the eternal questions of equipment and the concept of using them. I've finally come to this conclusion; play the biggest horn and mouthpiece you can, and then play it as clear and small as you can. By small I don't mean pinched. I mean pure, lively, focused and again, clear. We want the player to sound big in size and the instrument to sound small and facile. The big mistake is using a large type horn and playing it dull and unfocused, which is the most common type of sound I hear today. How do we do that? It has to do with the use of the airstream. Everyone knows to use more air, but how? Think of the airstream as a garden hose: when there is no nozzle on the end, the water comes out thick and doesn't go far. When a nozzle is attached the stream of water narrows and picks up speed, traveling farther. That's what I mean when I say play a big horn small and clear. Since the modern instrument is large in size compared to trombon es in previous centuries, it is never a problem to make a big sound: the problem to avoid is making a dead sound. "

Both arguments seem to have merit. Interesting that they both play(ed) a Bach 42 of sorts, albeit on different types of gig.
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