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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Development of an Ergonomic Euphonium on: Yesterday at 03:28 PM
I've watched some high-end euphonium players and now that they have a trigger on the main tuning slide, they seem to use it to adjust the tuning on almost every note.


I guess they're too stubborn to admit defeat and play a trombone (or superbone) instead.  Evil

2  Town Hall / Notices from TTF Members / Re: New Zealand Brass Band Championships - Livestreamed on: Apr 20, 2017, 05:55PM
Hi Bruce
No - I watching from my work desktop at the moment.
The group I play in isn't serious enough to travel to the national contest. One day when I have more time I might do it more seriously.

3  Town Hall / Notices from TTF Members / Re: New Zealand Brass Band Championships - Livestreamed on: Apr 20, 2017, 01:59PM
B Grade test is on now for next 3 hours
4  Town Hall / Notices from TTF Members / New Zealand Brass Band Championships - Livestreamed on: Apr 18, 2017, 04:04PM
Various events from the NZ Band Champs will be livestreamed by the irrepressible media juggernaut www.brassbanned.com , starting tonight (Wednesday) at 7:00pm (NZ Time) with the Invitational Slow Melody.

Here's  their streaming page

Here's the website for the champs
With any luck they will publish a schedule for the band events (not there yet).  Brassbanned will probably publish a schedule on their site first anyway.

Event Times (all New Zealand time)
Champion of Champions event for soloists:  Thurs 7:00pm (?)

Band events:
Grade   Test event   Own choice event
A (8 bands)   Fri 5:00pm to 9:30pm   Sat 5:00pm to 9:30pm
B (9 bands)   Fri 8:30am to 1:20pm   Sat 9:00am to 1:00pm
C (6 bands)   Fri 3:30pm to 5:30pm   Sat 1:30pm to 3:30pm
D (2 bands)      Sat 9:50am to 11:20am
Youth (1 band)       Fri 3:00pm to 3:30pm

"Champion Brass" concert, Sunday 2:00pm

These events won't be available later on Youtube as the music publishers are still trying to get their head around the internet.
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bach 36G vs Yamaha YSL-630? on: Apr 14, 2017, 04:41PM
If you want a mix of resale, character and collectability, check out the  1964 mt vernon 36b on www.jlandressbrass.com. .
At $3k I'm guessing it would be a better investment that the new one at $2.6k.

6  Creation and Performance / The Business of Music / Re: deduct hearing aids on taxes on: Mar 26, 2017, 01:03PM
Don't make too much of a fuss - the tax policy wonks might feel for the need to impose a tax on instruments based on decibel output  :-)
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: If you had $750 to spend... on: Feb 26, 2017, 11:33AM
I'd get my 3B+/F slide aligned and the whole thing replated. 
(It's currently silver-plated but dull and doesn't hold a shine. Tarnished silver doesn't get the same cudos as brass with patina.)
8  Creation and Performance / Trombonists / Re: More YouTube Trombonists on: Jan 24, 2017, 01:20PM
Paganini Variations - All of the parts!

I imagine this was quite an exercise to put together.

Dale is a trombone student so the trombone parts are well played.


There is some other good stuff on his Youtube channel

9  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Largest community orchestra in the nation?? on: Jan 10, 2017, 03:05PM
There's a brass band near me where they have capped the number of players at 50, and people who go to work during the day can't belong.

10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Less resistance on: Nov 30, 2016, 05:17PM
I haven't seen an M5.1 but it looks comparable to a Bach 5G which is still near the small end of the spectrum for large bore trombones. 
I'm not discounting any of the recommendations to seek advice, but maybe you are suited to a bigger mouthpiece ?

(My own experience so far has been to get progressively more comfortable with my sound, range and dynamics moving from 5G to 4G to 3G.)

11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: King 4bf v Yamaha YSL356g on: Nov 24, 2016, 11:05AM
It looks like it's been around the block a few times.  625 seems a bit high for the visual condition. If cosmetics don't matter to you then these are built very solidly so unless its had serious abuse should play well. Check the inner slide for wear on the stockings though.

The "patina" bits are where the lacquer has worn off. The shinier bits are the original King slightly-orange coloured lacquer.  If you would like to remove and re-apply the lacquer, that King lacquer is REALLY hard to remove. The bell section could be done in a few hours (chemicals may help but a lot of elbow grease will probably still be needed). It would take a LOT of perseverance and time to strip the valve section.

For comparison, check out these sites:

To me it seems that for 1970s to 1990s horns, the price paid for a King 4B/F is typically 60% to 80% that of a Bach 42B or Conn 88H in similar condition.
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Trombones that sound like euphoniums on: Nov 17, 2016, 05:23PM
Some spectral analysis might shed some light on this.

Anyone got a plot for a euphonium ?

Anyone got a plot for a trombone with the bell pointing close to vertical ?

Another factor is that players in some ensembles are encouraged to blend with the euphoniums more often than they are asked to contrast with them. This could be habit-shaping.
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: New size mouthpiece for high school on: Nov 17, 2016, 03:08PM
This post comes to mind...

... I took a few masterclasses with the other Canadian tenor trombonist who designs for Yamaha -- ALAIN TRUDEL.

Alain was asked point blank if we should buy HIS mouthpiece. Here is his advice.
-Buy a Bach 6 1/2AL and practice until the plating comes off of the Bach mouthpiece, and then decide FOR YOURSELF if HIS mouthpice is for you.
-Practice as much as you can, and when you're sick of practicing-- then practice some more.
-Play until you're sick of playing-- and then play some more.
-Play until you're exhausted, and then play some more.

And do that EVERY day, until the plating comes off of the Bach 6 1/2AL.
THEN pick a mouthpiece.

DISCLAIMER: Of course, its been a while since Alain Trudel and Pete Sullivan played in high school or college. Things may have changed in a couple of decades. Maybe young tenor trombonists do not have to practice a lot now--- if they find the right mouthpiece agreed upon by their peers.
14  Town Hall / Comments and Suggestions / Re: "The Trombone Forum" header missing on: Oct 17, 2016, 01:12AM
It's working correctly on this side of the Tasman.
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Cheesecloth question on: Oct 09, 2016, 05:07PM
... real cheesecloth is not available over here.

It's known as mutton-cloth in some parts of the world so try searching for that too. 
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Silver Brushed Finish on: Oct 03, 2016, 07:15PM
Do a search on google images for:
boosey and hawkes imperial frosted silver

or substitute "regent"  for "imperial"

Most are much less "frosty" and now appear smoother than when they were new, and a bit grey.  A common occurrence was brass bands issuing these to players who used silver cleaning methods which worked fine on normal silver plate but  destroyed the frosted effect as they were too abrasive.

Foaming silver cleaners which rely less on rubbing worked best (e.g. Twinkle, Haggerty's)

There are a few nicely finished instruments here...
Scroll down for the Lyon and Healy pocket cornet
17  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Lip Slurs on: Oct 03, 2016, 10:58AM
What I've been trying to do lately is play long notes and slurs in a way that I can feel the sound vibrations in my upper chest.  I'm guessing that this means I very got the resonance chamber thing working and a relaxed throat.
Oh - I listen for a good sound as well.

The reason for practicing slurs is that it's a means -not an end (it drives others in the house nuts).
18  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Trumpet in Bb to Tenor trombone range equivalent on: Sep 20, 2016, 03:50AM
Amen to that.  My friend had a 50th birthday party and his wife hired a rock band (a local Garage Band) and invited all of us (most of us are concert band and jazz band musicians) to join them in a jam session.  I wound up the only one who could keep pace with them.  All the tunes they played were in D, A, and E.  I don't think I played a single note in 1st position.

A workaround for this could be an extra long tuning slide to drop the pitch a semitone - an A trombone rather than a Bb trombone.
19  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Trumpet in Bb to Tenor trombone range equivalent on: Sep 19, 2016, 05:04PM

One often overlooked advantage of parts written Bb Treble is that there are 2 fewer flats in the key signature than if it were written in concert pitch. 
(This is probably more useful if you think in Bb than if you don't.)

I haven't done any research but have a hunch that more music is written in keys with flats than keys with sharps (where writing in Bb would be a disadvantage).
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: YSL 612 from ~30 years ago? on: Sep 18, 2016, 06:32PM
Yamaha nomenclature seems vaguely related to the name. My guess is the SL came from "slide" originally.

YTR TRumpet  (incl piccolo)
YCR CoRnet  (incl soprano)
YFH Flugel Horn
YAH Alto Horn (Eb)
YHR french HoRn
YEP EuPhonium
YEB Eb tuba ("Bass" ?)
YBB Bb tuba ("Bass" ?)

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