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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Best medium (or small) bore triggers? on: Nov 28, 2015, 01:56PM
Don't over look the King 608f. (or 697f)
There has been one listed in the ttf classifieds lately
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Silver maintenece on: Nov 27, 2015, 12:47PM
You should try to minimise abrasion (loss of plating).
Remember that you are cleaning a very thin layer of plating -not solid silver.

There is a summary of silver cleaners here...
3  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: F trigger for a 10yr old? on: Nov 15, 2015, 01:35AM
I've got a King 608F in the classifieds. It's a medium bore (0.525") f-attachment in excellent condition. The bell brace is located in the same place at straight tenors that might make the transition a little easier.


I can't believe this hasn't sold, given all the drooling that has gone on on ttf about 3b+/f.  Comparing the 607f  with my 3b+/f, they aren't too different.  I bet the 608f is even closer.
4  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: F trigger for a 10yr old? on: Nov 14, 2015, 03:58PM
Another factor is how comfortable it is to hold. I picked up a king 607f for my boy when he just turned 10 but was too heavy and hurt his hand. A year later he's bigger and stronger so not as much of an issue now.
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: What horn is this??? on: Oct 28, 2015, 01:21PM
The Supertone brand was used by Sears, Roebuck and Co.. I've got a reprint of a 1927 SR&Co catalog that lists three brands - Advance, Marceau, and Supertone, with Supertone being the highest grade. A Supertone trombone ran $17.45 in lacquer and $28.40 in "extra quality silver plate, satin finish , gold plated bell".

In 1927, Silvertone was the brand SR&Co was using on radios.
6  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Rugby World Cup on: Oct 18, 2015, 12:48PM
New Zealand played perfect, textbook rugby. Nothing fancy, just everything right. Great game.

Unfortunately on the other side of the world, some genius scheduled a brass band contest at the same time. Yeah, RIGHT. We were just going into the warmup room at kickoff.  Have recorded the game to watch later.
7  Town Hall / Notices from TTF Members / Re: MNOZIL BRASS at The University of Utah on: Oct 14, 2015, 11:06PM
Saw them about 2 years ago and the whole show was mime, apart from the music. There was a bit of innuendo, including an appearance by an inflatable doll, but would probably go over the head of a 6 year old.
Don't underestimate the volume of sound 7 guys can produce.  Some earplugs might be useful if the kid is sensitive to sound.

The show I saw was about $70 for a ticket.  $10 or $25 is a bargain.
8  Creation and Performance / Other Musicians and Ensembles / Re: Mediocrity in community bands on: Sep 30, 2015, 10:36AM
I think that "musical apathy" is the problem here, rather than mediocrity per-se. 
We were all mediocre once ( some of us still might be) and lower level bands need to tolerate this.
The problem is that with the apathy you would be less likely to get past the mediocrity.

9  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Cricket Ashes 2015 - Doom and Gloom on: Aug 06, 2015, 11:39PM
Cricket. What's that.

I've decided to follow the netball.  The World Championships have just started and we should do well.

I'm guessing you're a rugby denier as well.
(go the All Blacks!)
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Should I replace my mouthpiece or my trombone? on: Aug 05, 2015, 04:23PM
A lot of the errors I have when playing a piece are from my lips doing something odd in the mouthpiece, like involuntary sounds and stuff like that (kind of like a voice cracking).

Sounds like what is referred to around here as a "double buzz", which can be caused by a number of different issues (search the forum for more).  It is best looked at by a teacher.  Doug is an authority on this stuff.
11  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Vowel to use and thinking of which note I play on: Aug 05, 2015, 02:56PM
Here's some recent research on the vowel / brass sound thing. 


Abstract: This paper presents some initial findings regarding the influence of First Language on playing brass instruments. Using ultra- sound imaging of the tongue, vowel production and sustained trombone notes were compared for a New Zealand English and a Tongan speaker. It is suggested that, during trombone play- ing, the tongue shapes used by the Tongan participant pattern with the back vowel /o/ while those used by the New Zealand English player pattern with the centralized KIT vowel (/9/) and schwa (/@/). It is argued that these findings provide preliminary evidence of First Language influence on brass playing.

There are also theories I've heard that northern English accents are better suited to brass playing than those from further South.  I don't know if this has been tested scientifically. There is likely to be a bit of North South brass band rivalry influencing this.

12  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: fs possibly //holton 185 //holton 169 on: Aug 03, 2015, 09:35PM
if you want it next day to new  zealand --no problem  Pant

You gotta stop posting this sort of stuff - It's gonna get me into trouble one day.
13  Town Hall / Notices from TTF Members / Re: Live streaming from New Zealand - Brassbanned.com on: Jul 10, 2015, 10:11PM
The Own Choice event for the A Grade bands is on now for the next 5 hours or so.  This is the best event to watch.
14  Town Hall / Notices from TTF Members / Live streaming from New Zealand - Brassbanned.com on: Jul 09, 2015, 12:04PM
Over the next couple of days, the New Zealand brass band championships will be live streamed at brassbanned.com  .
The quality of sound is great, and video fine to watch on screen or through a tv. 

Starts 1 1/2 hours from now.

15  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: intermediate or professional? on: Jun 19, 2015, 07:59PM
I've got a King 2125 (3B+ with F attachment) and a King 607f for my kid.  Played side by side, the 2125 has a greater range of tone, and is easier to colour, but for a kid the 607f is ideal.

If I took the thick orange lacquer off the 607f, it could be significantly better.  (The 2125 is silver-plated.)

16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / NY Times article on Chuck McAlexander on: Jun 19, 2015, 01:08PM
17  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Tuning a new trombone on: Jun 18, 2015, 07:40PM
Maybe try practising scales & argeggios with your eyes shut to recalibrate the connection between your ears and arm.
18  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Playing Loudly on: Jun 15, 2015, 03:09AM
I had a lightbulb moment recently...
Playing louder does not necessarily require more air.

(Context is playing a large bore tenor in a brass band )

What I mean is that when the trombone part is written forte or louder,  the trombone is usually to be heard clearly.  Letting the sound change toward more sizzle means that it's easier to be heard above other instruments, without necessarily using more air.

I'm not disagreeing with the points made above, but taking a different approach to interpreting the written dynamics.
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: What would you get? on: Jun 14, 2015, 05:09PM
How about a decent microphone and some looping software ?
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Is A King 3B+ Actually .525 When Measured? on: Jun 11, 2015, 01:55AM
I also have a 2125. I don't have gear to measure inside diameter , but the outside diameter of the inners is 0.545  . If the wall thickness is 0.010, then the id would be 0.525  .  The outside diameter of the stockings is 0.553.  The number on the slide is 5911.

I have a 607 as  well, and the slide dimensions are the same.


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