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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: If you had $750 to spend... on: Feb 26, 2017, 11:33AM
I'd get my 3B+/F slide aligned and the whole thing replated. 
(It's currently silver-plated but dull and doesn't hold a shine. Tarnished silver doesn't get the same cudos as brass with patina.)
2  Creation and Performance / Trombonists / Re: More YouTube Trombonists on: Jan 24, 2017, 01:20PM
Paganini Variations - All of the parts!

I imagine this was quite an exercise to put together.

Dale is a trombone student so the trombone parts are well played.


There is some other good stuff on his Youtube channel

3  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Largest community orchestra in the nation?? on: Jan 10, 2017, 03:05PM
There's a brass band near me where they have capped the number of players at 50, and people who go to work during the day can't belong.

4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Less resistance on: Nov 30, 2016, 05:17PM
I haven't seen an M5.1 but it looks comparable to a Bach 5G which is still near the small end of the spectrum for large bore trombones. 
I'm not discounting any of the recommendations to seek advice, but maybe you are suited to a bigger mouthpiece ?

(My own experience so far has been to get progressively more comfortable with my sound, range and dynamics moving from 5G to 4G to 3G.)

5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: King 4bf v Yamaha YSL356g on: Nov 24, 2016, 11:05AM
It looks like it's been around the block a few times.  625 seems a bit high for the visual condition. If cosmetics don't matter to you then these are built very solidly so unless its had serious abuse should play well. Check the inner slide for wear on the stockings though.

The "patina" bits are where the lacquer has worn off. The shinier bits are the original King slightly-orange coloured lacquer.  If you would like to remove and re-apply the lacquer, that King lacquer is REALLY hard to remove. The bell section could be done in a few hours (chemicals may help but a lot of elbow grease will probably still be needed). It would take a LOT of perseverance and time to strip the valve section.

For comparison, check out these sites:

To me it seems that for 1970s to 1990s horns, the price paid for a King 4B/F is typically 60% to 80% that of a Bach 42B or Conn 88H in similar condition.
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Trombones that sound like euphoniums on: Nov 17, 2016, 05:23PM
Some spectral analysis might shed some light on this.

Anyone got a plot for a euphonium ?

Anyone got a plot for a trombone with the bell pointing close to vertical ?

Another factor is that players in some ensembles are encouraged to blend with the euphoniums more often than they are asked to contrast with them. This could be habit-shaping.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: New size mouthpiece for high school on: Nov 17, 2016, 03:08PM
This post comes to mind...

... I took a few masterclasses with the other Canadian tenor trombonist who designs for Yamaha -- ALAIN TRUDEL.

Alain was asked point blank if we should buy HIS mouthpiece. Here is his advice.
-Buy a Bach 6 1/2AL and practice until the plating comes off of the Bach mouthpiece, and then decide FOR YOURSELF if HIS mouthpice is for you.
-Practice as much as you can, and when you're sick of practicing-- then practice some more.
-Play until you're sick of playing-- and then play some more.
-Play until you're exhausted, and then play some more.

And do that EVERY day, until the plating comes off of the Bach 6 1/2AL.
THEN pick a mouthpiece.

DISCLAIMER: Of course, its been a while since Alain Trudel and Pete Sullivan played in high school or college. Things may have changed in a couple of decades. Maybe young tenor trombonists do not have to practice a lot now--- if they find the right mouthpiece agreed upon by their peers.
8  Town Hall / Comments and Suggestions / Re: "The Trombone Forum" header missing on: Oct 17, 2016, 01:12AM
It's working correctly on this side of the Tasman.
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Cheesecloth question on: Oct 09, 2016, 05:07PM
... real cheesecloth is not available over here.

It's known as mutton-cloth in some parts of the world so try searching for that too. 
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Silver Brushed Finish on: Oct 03, 2016, 07:15PM
Do a search on google images for:
boosey and hawkes imperial frosted silver

or substitute "regent"  for "imperial"

Most are much less "frosty" and now appear smoother than when they were new, and a bit grey.  A common occurrence was brass bands issuing these to players who used silver cleaning methods which worked fine on normal silver plate but  destroyed the frosted effect as they were too abrasive.

Foaming silver cleaners which rely less on rubbing worked best (e.g. Twinkle, Haggerty's)

There are a few nicely finished instruments here...
Scroll down for the Lyon and Healy pocket cornet
11  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Lip Slurs on: Oct 03, 2016, 10:58AM
What I've been trying to do lately is play long notes and slurs in a way that I can feel the sound vibrations in my upper chest.  I'm guessing that this means I very got the resonance chamber thing working and a relaxed throat.
Oh - I listen for a good sound as well.

The reason for practicing slurs is that it's a means -not an end (it drives others in the house nuts).
12  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Trumpet in Bb to Tenor trombone range equivalent on: Sep 20, 2016, 03:50AM
Amen to that.  My friend had a 50th birthday party and his wife hired a rock band (a local Garage Band) and invited all of us (most of us are concert band and jazz band musicians) to join them in a jam session.  I wound up the only one who could keep pace with them.  All the tunes they played were in D, A, and E.  I don't think I played a single note in 1st position.

A workaround for this could be an extra long tuning slide to drop the pitch a semitone - an A trombone rather than a Bb trombone.
13  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Trumpet in Bb to Tenor trombone range equivalent on: Sep 19, 2016, 05:04PM

One often overlooked advantage of parts written Bb Treble is that there are 2 fewer flats in the key signature than if it were written in concert pitch. 
(This is probably more useful if you think in Bb than if you don't.)

I haven't done any research but have a hunch that more music is written in keys with flats than keys with sharps (where writing in Bb would be a disadvantage).
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: YSL 612 from ~30 years ago? on: Sep 18, 2016, 06:32PM
Yamaha nomenclature seems vaguely related to the name. My guess is the SL came from "slide" originally.

YTR TRumpet  (incl piccolo)
YCR CoRnet  (incl soprano)
YFH Flugel Horn
YAH Alto Horn (Eb)
YHR french HoRn
YEP EuPhonium
YEB Eb tuba ("Bass" ?)
YBB Bb tuba ("Bass" ?)

15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: King slide- what is it? on: Sep 13, 2016, 02:11PM
Looks the same design as my 607 slide, but mine has no number on it.
16  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: JP or Vivace for student beginner on: Sep 12, 2016, 09:30PM
Here's a link from 2011


I think Vivace instruments were sourced directly from the manufacturer by the NZ distributor before the JP instruments became available in NZ.

They certainly look similar and have similar model numbers.  JP's spin is that the ones with their name have some proprietary quality / design advantages.

I've played next to a couple of students playing with Vivaces and they seem happy.  At $300 it is good buying if everything works, however as it has an f-attachment is probably too heavy for an 8 year old.

A good instrument for him to start on would be a Yamaha ysl-354 or ysl-154, a King 606 or other trombone with 0.500 inch bore
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Technology / Re: Win10 machine suddenly slows to a crawl on: Sep 03, 2016, 01:21PM
I think once you start using diagnostic / repair tools you're on a slippery slope.  Rather than spending a lot of time for them, I'd copy all my files onto a USB and do a clean install of Windows 10.


If you have Win 10 pro, turn on the "Defer Upgrades" option in Windows updates settings.  This means Microsoft will make less use of you as a guinea-pig than otherwise.

Doing the clean install also means that you get rid of bloatware installed by the PC manufacturer.

I've done this on 5 laptops for home use (including 2 very old ones) and Windows 10 works fine.


18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Technology / Re: Win10 machine suddenly slows to a crawl on: Sep 02, 2016, 09:54PM
Could be trying to download or install updates like the millennium upgrade. Leave it running and connected to the Internet for a few hours as a first step.
19  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Doubling on trumpet? on: Aug 28, 2016, 01:04PM
I played cornet for about 20 years, had a few years off then took up trombone.
My take is that cornet / trumpet will build strength in muscles closer to the middle of the mouth than is needed for trombone .
The downside is that this can reduce the flexibility you need in this area for the lower trombone range (for large bore tenor at least).

There are a few people ( probably the 0.01 percentile) which includes james Morrison ,  Maynard etc ) for whom this apparently such an issue.  Ymmv

20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Missed out on a Duo Gravis on: Aug 22, 2016, 03:07AM
With that email address it could be a lemon.
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