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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: 6.5a (small shank) variations on: Aug 13, 2017, 07:07PM
I've noticed that mouthpiece express list the following as small shank mouthpieces, but I've never any seen them discussed on TTF.
- Bach 5
- Bach 5G
- Bach 4
- Bach 4C
- Bach 3

I'm curious how any of them would work on a King 3B+ (0.525 bore). I'm guessing there's a point past which the mouthpiece is too big for the horn and starts screwing up the tuning and partials.

Any experience of these ?
2  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Taxing trumpet playing is killing my Trombone chops.... on: Aug 13, 2017, 03:56PM
You're using the same muscles on both instruments

Based on personal (amateur) impressions and not having any particular expertise in anatomy or embouchure types (but a reasonable grasp of engineering)...

On trumpet you use a lot of muscles near the centre of the mouth to create a firm embouchure by pressing the lips vertically together, pretty much across the whole range of the instrument.

On trombone, for the lower to mid range the muscles near the centre of the embouchure are mainly relaxed and used as a flexible vibrating element, with the muscles outside the mouthpiece playing a major role in setting the tension in the lips (and hence the frequency of vibration i.e. pitch).

Regarding the original question, I think trumpet playing creates more highly developed muscles in the centre of the mouth, which may be an impediment to trombone playing as the developed muscles may be less flexible.

(Note: In an earlier life I played cornet for about 20 years. I struggle with low register on trombone - large bore with a 3G mouthpiece.  Having been working on building a trombone embouchure for about 6 years, my cornet playing now REALLY sucks.)



3  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Our unbalanced POTUS on: Aug 10, 2017, 01:33PM
Oh - I see some work's already been done on a musical...
4  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Our unbalanced POTUS on: Aug 10, 2017, 12:42PM
It might work as a rock musical.  Meat Loaf for the lead role ?

Either way I think Steve Carell would do a good Sean Spicer
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Just curious: Tell me about Tubas? on: Aug 08, 2017, 04:59PM
Tubas - Now available in plastic..  https://www.musik-produktiv.co.uk/cool-wind-tuba-black.html

Also, believe it or not, there is a website where hundreds of people have in depth discussions about tubas:  http://forums.chisham.com/
6  Practice Break / Cool Web Sites / Re: Trombone apps on: Aug 03, 2017, 11:03AM
From Zoom Corporation, and free
7  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: How to get rid of the mildew odor? on: Aug 02, 2017, 08:19PM
On a King coffin type case I re-lined I took all the lining out and it still smelled bad - the smell was coming from the plywood.  Tried deodorisers, vanilla, charcoal , sunlight.  It still smelled.

Used some Resene Timberlock preserver/conditioner paint (sold for treating old, weathered timber weatherboards prior to painting) on the exposed plywood which worked a treat. The Timberlock  itself has its own odor which takes a few days / weeks to dissipate but after that, there is no trace of the original smell.
Here's a link to the label...

I'm not sure what the equivalent product would be in other parts of the world, but here's the ingredient list...
CONTAINS: Xylene 110-125 gms/L, Toluene 40 gms/L, dibutyl phthalate 15-20 gms/L, 3-iodo-2-propynyl butyl carbamate <5 gms/L, 2-(thiocyanomethylthio) benzothiazole <2gms/L, methylene  bisthiocyanate <2gms/L, (2-benzothiazoylthio) butanedoic acid <2gms/L.

After this I'm convinced that the only good treatment for a smelly case is to rip out the existing lining and treat the plywood. 

Good luck

8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Trombonium, tenor horn, or baritone horn? on: Jul 19, 2017, 02:24PM
Wonder if any of the better instruments have "kickers" for the tuning slide to adjust intonation?

The current Besson Prestige has no kicker but is compensating and has a 4th valve to help with tuning...

For comparison, the top range Besson Euphonium has all the bells and whistles...

The lower range baritones from both Besson and Yamaha aren't compensating.

Interestingly Yamaha's Neo (top of the range) doesn't have a 4th valve whereas their next level down YBH-621S does have one. Yamaha's blurb says that they designed the Neo from the bottom up and put a lot of effort into tweaking the sound and player response...
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Trombonium, tenor horn, or baritone horn? on: Jul 17, 2017, 06:33PM
I think the idea is that, while it doesn't sound that much like an oval tenorhorn, the British baritone is a great deal closer than a euphonium would be...

I don't know much about the german horns but maybe he preferred the compensating tuning feature on the Yamaha ?
10  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: trombone reputation takes a hit on: Jul 12, 2017, 07:29PM
Nah - Just the reputation of bass trombones   Evil
11  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Is there anyone out there who tongues with the syllable "thu"? on: Jul 12, 2017, 05:51PM
I'll also say that the "u" in "thu" (or "tu") is bad for tone quality.

Tu might be useful for explaining to learners what to do as Tu requires and aperture and firm corners to say and Ta doesn't.
To me Tu puts the middle an back of the tongue in raised position where the tongue is lower and more relaxed for Ta. Hence Tu would be expected to provide better tone quality.
(Disclaimer: This relates to pronouncing these sound with a New Zealand accent. YMMV)

I struggle to get clear articulation in the trigger register (below F) - Moving the tongue forward of the teeth for attack helps a bit. Maybe I just need to practice more though.
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Rath Pricing? on: Jun 29, 2017, 03:41PM
Here's what Google turned up for me...
There are a few variants of the R4F in the range 4,300 to 4,800 euro

https://www.long-mcquade.com/26111/Band/Trombones/Michael_Rath_Trombones/R4F_-_Tenor_Trombone_with_F_Rotor.htm  CDN$7,125

13  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Cycling on: Jun 27, 2017, 07:35PM
Until now I've been riding my KHS Comp which I bought new in 1995 (steel frame, after market v-brakes, rigid front end)
pretty much like this one:
When I bought it I paid a few hundred $ for a Marzocchi fork with a huge 55mm of travel, but it fell apart after about 12 years so I put the original fork back on.

Last weekend I picked up one of these:
(11 speed derailleur on the back and none on the front, hydraulic disc brakes, fork with adjustable air and rebound)

It cost fewer dollars than the KHS did (never mind the effect of inflation over 22 years). Haven't taken it for a ride in the forest yet but I expect the difference to be night and day (bring on the weekend).  Bikes provide more gadgets for your money than trombones - I guess that's a result of mass production.

I'll be putting some road tyres on the KHS and keeping it for short trips close to home. Apparently 90s mountain bikes have a bit of a following now as classics, especially in the UK.

14  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Our unbalanced POTUS on: Jun 22, 2017, 03:10PM
Are there meds that raise your intelligence, to normal or near normal levels? If so, would the people who need them be smart enough to know it?

Not according to the Dunning-Kruger effect...
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Silver Polish Differences? on: Jun 07, 2017, 03:16PM
Can you get Goddard's in the states?  The Queen uses it, allegedly.

The Queen has a house full of stuff made from solid silver.  The methods she uses might result in accelerated wear of silver plate.

This site has a good overview of types of polish and where they should be used.
16  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: what 'key' is the trombone in? on: May 15, 2017, 04:08PM
With the technology available to music publishers today, it would cost them almost zero to include:
 - in concert band and orchestral arrangements, Bb treble clef trombone parts and tuba parts
 - in brass band arrangements, concert-pitch bass clef parts for trombone and tuba

This would enable ensembles to recruit players from a much bigger pool as there are many capable players out there who can only read one clef.

It could be argued that players of these instruments should be able to read multiple clefs, and many do, but for community groups which struggle to find players (includes 95%+ of brass bands) this would make a big difference.

17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Budget alternatives of King 2B on: May 02, 2017, 04:54PM
There are a coupe of King Tempos on Ebay.  Go to ebay and search: King Tempo trombone nickel

some perspectives on the Tempo here...
18  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Trends in Trombone Sizes on: Apr 30, 2017, 08:02PM
11 pages here to get you started...

19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Worn mouthpiece receiver on Besson 944 or faulty venturi??? on: Apr 30, 2017, 07:37PM
You won't be able to see "evidence" of a leadpipe by looking down the receiver. If you take off the outer slide and look into the end of the inner tube while holding it towards a light source, you should be able to see the edge of the leadpipe. I doubt if the leadpipe is missing; probably just worn.
I have a BE-944R and I can see the downstream end of the leadpipe as described. The end of the leadpipe is about 300mm from the mouthpiece receiver.
The mouthpiece receiver is part of the cork barrel.
The upstream end of the leadpipe is somewhere inside the cork barrel, but I can't see where.

There is no visible taper in the leadpipe - I suspect that the venturi is large relative to the bore of the inner.

It's interesting that the supplied mouthpiece was a 4AL which is similar in size to a 3G. After frustration with a Faxx 4G I'm now playing a Bach 3G which gives me overall better results (more controllable timbre and volume, more stable low range, less double buzz) although the sound is a little duller than I would like in the upper register.  I read in an old thread that Brett Baker played and endorsed the BE-944 but it used to go back to the factory for tweaking. I would be interested in knowing what modifications it had.

20  Town Hall / Notices from TTF Members / European Brass Band Championships - Livestream on: Apr 27, 2017, 02:24PM
The European Brass Band Championships will be livestreamed this weekend from Belgium.
There is a cost for viewing (AU$15.00), but it's guaranteed to last longer than a boxing match.

Here's the schedule:
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