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1  Town Hall / Comments and Suggestions / Re: "The Trombone Forum" header missing on: Oct 17, 2016, 01:12AM
It's working correctly on this side of the Tasman.
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Cheesecloth question on: Oct 09, 2016, 05:07PM
... real cheesecloth is not available over here.

It's known as mutton-cloth in some parts of the world so try searching for that too. 
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Silver Brushed Finish on: Oct 03, 2016, 07:15PM
Do a search on google images for:
boosey and hawkes imperial frosted silver

or substitute "regent"  for "imperial"

Most are much less "frosty" and now appear smoother than when they were new, and a bit grey.  A common occurrence was brass bands issuing these to players who used silver cleaning methods which worked fine on normal silver plate but  destroyed the frosted effect as they were too abrasive.

Foaming silver cleaners which rely less on rubbing worked best (e.g. Twinkle, Haggerty's)

There are a few nicely finished instruments here...
Scroll down for the Lyon and Healy pocket cornet
4  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Lip Slurs on: Oct 03, 2016, 10:58AM
What I've been trying to do lately is play long notes and slurs in a way that I can feel the sound vibrations in my upper chest.  I'm guessing that this means I very got the resonance chamber thing working and a relaxed throat.
Oh - I listen for a good sound as well.

The reason for practicing slurs is that it's a means -not an end (it drives others in the house nuts).
5  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Trumpet in Bb to Tenor trombone range equivalent on: Sep 20, 2016, 03:50AM
Amen to that.  My friend had a 50th birthday party and his wife hired a rock band (a local Garage Band) and invited all of us (most of us are concert band and jazz band musicians) to join them in a jam session.  I wound up the only one who could keep pace with them.  All the tunes they played were in D, A, and E.  I don't think I played a single note in 1st position.

A workaround for this could be an extra long tuning slide to drop the pitch a semitone - an A trombone rather than a Bb trombone.
6  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Trumpet in Bb to Tenor trombone range equivalent on: Sep 19, 2016, 05:04PM

One often overlooked advantage of parts written Bb Treble is that there are 2 fewer flats in the key signature than if it were written in concert pitch. 
(This is probably more useful if you think in Bb than if you don't.)

I haven't done any research but have a hunch that more music is written in keys with flats than keys with sharps (where writing in Bb would be a disadvantage).
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: YSL 612 from ~30 years ago? on: Sep 18, 2016, 06:32PM
Yamaha nomenclature seems vaguely related to the name. My guess is the SL came from "slide" originally.

YTR TRumpet  (incl piccolo)
YCR CoRnet  (incl soprano)
YFH Flugel Horn
YAH Alto Horn (Eb)
YHR french HoRn
YEP EuPhonium
YEB Eb tuba ("Bass" ?)
YBB Bb tuba ("Bass" ?)

8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: King slide- what is it? on: Sep 13, 2016, 02:11PM
Looks the same design as my 607 slide, but mine has no number on it.
9  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: JP or Vivace for student beginner on: Sep 12, 2016, 09:30PM
Here's a link from 2011


I think Vivace instruments were sourced directly from the manufacturer by the NZ distributor before the JP instruments became available in NZ.

They certainly look similar and have similar model numbers.  JP's spin is that the ones with their name have some proprietary quality / design advantages.

I've played next to a couple of students playing with Vivaces and they seem happy.  At $300 it is good buying if everything works, however as it has an f-attachment is probably too heavy for an 8 year old.

A good instrument for him to start on would be a Yamaha ysl-354 or ysl-154, a King 606 or other trombone with 0.500 inch bore
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Technology / Re: Win10 machine suddenly slows to a crawl on: Sep 03, 2016, 01:21PM
I think once you start using diagnostic / repair tools you're on a slippery slope.  Rather than spending a lot of time for them, I'd copy all my files onto a USB and do a clean install of Windows 10.


If you have Win 10 pro, turn on the "Defer Upgrades" option in Windows updates settings.  This means Microsoft will make less use of you as a guinea-pig than otherwise.

Doing the clean install also means that you get rid of bloatware installed by the PC manufacturer.

I've done this on 5 laptops for home use (including 2 very old ones) and Windows 10 works fine.


11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Technology / Re: Win10 machine suddenly slows to a crawl on: Sep 02, 2016, 09:54PM
Could be trying to download or install updates like the millennium upgrade. Leave it running and connected to the Internet for a few hours as a first step.
12  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Doubling on trumpet? on: Aug 28, 2016, 01:04PM
I played cornet for about 20 years, had a few years off then took up trombone.
My take is that cornet / trumpet will build strength in muscles closer to the middle of the mouth than is needed for trombone .
The downside is that this can reduce the flexibility you need in this area for the lower trombone range (for large bore tenor at least).

There are a few people ( probably the 0.01 percentile) which includes james Morrison ,  Maynard etc ) for whom this apparently such an issue.  Ymmv

13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Missed out on a Duo Gravis on: Aug 22, 2016, 03:07AM
With that email address it could be a lemon.
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Demise of the 88H on: Aug 06, 2016, 03:05PM
I get the feeling that the creators of the Getzen 4047IB see it as the spiritual successor to the Elkhart 88H.

Chris hinted at this in this thread...
Ian said to me that his Getzen is like a Conn would have been if they had not moved from Elkhart and continued to develop the model. ...

In this video
they hardly mention the word Conn. The characteristics they were seeking included:
 - ability to colour the tone 
 - ability to blend
 - minimise the need to adjust the embouchure moving from the upper-mid to high range
 - sounds the same from behind the bell as in front

15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Small-medium bore trombones with F valves on: Jul 28, 2016, 02:25PM
0.525  King 607 (yellow bell) and 608 (gold bell)

Sold as learner models but don't play too differently to the 3B+

They play more like a bigger small-bore than a smaller large bore.
16  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Visiting New Zealand on: Jul 26, 2016, 03:17AM
Hi Mike

A good way to plan your trip might be to get a copy of the NZ Lonely Planet book. 

Being a long narrow country most people start their travels in the North (you'll probably fly into Auckland) and finish in the South, or vice versa. To see a reasonable part of both islands by road I would recommend at least 3 weeks.  Some people take months. The following is roughly in order from North to South.

You'll need a vehicle if you want to see out of the way places.  Many use campervans for a tour of NZ.

Roads are generally not motorways, but 2 lane roads with a 100km/h speed limit, and pass through lots of towns.  This link will help figure out how long it takes to get places:

Although the North Island and South Island are of similar area, The South island has about 25% of the people and 75% of the scenery

Given your interests, I think you'll want to minimise the amount of time spent in the cities

Bay of Islands 3 hours drive North of Auckland are a popular tourist spot, with the main activity being scenic boat trips.  The main other attraction is the history around colonisation. If you're trading off going here vs spending more time in the South Island, I'd pick the South.

For mountain biking, Rotorua has a great collection of purpose-built single tracks (best place in NZ) which are rideable in all weather because of the free-draining pumice soil.

Matamata advertises itself as Hobbiton, however all there is to see is the set for Bilbo's house. Most of the scenic mountain locations are elsewhere in the country - mainly in the South Island.  Here's how to find the others:

For North Island hiking with LOTR significance you could do some of the walks at the link below.  Mount Ngauruhoe is Mt Doom.

The ferry across Cook Strait is worth doing during daytime to catch the scenery. About an hour of the 3 hour trip is through the Marlborough Sounds.

In the upper South Island, you can either travel to Kaikoura on the East Coast which is a popular whale-watching destination, or head west to Nelson. The Abel Tasman National Park offers hiking or sea-kayaking around the coast.  For glaciers, you'll head from there down the West Coast to the Fox Glacier and Franz Josef Glacier.  These glaciers go almost down to sea level.  You can take a guided walk onto the ice - they provide crampons and ice-axe. If you want to do a helicopter ride anywhere, this is the place. The West Coast has high annual rainfall but is spectacular even when it's raining.  However you could get a week with no rain.  A hiking trip you can do from near Fox Glacier is about a 4 hour walk to the Douglas (? I think) hut which is by natural hot pools.

Near Nelson there is this fairly new cycle trail:

From the glaciers you can head to Wanaka and Queenstown which are lakeside ski resorts - popular in all seasons.  Queenstown has a multitude of tourist attractions.

There are various old railway routes around Central Otago which have been converted to cycleways - mostly gentle easy riding.

For hiking in the Fiordland area, check out some of these:
If you are interested in the Routeburn but it's booked out or you don't want to do the full length, a (fairly long) day trip can be to start from the Lake Howden end of the track, walk to the Harris Saddle and exit using the Deadman's track.  You'll need to organise transport at either end.  A cool place to base yourself for a couple of nights would be here:

If you're into feats of engineering, the (underground) Manapouri Power Station is great.

Given that you're probably pushed for time Invercargill and Dunedin could be given a miss unless you want to go to Stewart Island, and you would see more interesting landscapes returning to Christchurch via the Lindis Pass and Mount Cook.

The weather is best from January to March, with fewer crowds at the tourist destinations from mid Feb onward.

Unfortunately New Zealand has no trombone shopping destinations of note.

Good luck with your planning.

17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: XO Brass Fedchock Horn on: Jul 25, 2016, 11:18AM
fedchock  is TALL  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good observation

... and he plays with the bell pointing downward more than most.  Maybe front-heavy is ok for this .
18  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: what is perfect pitch and do you have it? on: Jul 24, 2016, 09:14PM
I rate myself as reasonably good at hearing intervals.  It's how I play by ear.

If I test my perfect pitch before play my first note, I'm always wrong by about a tone.

My 11 year old kid seems to be a lot better with perfect pitch (without training - just by osmosis mainly from playing the piano).  I was whistling the theme from Ghostbusters this morning and he told me I was too high.
19  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Visiting New Zealand on: Jul 23, 2016, 01:29PM
Can you give us some idea of what sort of things you like, and I can probably provide a better response.
E.g mountains / glaciers /   surfing / old buildings / museums/ LOTR (don't' worry, that's optional) / wildlife

20  Creation and Performance / Music, Concerts and Recordings / Re: New Zealand Brass Band Championships livestreamed on: Jul 17, 2016, 04:07PM
There is national register of players and each player is registered with a band. Players have to be registered with the band they play for except that bands are allowed to field up to two "assisting musicians" who are registered for another band. When playing on stage the assisting musicians generally wear the uniform of the band they are registered with (although I don't think this is a requirement in the rules).  D grade bands are allowed an additional two assistants from bands in the D or C grade but not above.

Some of the more financially healthy bands use this rule to bring soloists from overseas. One of these was Matthew van Emmerik who played euphonium for Woolston Brass. He's recently been appointed to Cameron University in Oklahoma so you might hear more of him.

Others notable euphonium soloists in the A grade included:
Byron Newton  (  http://www.nzeuphonium.com/) Plays for Wellington, also assisted North Shore Brass because their regular player couldn't attend because of illness at short notice. He had never played the North Shore own choice piece until a day or two before the performance, but you couldn't tell. 
Riki McDonnell (http://www.musicways.co.nz/riki/  ) - Played for Waitakere, and won the prize for best solo in a test piece.

Some people don't particularly enjoy marching and might claim a back injury or something.

More comments on the performances can be found at:

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