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1  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: Broken left hand on: Today at 12:51 PM
Thanks for the advice everyone! I'll be up in Albany, but obviously I can't start yet. I called them to push my start date further back.
2  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: Broken left hand on: Today at 10:01 AM
(facepalm) Of course! I didn't think about that! I got a euph, and it doesn't way too much. Hopefully my right sore shoulder will let me comfortably lift my right hand up to the valves. I first want to spend time relaxing. And I'll drive...wait...I'll have somebody else drive me to Walmart for a pair of Velcro shoes.
3  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: Broken left hand on: Yesterday at 05:41 PM
Congrats on the teaching job!  Sucks that you had the accident, definitely does not suck that you had only relatively minor injuries.
Thanks! It'll be scary because it's a choir position, and I've mostly been a band guy. But it's exciting! And I'm glad I could walk away from the accident.

Have you looked into an Ergobone? http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=90174.0
You know, I've always heard of the ergobone, but thought it was something different, like a trombone with an ergonomic gooseneck. Thanks for clearing that up. But I don't think I can even use that until I get out of my cast. If my hand can't support a trombone by that point, then I'll look into this.
4  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Broken left hand on: Yesterday at 08:05 AM
Good news: I got my first full time teaching job! So, I have to move. I set up viewings and headed out to see places starting Thursday. Bad news: On my way to my 3rd of 20th viewing (over the course of 2 days), it was raining and snowing pretty hard, so the roads were very slick. I lost traction on a back-road bend, kept going straight, and crashed into a tree head on, totaling my car. Good news (with a dash of bad news): I only broke 2 bones in my left hand, and am sore, along with whiplash. No crippling injuries, no brain damage. All-in-all, I'm very grateful that I could walk away from my first car accident. But, I have a temporary cast on my left hand, and have to get a real cast put on Monday. So, no trombone playing for this guy.

Just looking for any advice on dealing with being one-handed for a while. Don't know how long I'll be in the cast til I see the orthopedist. So far, there are so many little tasks I took for granted that are now hard to do, like buttoning your pants, putting on shoes, etc. Good thing is that I'm right-handed, so I can still do things for the most part.

And to everyone out there, please, please, please drive safe. Regardless if you play trombone or are just a random person leafing through this forum, please, please, please be careful when you drive.
5  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS: Getzen Super Deluxe Tenor Trombone on: Feb 07, 2018, 06:11PM
Beautiful horn, and nice job cleaning it up. If I didn't already own one of these silver Artist models, I'd jump on this one.
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Olds Super Silver "Hawaiian" on: Feb 01, 2018, 11:50AM
I don't consider myself an expert by any means on Olds horns or history, but comparing just one of those silver Supers to the several Supers I tried ( LA, Fullerton, mint, not so mint, friction fit, different bell/slide combos ) until settling on the one I own now I would say they ( or it ) felt just like a really good Super. I don't recall anything else besides that. I equated the biggest difference besides manufacturing inconsistencies to be the fact that it was silver plated instead of lacquered. A silver plated Ambassador was also my favorite Ambassador until I happened upon the one I own now, which happens to not have much lacquer on it...

Thank you for the input. The one silver Super I found for sale (possibly) is in Portugal, and since these are hard to come by, any feedback is appreciated.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Olds Super Silver "Hawaiian" on: Jan 31, 2018, 05:36PM
Hello! I got a question, especially for Olds aficionados. I hope Euphanasia, Brer Cottonmouth, Mr. Zoot Suit, and tsmart see this.

So after being deep in the Olds world for a while, I only recently found out about Olds Supers that are entirely silver, including the tone band. It looks like these were nicknamed the Hawaiian model, and apparently are pretty rare. There's not much information online about this model, but I did find a few old threads on here that had some great pictures. And instead of reviving an old thread, I thought it was time to make a new one.

So, question time. What do these Hawaiian models sound and feel like? And what do they compare to a regular Super? Anybody have any feedback they'd like to share?

The only Super experience I have is with my great Super, that says it's an LA model, but was made in 1959. So either it was made in Fullerton with leftover LA parts after the move, or it really is an LA model and the serial number list is off a little bit (I know serial numbers are not an exact science).
8  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: Eb/Bb Trigger Alto Trombone (O'Malley) on: Jan 22, 2018, 07:33PM
Just letting you know, according to O'Malley's website, these go new for $995, with payment plans as well: https://omalleymusicalinstruments.com/shop/brass/trombones/omalley-alto-trombone-ebbb-trigger/. The $1595 retail price you're thinking of is probably just that typical high-end retail price made to look like you're scoring a great deal with the manufacturer and/or seller. I worked in retail a lot and saw this happen all the time. I have a lot of friends who saw the same thing while working in music stores as well. How much did you pay for this horn? A good rule of rule of thumb is lowering the price 5-10% lower than a major distributor if the horn is brand new. If it's used, then dropping the price 15-20% is a good start, lowering the price depending on how much wear and tear and/or repairs are needed. Would you also be able to give some feedback on the horn? Possibly comparing it to how other altos sound/feel? There's not much information out there on O'Malley's brand, seven on this forum, so a first-hand account would be a great insight to this brand.
9  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: WTB/T: Old, Cheap Tuba on: Jan 01, 2018, 01:47PM
I would sell this but I'm not sure how I'd ship it.

This is an institutional, visibly worn, 3-valve King tuba

I've read in the past that many tuba sellers/buyers use Greyhound shipping services (yes, the bus company). More affordable so I've heard. Never used them myself. The buyer would have to go to their Greyhound station to pick up the tuba.

I sold a sousaphone case this way last month on eBay using Greyhound's service. It is by far the cheapest way to go with shipping very large, bulky, heavy items. The tracking information is a nightmare because not all Greyhound's will scan these items. Also, if there's no room for your big item you're shipping, it has to wait on the side at a station up to a week at times just for free space to appear because people come first before packages. My case was held up in Texas for over a week because of this, while not getting scanned, which made it seem like it disappeared from their system. But it showed up eventually. In a time crunch? Choose UPS or FedEx instead, but sometimes 4 times as much for shipping costs.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Should I sell my King 2B or Olds Studio? on: Nov 27, 2017, 12:09PM
Hey all. Thank you very much for all of the input. I agree that the 2B is a more versatile horn, and the Studio is the lightest most powerful horn I've ever played. However, I have decided to part with both horns. The Studio is a pending sale right now with another forum member, and even though I love it, I'm OK with saying goodbye to it. I had some real doubts with selling the 2B Liberty, especially since it's in great condition, but I've only played it a handful of times, and it deserves to go to a good home. (The times I played it were great though.) Plus, I feel more comfortable playing my 3B Silversonic, or my Olds Super or Getzen Sterling Artist if I want to go to a smaller bore. And since I already have 9 horns, and just spent a chunk of change on getting a Rath bass and Rath tenor, it really is time to thin the herd (and offset the cost a bit). I have a friend that is currently holding onto my 2B, and he most likely will purchase; he's had it for about 2 months and it's now being played more than I ever played it in my 2 year ownership. If he decides the setup is not for him, I'll throw it up on the forum.

Iíve sold horns I enjoyed when I was cleaning and/or needed the money really bad to pay rent, and then regretted it a few years later. If you arenít short in cash and have the room for them, just hold onto them both. That being said 2Bís and studios arenít too hard to come by on eBay for pretty cheap. Personally I think the 2B is a more versatile horn than the Studios Iíve tried (was always interested in the design of them), so might be worth it to hold onto your beloved horns little sibling, just in case. My two cents...
The only regret I have with saying goodbye to my Studio is that a dear friend sold it to me who has since passed away. But because I have already replaced this horn with a pristine Olds Ambassador trigger horn, I'm fine with passing it on. The 3B Silversonic that he sold to me just before he left this earth has major sentimental value however, and is a wonderful horn that I promise never to sell. And because I use my 3B a lot, I just do not need a 2B taking up space not being played, even if it is a solid lead horn. I still will have 6 horns that I will keep in rotation though.
11  Practice Break / Found on the 'Net / Re: Conn Coprion on: Oct 25, 2017, 11:46AM
What model? 18h? I tried to grab one of those a couple months ago, just to see what it sounds/feels like.

I have no idea. I have never seen one of these Coprions in real life, and I'm ok with that because I'm set with all of my horns right now. The herd is too big as it is. I just know that there a bunch of people out there who love these horns. I'm not posting the horn for sale, so any questions about it will have to be directed to the seller.
12  Practice Break / Found on the 'Net / Conn Coprion on: Oct 24, 2017, 07:56PM
I was looking around Facebook Marketplace and came across a Conn Coprion for $250. It looks like it's in pretty good shape for a great price. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1578882548840038
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Tuning in Slide vs. Tuning in Bell on: Oct 14, 2017, 06:21PM
I'm glad this thread had some traffic. Thanks for all of your comments.

Moving the tuning mechanism to the handslide allows an instrument designer a few different options. As you mentioned, it allows a smoother expansion of tubing in the bell section, without adding two cylindrical sections. It also gives a manufacturer different options for placement (or non-placement) of braces in the bell section. On a horn like a Conn 70H or a Greenhoe with TIS, the large opera-wheel mechanism adds quite a bit of bracing and mass to the slide, too. This often necessitates a lighter bell in order to balance the playing characteristics of the horn. All of these things have an effect on the resonance, tone and playability of an instrument.

Not a better way of making an instrument, just a different way. As with any instrument, play a few first and decide whether that style is for you.

I went to Dillon's today and had some fun with the bass trombones over there. I finally tried out a Kanstul 1662i they had with TIS. It played great, and it did feel like the mechanisms were heavy, with a fairly light bell. The slide was not as heavy as I thought it would be. The sound was very hard to place, and like a lot of people said on this thread, it's a completely different animal. Great sound, but not what I was looking for. I had my eyes on an independent Bach 50A3 with Hagmann valves, but it was not a good fit for me. I ended up finally making a choice of dependent Rath R9 with Hagmann valves. I was so used to independent F/Gb/D, but this sounded so great. Just the right amount of warmth, great projection, it can bite great...there were so many great things about it. Probably the big winner, aside from what I liked about the sound, was the ease of playing in the basement with the valves; they were so open feeling, even more than the inline independent version of this horn.

Cliff Notes version: I finally was able to try out TIS firsthand on some different horns. The sound is great, but not what I was looking for. And, I'm happy I finally got a great horn, even though I wasn't expecting to fall in love with first blow from the Rath R9 I picked.
14  Practice Break / Cool Web Sites / adhuntr.com on: Oct 12, 2017, 08:07PM
Hello all. I mentioned this in a post somewhere, but I thought I could give you all a PSA. I've used adhuntr.com for a long time and thought I would mention it here. If you ever wanted to search for something on Craigslist, but search all the cities instead of just selecting one city, then go to www.adhuntr.com. I've found many trombone and non-trombone related things on this website. I live in New York, and if I found something I wanted in, let's say Texas, through this Craigslist search engine, I could contact the seller. Usually Craigslist sellers do not want to ship their items and usually want cash, but if I explained myself and how I came across their listing, and proved I'm a real person with knowledge of the item, and supplied a phone number and email, then the sellers always cooperated with me and accepted PayPal and shipped the items to me. One time a California man would only either accept a check or cash in the mail for a bass trombone mute (he was selling a barely used Jo-Ral copper bottom straight mute for $10 so yes I was willing to risk it), and because I supplied my number, we talked on the phone about the trombone world and he was willing to do business with me. Of course, this is my experience. Use at your own risk and have fun looking for things all over the country.
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Tuning in Slide vs. Tuning in Bell on: Oct 09, 2017, 10:11AM
As soon as I posted this, I found a great explanation through the Horn Guys. But any other information is still welcome.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Tuning in Slide vs. Tuning in Bell on: Oct 09, 2017, 10:09AM
Hey all. Just had a question. I'm currently shopping for a bass trombone and came across a few older horns with tuning in the slide. The newest horn I found with this tuning mechanism is the Kanstul 1662 and 1662i. I'll be testing horns out this weekend at Dillon's to get an idea of what feels better on my tenor lips, but after playing on my Mack Brass for a few years, I know I want to stay with inline independent double triggers and a .562 single bore. My question is what is the point of in slide tuning? I found a few posts in random threads talking about how these types of horns have a conical bell, making the tubing leading up the bell having a smoother expansion. Can anybody shed some more light on the differences between these trombones? And has anybody played both as a side-by side comparison and can give first-hand experience about the advantages and disadvantages of each kind?
17  Practice Break / Found on the 'Net / Double Bell Schiller Trombone on: Sep 23, 2017, 07:43AM
I randomly came across this trombone online. Never saw a double bell trombone before. And the trigger looks interesting.
https://reverb.com/item/4286063-schiller-studio-bandleader-double-bell-trombone-gold?gclid=CjwKCAjwjJjOBRBVEiwAfvnvBCaihTuxiNtG3Q-REZopfBjFMyQx_25knB9-PnVMLd_a4hlTA_q20RoCrXQQAvD_BwE
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Purchasing Soprano Trombone suggestions please! on: Sep 22, 2017, 12:05PM
I picked up a Jean Baptiste soprano trombone off eBay. I was lucky and snagged it for $40 because the seller thought it was broken when it was only missing a screw. Mine plays great, especially after an alignment from my tech guy. I would also use adhuntr.com. It's a search engine website for Craigslist, but all the cities at the same time. I got a bunch of deals, even though I usually had to explain in detail to the seller how a New York guy was contacting him about an item on the other side of the country. After I explained myself, the sellers always shipped to me, even if they said they wouldn't in their listings.
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: What's the difference between Olds 1 and Olds 1* mouthpieces? on: Sep 20, 2017, 08:07PM
Last night I tried out my Olds Ambassador A-20 in a community orchestra since I just got it back from the shop, and tried out the Olds 1 * mouthpiece that came with it. Man, I was able to blend wonderfully, get soft without loosing tone, and get loud without red-lining (which I was trying to do for a few measures for "research purposes"). I am so happy with this horn. And the mouthpiece is great. It feels just like my other Olds 1 mouthpiece though, so I could not tell the difference, except that one has less wear than the other. Any ideas on what the difference is, if there is one?
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / What's the difference between Olds 1 and Olds 1* mouthpieces? on: Sep 17, 2017, 09:33AM
When I was searching for the perfect mouthpiece for my Olds Super a few years ago, I bought an Olds 1 mouthpiece from a fellow forum member, and I couldn't be happier. 2 weeks ago, I bought an Olds Ambassador A-20, with the F-attachment, and included was an Olds 1* mouthpiece, with a different style of writing than my other mouthpiece. After some research, including on this forum, I found out that the 1* was the standard to be included with the A-20, but that was about it. There may be some slight difference in manufacturing, but that was unclear online. Anybody know what the difference is, if there is a difference?

Here are some pictures of the mouthpieces: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e73mtdh16pmmcp9/AADN83UkleF5dnFefeGLD-4Ha?dl=0
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