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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Double valve tenor on: Dec 07, 2017, 01:15PM
Mick Rath made a 2 valve R4F for. Actually, it is the double bell trombone in my avatar.
When I don't need the second bell I can put in a D slide and have a Bb-F-D tenor.
I wasn't expecting it to be as good as it is because I was mainly after a good, full range double bell instrument.
I use it quite a lot. I wouldn't use it for 1st trombone in an orchestra but for a smallish bass, it's great.
I personally think the Rath build (Hagmann valves, no bracing in the tuning slide area) keep the weight light enough to make it work. It still sounds like a tenor.

2  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Till Eulenspiegel on: Jul 05, 2017, 01:10PM
Henry Charles Smith gave me a great tip years ago that really helped me with this passage.

1. accent every 1st note of the triplet
2. accent every 2nd note of the triplet
3. accent every 3rd note of the triplet

Begin slowly and gradually increase speed. If you can do all three of these near normal speed this passage should be much easier for you.
Good luck.

3  Creation and Performance / Trombonists / Re: Ray Anderson on: May 13, 2017, 01:46PM
Ray Anderson and George Lewis are truly two of the greatest bone players to ever pic up the horn. i consider them massively inspirational!
George told me he and Ray learned to play trombone together, as beginners, in the same school band.
How about that?
BTW, George wrote a solo piece for me last year, I hope to record it soon.
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Double Bell Trombone! on: Jan 12, 2017, 03:29PM
I'm guessing by who is playing it that this is another Rath experiment.
This was my first attempt which I quickly gave up on. The idea was to use trumpet mutes with an alto sackbut bell. Like all bells that go out of the (cylindrical) F tuning slide, the partials are not in tune.
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Double Bell Trombone! on: Jan 12, 2017, 03:19PM
might be better with .525
It can be a .525. I have an R3 slide and bell that I can put on it. The top bell is an R3 anyway, so it would then be a complete, double bell R3F. Is it better? Depends on the musical situation. I usually use an R4 slide and bell but that's just me.
6  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Notation in Sciarinno's "Introduzione All'Oscuro" on: Dec 08, 2016, 02:21PM
Without seeing the explanation notes, (which may be in the the score, for instance) I would say;

the first instance is a wawa trill, fast oscillations of open and closed. Same thing at bar 227 and 228 but from slow to fast

for the second, I would blow on the mouthpiece stem and use the cup as a wawa (I'm not 100% sure about this one but it seems feasible)

the third is an air sound with flutter-tongue modulated with the wawa, closed to open.

As I said at first, there are usually directions somewhere, in the score or separately from the publisher.
If not, you just have to be creative.

Also, the "open" on pencil is wrong, unless you want to take out the mute to put the horn on a stand while you blow on the mouthpiece. You would have to put it in again at bar 227.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Do you still have your first instrument? on: Dec 03, 2016, 10:53AM
My first trombone was an Olds Super from 1936, the one with the bear playing trombone as a counter-weight.
It was my grandfather's and he gave it to me when I started in 5th grade. I was kind of embarrassed because it wasn't nice and shiny like the other kid's new King Clevelands and Olds Ambassadors. In fact, I had no idea what I had but I sill have it and no, I don't want to sell it.
8  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Recommendations for Exercise Book? on: Jun 30, 2016, 03:37PM
In addition to Arban;
Simone Mantia "The Trombone Virtuoso"
Edwin Franko Goldman "Practical Studies for Cornet" Great tonguing exercises with pages and pages of 16ths.
Walter Smith "Top Tones for the Modern Trumpeter" Fantastic studies for technique, in every key. 16ths galore.
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Greg Black New York Series on: Apr 27, 2016, 02:40PM
A not so minor part of the variance between the NY series and the regular series is the throat and shank taper, which is a lot more "open" on the NY series than the regular series.

It's the other way around, the standard series has a more open back bore than the NY series.

NY = no. 1 back bore
standard = no. 3 back bore, more open near the throat, like a coke bottle.
10  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Double Buzz on purpose on: Apr 13, 2016, 01:34PM
Xenakis is just great..:sorry...I get excited...

you're not the only one
11  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Double Buzz on purpose on: Mar 18, 2016, 09:48AM
That would be really fantastic! I remember the broadcast being great! Would it be for the Fabrik label? Those releases are all so nice.

Yes, if it came on CD it would be on our Wergo/Musikfabrik/WDR series which we call "Edition Musikfabrik". That would take some time because we are in the process of releasing the next 10 CDs, all with cover artwork and a poster from Gerhard Richter.

Another possibility would be to put it on our Label which is our streaming service on the website. There are some nice recordings on that.

I'll see if I can get the edited recording, the one that was broadcast. I could probably send it to you if no one tells.

Sorry more tangents unrelated to split tones- I love that piece!!

YES, me too! What a great piece and almost nobody in the trombone world knows it. Maybe we should start a new EARTH thread.

12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Cardboard Mutes on: Mar 17, 2016, 03:57PM
Wallace and Peter Gane both make excellent cardboard mutes.
13  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Double Buzz on purpose on: Mar 17, 2016, 04:40AM
I'll have to try the string one again. I think I gave up too quickly! Did I hear correctly that y'all are recording it?

We did EARTH last year in a WDR concert, so it was recorded. I made a click track for it and we played with that which made getting things together so much easier. Unfortunately, I was off in the 4th section for a while in the concert. This section was good in the GP but didn't have the energy of the concert. It was broadcast on a the radio and I was actually quite surprised how good it came out. I'm not sure if it's good enough for a CD, so we're thinking of recording it again.

You really need a string for 3 of the 6 movements, that's half of the piece!
14  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Double Buzz on purpose on: Mar 16, 2016, 04:15PM
Matt, I do the 1st, 3rd and 5th "movements" of EARTH with a string. Just a simple string with a loop and a square knot at each end. This is pretty awkward at first but I've gotten fairly good at it.

I don't really have the opportunity to play Euphonium very much, unfortunately, I love playing it. The privilege tones are supposed to be different so maybe that would give different splits, I'll have to check it out.

Yes, the 2:1 split slides down to about an F or F# and a pedal Bb? I find it hard to locate these pitches. I've never had a composer ask for this one, not yet.

that was a long winded response...sorry!...got excited...

Don't worry, there's not a lot of people I can talk about this stuff with!
15  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Double Buzz on purpose on: Mar 16, 2016, 02:20PM
I worked a bit with Mike Svoboda on the split tone section of his book (soon to be released from Bärenreuther).

We were interested in why the lower harmonic of a spit tone is a half step higher than it should be. For example, a 3/2 split tone on F with the Bb below sounding, will sound F - B, a tritone instead of a perfect fifth. A 4/3 split tone with a Bb - F will sound Bb - F# and so on, 5/4, 6/5 etc. The lower tone is always a half step higher.
Mike, Steve Menotti and I all experimented with different split tones and this was the case with all three of us. I've heard that there are players who can get the real interval but haven't heard them myself. I have been working on it myself and think it may be possible but I'm not 100% sure. 

My theory is that the lower tone resonates on the B harmonic series, starting on double pedal B in first position. This is only a theory, though and I have absolutely no scientific proof to back it up.

For me this is quite an important phenomenon. I have to play split tones quite often and usually "in time". It really helps me to hear the interval before I play it. So, if I transpose the written lower tone up a half step, I find the split tone responds better. EARTH is a good example of this. I asked Richard if the spit tone intervals in EARTH are important and he said, no, it is more important to get a rich, complex split sound.

Some composers do write for these intervals, though so this can be a problem.

What are your thoughts here, Matt?
16  Town Hall / Comments and Suggestions / Re: Announcing: TromboneChat on: Mar 07, 2016, 10:58AM
I finally got it on the 3rd try.
I am not color blind and consider myself way above average when it comes to solving puzzles, especially graphic ones. Maybe I just over think these captha things, every time I try to do them, I put down what I see and it tells me it isn't correct, very frustrating.
17  Town Hall / Comments and Suggestions / Re: Announcing: TromboneChat on: Mar 06, 2016, 07:59AM
I've tried to register twice and can't break the captcha code. I hate those things!
I'm starting to loose interest in joining at all.
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Purchasing a new Greg Black m'pce on: Mar 01, 2016, 04:30AM
I also have had only good experiences. I have been dealing with him for years. I always communicate through facebook. He usually answers the same day. We have also skyped. Just got a new piece today. Best thing is just to go straight to the source.

Same here. I've sent him emails, to which he hasn't answered but he is always responded very quickly over facebook.
19  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Unexpected success with a Max Schlossberg exercise? on: Feb 24, 2016, 01:22PM
Maybe it's like the Louis Maggio method, where the low notes (in his case, pedals) help to get the high notes more relaxed. I'm convinced ONE of the main problems of a good high register is keeping relaxed enough.

In my case, I've been able to nail high Fs as long as I can remember, but above a high G or so things just kind of peter out. I've tried many exercises over the years but I've never been able to break this barrier. Recently, I've started doing the Maggio method and for the first time ever, I'm starting to get relatively solid double high Bbs.
This has showed me that I was just to tense before. The Maggio exercises are are teaching me to stay relaxed enough to get these notes.

So, this Schlossberg exercise may have a similar effect.
20  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Playing with harmon mute... on: Feb 23, 2016, 12:43PM
My feeling here is it is best to get used to this playing position, it is actually much more comfortable than you'd think.

I recommend doing some of your normal practice (scales, arpeggios, long tones, etc.) with the harmon or plunger so you really feel comfortable with it. If you are sitting down you can rest your elbow on your knee (like Chet Baker) to rest if it gets too tiring. Eventually you will build up these muscles and it will feel just as comfortable as the normal playing position.

Think of how tired your left arm gets holding your trombone after taking a few weeks break. It always takes a few days for me to get it back to normal again. Same thing here.
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