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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Case suggestions/BAM case problem on: Jul 18, 2015, 12:26PM
Is that bad for the horn? How so?

I'm not sure if it is bad, I just have a funny feeling about it. I have used the case with my Rath and nothing bad has ever happened. I just don't think it is optimal. Also, I have molded the slide padding so the trigger lever fits in it better.
I forgot, there is another problem, kind of. The bell section rests on Rath slide receiver turn key. Not really a problem unless the horn falls and gets a good bang. I can imagine the slide receiver may get damaged in this case (pun). I suppose one could put some extra padding between the case and goose neck.

Like I said, it does work. If you can live with the caveats, go for it.
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Case suggestions/BAM case problem on: Jul 17, 2015, 02:48PM
I have a Rath R4F and an Eastman case. It does fit, kind of. The valve is half engaged when the case closes, probably not good for the valve. So, I don't like to do it.
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bruno Tilz mouthpiece question on: Jul 17, 2015, 02:42PM
Tilz is probably the only mouthpiece maker that is even more confusing than Marcinkiewicz, you've gotten yourself into deep waters here. If you want to play a German mouthpiece, try a Josef Klier, much more understandable as far as rim diameter and depth. Otherwise, contact Tilz and tell us afterwards what everything means.
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Another fine alto mouthpiece on: Jul 15, 2015, 04:12PM
I also discovered a great alto mouthpiece recently, a Marcinkiewics 8H-S. The intonation of the partials in a Lätzsch is perfect, right up to high g and even b-flat (above high e-flat). Even the pedals are right in tune, the first mouthpiece I've found this to be the case. An Marc. 8H-AL is not in tune. It sounds really well but it is flat in the upper register and sharp in the pedals. The only difference between the two is the 8H-S has a larger back bore. Both of these mouthpieces have a 26 mm rim diameter, so they are good for players who like large rims.

As with your mouthpiece, Heinz, I honestly feel that altos need bigger throats and back bores to work well, nothing worse and more tiring than having to lip up in the upper register. The section blend in an orchestra also doesn't work for me with extremely shallow mouthpieces. A Lätzsch alto, for instance, is really nothing other than a German Weite 1, which is the same bore as the Weite 1 German tenor, it's just in Eb instead of B-flat. So an alto mouthpiece should correspond to the mouthpiece one would play in a Weite 1. That's my opinion. Of course the smaller altos like Bach or the Voigt may need something smaller.

5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: not happy with my Edwards bullet brace on: Jul 14, 2015, 03:26PM
Rath includes plastic shims with its hand rest to accommodate thinner bell braces. Wouldn't it be nice if Edwards should did this also.
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: How to get a rotor valve working again? on: Jul 05, 2015, 04:16PM
I bought the horn new and the valve was about 3-4 months old when it froze up because of the shards. Of course I explained the problem to Shires, the reply was that that was the first time they had heard of that happening.
I played the horn for a couple of years after that but, like I said, the valve never worked well enough for me. It was always slow (I tried about every oil) and the oil would always get in the slide and mess it up. I got tired of constantly cleaning the slide after oiling the valve, which was every two days or so. I'm talking about cleaning the slide every 20 minutes, 10 if I played anything fast like scales or etudes. The slide was perfectly aligned and worked fine when I could get it free of oil and play it with the straight gooseneck.
I have the feeling that the shards scratched up the valve core enough so that the oil would't stay in the valve and leaked more easily than normal into the slide. This may be baloney, though because I had problems with the slide before the shard attack. Shires even replaced the first slide I had because I complained about it.

Too bad, I fell in love with the Shires, especially with the Tru-bore, and waited a long time to get it. But like many love affairs it became a love-hate relationship and was better ended.

I now play Rath trombones and have none of these problems.





7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: How to get a rotor valve working again? on: Jul 04, 2015, 04:01AM
I had to take my try-bore apart after it had frozen up in a concert. There were metal shards, hiding in the cut-outs (the non-used holes in the core) of the valve and one had got itself lodged between the valve and casing. There must have been 12-15 shards in there. That's not what I would call precision engineering!

I've tried all of the oils and advice but have never been able to get mine working well enough to be happy. I don't play it anymore.
8  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: What does Amateur, Semi-professional, Professional mean to you? on: Jul 02, 2015, 04:12AM
You are right :-)

I get your point but please tell more about what you think is a good or better definition of each word.  I'm intersted in your thoughts of the complete picture Hi

/Tom


This is kind of difficult to answer. How does one describe the relationship of player's musical quality to the money he makes?  I don't know.

All I know is, I just want to play with players who can do the job, as professionally as possible, be it amateur, semi-pro or pro.





9  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: What does Amateur, Semi-professional, Professional mean to you? on: Jun 30, 2015, 03:37AM
i don't really like these descriptions.

Technically, a pro is a musician who makes his livelihood playing. This does not necessarily have anything to do with the quality of this musician. There are plenty of "pros" sitting in professional orchestras/bands etc. who are not great players, far from it. Maybe they were good at one time but through lack of practice, attitude or physical/mental problems they are not anymore. They are still pros, though.

There are many semi-pros and even amateurs who are better players. Maybe they can't count rests, transpose/read clefs or keep their mouths shut as well but they maybe able to play rings around these so called pros.

What about an unemployed pro? Is he an amateur again?

These terms are good for a general description of what the player does for a living but for a description of quality, I think there are better words.

By the way, i am a professional. I earn 100% of my income playing the trombone.This tells you nothing about how well I play.
10  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: What is with my throat? on: Jun 27, 2015, 03:38AM
It's more likely that you are using too much abdominal support. Tighten your stomach muscles and what happens to your throat? It tightens up.
I think everyone has experienced this to some extent at some time in their career, usually early on, and is one of the main issues to solve to become a good player.
11  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: How to Tune Your Trombone on: Jun 22, 2015, 07:14AM
First position two inches (5 cm) out from the bumpers seems pretty drastic. That's about a quarter tone.

I play my 3rd position right on the bell or slightly in front, depending on the note, chord, tonality, whatever. My 1st position is maybe 1/4 inch out and I tune my horn with the tuning slide pulled 3/8 inch (1 cm) out. So even if I pushed all the way in, I would be out only about an inch. But then I would lose 7th position, which I do actually use, not to mention low valve C.
I use mutes a lot and am used to compensating down for them. With a Wawa (harmon) or plunger I don't have the valve and really need that 7th.
To each his own, I guess.

Before switching to Shires and now Rath, I played an uncut Bach 42 in Germany and was often right on the border of being flat with the tuning slide all the way in.

12  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: Kleinhammer and Yoga breathing on: Jun 22, 2015, 06:33AM
Sven, I read The Inner Game of Tennis years ago.
I haven't read Zen in the Art of Archery yet, have been meaning to.
13  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: Kleinhammer and Yoga breathing on: Jun 22, 2015, 03:12AM
Now that I think about it some more, I seem to remember reading that same interview and thinking "oh, oh, they're talking about the wrong book" when the author referenced Autobiography of a Yogi.  Then again, EK may have read it...it was really making the rounds at the time.....but I know for a fact he never mentioned it to me.

So maybe I did remember correctly.That's comforting.
I've been wondering about this for years and it's amazing what a little question in the forum can clear up.


Thank you, I'm looking forward to reading it.

14  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: Kleinhammer and Yoga breathing on: Jun 21, 2015, 04:09PM
Thank you for that information, Dennis.
I'm sure your are right, I must have mixed up the books, which doesn't surprise me, it was a long time ago I that I read the Kleinhammer interview.
I'll try and find Science of Breath but I'm quite glad that, through my mistake, I read Autobiography of a Yogi, which I probably never would have done.



15  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Kleinhammer and Yoga breathing on: Jun 21, 2015, 01:09PM
I have it my mind that I read somewhere (ITA Journal, Instrumentalist, etc) that Ed Kleinhammer recommended the book "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Paramahansa Yogananda, especially for it's description of Yogi breathing.
Because of this, I purchased this book years ago and have since read it. An amazing book by any means and as a practicing Yogi myself, I was very inspired by it in many respects.

The thing is, there really isn't much about Yogi breathing in the book, at least no real description.
I was wondering, why would Kleinhammer have recommend it? 

For those of you who knew him, did he in fact recommend this book and if so, what were his reasons? Was he into Kriya Yoga or other forms of Yoga? Was he fascinated, like I am, with the many comparisons of Hinduism and Christianity? There is so much love an compassion in the book, you really can't read it and not become a better person in some way or other. From what I hear about Kleinhammer, he was a very superb human being. Does anybody know if this book was an influence or inspiration for him or anything more about this?

Thank you.
16  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS: Rath R3 8.5 inch Bell Flare - Practically New on: Jun 21, 2015, 11:33AM
Just did some research!  Turns out that this flare will fit an R3 as well as an R4 Good!

That's right, everything is interchangeable in an R3 and R4. So, the only difference between the two are the slides (and lead pipes) and the bell.
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Differences between Greg Black mouthpieces? on: Jun 21, 2015, 11:25AM
Thanks for the replies, guys.

Just to be clear: the NY series rim is rounder than the standard series rim (I'm guessing the standard is flatter than the NY), and the standard series throat is a little more open at the backbore near the throat than the NY series. Is that right?

I'm assuming the standard's more open backbore at the throat allows the warmer sound that is not as easy in the upper register.

Perhaps the NY 5.25 (cup depth between the 5.5 and the 5) in a lighter weight might be good compromise for me...

Yes, that is correct. The difference in the rim contours is very slight. Cup depth is, as far as I could judge, the same, so I also feel that the more open back bore in the 4G-5G is responsible for the big difference in sound and response.
Greg says, that he often makes the 4G-5G with the #1 back bore, not often enough judging by the wait!
18  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS: Rath R3 8.5 inch Bell Flare - Practically New on: Jun 21, 2015, 08:46AM
Wouldn't this be an R4 bell?
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Differences between Greg Black mouthpieces? on: Jun 21, 2015, 05:04AM
The rims are a little different, NY is a bit rounder. I like both.

The main difference is in the back bores. The NY series uses a #1 back bore and the standard series uses a #3, which is, in Greg's words "like a coke bottle", meaning more open near the throat.

I have a 4G-5G (regular weight) and had a NY 5.5M (which I sold because I felt a little cramped in with the smaller rim size). The 4G-5G has a warmer sound, great in the low register but not as easy in the high register as the NY 5.5. The NY5.5 is a great mouthpiece, really easy to play in all registers with a full, clear sound. I wish he made one with a 26.1 mm rim size like the 4 series.

For this reason, I have ordered a 4G-5G with a #1 backbone, which I have been waiting for almost 1 1/2 years now.

20  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Visiting rath on: Jun 11, 2015, 02:17PM
I think Chris left in December 2014, that's when Mick told me. I don't know why he left.
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