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1  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Brushing teeth before practicing? on: Jan 18, 2018, 01:46PM
Yeah, but it's easier when you can take your teeth out of your mouth.


How true! But in my case, I only have two teeth left to worry about anyway. I gum most of my notes!

2  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Dumb Question Re: Positions on: Jan 17, 2018, 09:45AM
It was a good consideration, but I found it to be the same on two horns with me. And I was checking this pretty carefully. I appreciate it, but that doesn't seem to be my problem.

BTW: Working a solid hour in 7th position is a real lip burner outer. Could barely squeak out a sound from the horn the next day.  :D

I don't think anyone advocates you blowing your brains out. When you get tired, stop. Playing when overly-tired can damage your chops and re-enforce bad habits.

3  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Dumb Question Re: Positions on: Jan 16, 2018, 08:39AM
:D Yes, that's why I said "sometime in their carrer". Maybe way back at a time they do not remember. This is one of those things that is not at all that difficult when you CAN actually do it. It is only difficult up to that point..

Like other things on the horn  ;-)


That thought has occurred to me as well. It could be, with some players who have been at it a loooong time, that they worked all those things out so long ago in grade school, they don't even remember those things being problems in the first place. So when a student comes across a thing like that, the instructor is, "Whaaaaaat?" And yet an instructor who has been at it for a long time has also dealt with every quirk a student can throw at them many times over. So that might have been his way of telling you not to make it a big deal; just practice your way through it.

I concluded quite a while back that anything I have a problem with is not unique; in fact - just the opposite - it's a common problem.

4  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Dumb Question Re: Positions on: Jan 16, 2018, 08:16AM
For me it definitely helped to make sure im buzzing the exact pitch right away as opposed to relying on the horn to create the partials.

Whenever an exercise is sloppy like that I play it just on the mouthpiece and really listen for an immediate transition between notes. Sometimes i sing it too.

The mistake I made for a long time is pulling the pitch toward the new note gradually at the end of the note. Pushing against the wall between slots and waiting for the tone to jump over so to speak.

Buzzing on the mouthpiece reveals that flaw at once if it exists and helps create a habit of buzzing on pitch at all times. At least it does for me.


I think most at least sometime in their career feel the same. More tubing makes a difference. Therefore I practice the slurs where they are most difficult on the outer positions. I also continue on the valve v1, v2, v3, v4, v5. Do that if you have one. I usually stop there, but if you have two you could do them on vv1, vv2, vv3 and vv4 too. I think that's even tougher a challange.



Seems like a larger mpc on a larger horn is more difficult for me in that regard as well. But that doesn't mean it can't be overcome! And the better I get with a larger mpc & larger horn, the improvement is more dramatic when I switch to a smaller mpc on a smaller horn. And I don't mean to imply that is a standard. It might simply be my own idiosyncrasy. YMMV and I hope it does!

Keep dogging it, MikeyBonez!

5  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Dumb Question Re: Positions on: Jan 16, 2018, 07:51AM
The lower slide position slurs are more difficult for me as well.

I'll practice the lower ones more slowly and try to build up speed. It helps me to tongue the notes first, before slurring them. Accuracy should always trump speed in my practice sessions.

6  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: How far can you get alone? on: Jan 15, 2018, 05:57PM
Which professionals claim to be self taught? I have never heard of a professional trombone player who never had a trombone lesson at any point.... I suppose its possible but I am hugely skeptical.

Perhaps think of it statistically. If you have played for twenty years and only ever had one lesson, are you self taught? Having a lesson or three could be thought of as being resourceful, rather than having had instruction. Is gathering resources from this Forum considered to be "instruction"?

We can state we are whatever we want to be and then change our minds as it suits us.

I used to be self-taught.

In the end, no matter how many lessons we may have had, we self-teach. No one can make us play nicely. That is up to us. But a good instructor sure can help.

7  Creation and Performance / Trombonists / Re: Low C above pedal Bb on: Jan 13, 2018, 12:22PM
If I have a note that I feel somewhat shaky on, I will play it over and over again, like long tones, throughout my practice session. I might end up playing the note 100 or more times by the end of the day. After a few days of that, the note is pretty comfortable.


Everyone has sight-unseen great advice and comments. But it's probably the OP. I can play a much nicer pedal G than I can a pedal Bb. And I can play a much nicer low C than I can a low D. It's quirky and we all have those quirks. We just need to - as students - practice harder on our weak spots. Pros may practice to their strengths to get their pay checks. But I believe we students need to work from the bottom up; in other words - concentrate more on the things we can not do well.

8  Town Hall / Comments and Suggestions / Re: Donations on: Jan 12, 2018, 05:07PM
Yea Todd, it's weird to watch the complaints about features and money continue here with a viable alternative up and running one bookmark away.

So I'm posting my new posts over there: mwpfoot, party of one. Hopefully the server can handle my post or two a month. I can always chime in here, but sheesh: broken HTML from last October asking for money on the homepage says it all.

Respectfully to Geezer and other daily posters: Just do it? We are the community. We can do better. It's a tiny change. This site is searchable, and always will be in some form. Search here, post there. What's the difference. We search, reference and link Contempora Corner, It's A Bear, Conn Loyalist, and others DAILY. Add this site to your list of references and give some life to the willing.

A motivational speaker I am not,


I'm with you. I posted there this afternoon about a really, really great tool that can make everyone sound like a million bucks. To find out more...

9  Town Hall / Comments and Suggestions / Re: Donations on: Jan 12, 2018, 03:06PM
mwpfoot writes:

> I posted twice over there yesterday: 11 views, no responses.

Typical chicken/egg problem.  When TC first went online there was plenty of traffic, and for a while I was optimistic that it would reach critical mass.  Alas, for whatever reasons, the community migrated back to TTF.  In retrospect it doesn't appear that TC can flourish unless TTF dies.  I find this sad, given that the TC proprietor listens to his users and has proven his willingness to implement the changes and features those users want -- something that will never happen here.  It's a mystery to me why people prefer to congregate on this creaky old site when there are infinite possibilities at TC.

People won't go over there en mass until this place either breaks or is shut down. Simply asking or telling everyone to go over there would probably have a very limited and temporary effect, for a variety of reasons.

I am also surprised this site hasn't flat-lined! Every time it goes down, I think, "This is IT".

10  Town Hall / Comments and Suggestions / Re: Donations on: Jan 12, 2018, 10:50AM
It might be time to simply lock all topics here and post stickies to invite people to go to the Trombone Chat forum. Let this site be its own archive. Honestly, there's nothing here that won't be duplicated over there once things are active.


Tabula rasa, baby!

11  Town Hall / Comments and Suggestions / Re: Donations on: Jan 11, 2018, 06:29PM
There are a few problems with that clause Geezer.  First, the site is open internationally and the international laws concerning copyright will apply, not whatever is stated here.  2nd, once editing is disallowed the content is fixed in a medium - whatever it is stored on.  Finally, in the vast majority of countries in the world the creator of any Intelectual property has ultimate ownership of such IP unless they specifically release it to someone else.  This must additionally done for each identifiable item of IP (photograph, piece of music, painting, written ideas, designs, etc...).

Example, the things I write here are not outside my control unless I relinquish control individually to each post.  The laws in both Canada and the US make it clear that if I want my content removed, it must be.

I herewith grant permission for my contributed content to this site to be moved to trombonechat.com provided that such content, once moved, shall remain my property.  I also grant permission for said content to be made available for public viewing trough the trombonechat.com website.

Me too!

Well, that's two down! 19,401 to go! It's a start...

12  Town Hall / Comments and Suggestions / Re: Donations on: Jan 11, 2018, 04:16PM
Does this (from the Terms of Use) mean anything towards the discussion of who owns the content of this Forum?

"Post editing and deleting
Posts may be edited by the poster for a period of up to four days after posting.  Please note that, since the content is never actually fixed in a medium, the poster therefore holds no copyright on the material.  Neither does The Trombone Forum need a license to use/host the content in the post.  All posts are therefore public domain content."

13  Creation and Performance / Music, Concerts and Recordings / Re: Only on Vinyl on: Jan 10, 2018, 01:41PM
This LP contains a performance (with orchestra!) by Henry Charles Smith of Guilmant's Morceau Symphonique

 Eugene Ormandy, The Philadelphia Orchestra ‎Ė First-Chair Encores, Volume 1: Showpieces for Philadelphia's First-Chair Virtuosos

I have this LP but it was a discard from a library and very scratchy.  That's the problem with LPs.

It depends. It can be a part of the charm if only moderately scratchy or less. I had a 'bone album with a slight skip in it. Then I got a newer copy and it didn't have the skip, but I missed it! All depends upon what we are used to and what we have an acquired taste for.

14  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: right elbow soreness on: Jan 10, 2018, 10:32AM
Some may have suggestions.

However, if it persists anyway, you might want to see your doctor or someone on his staff about it.

In my case, it was in my left elbow after acquiring a trigger horn. It lasted for 6-7 months until I saw my Doc's PA. It's on the mend now. I realize it's your right elbow. Just sayin...

15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Technology / Re: Music scanning and reading apps on: Jan 10, 2018, 06:27AM
Yes. Thanks guys. Pretty much as I thought, but I didn't consider "airplane mode". See! That's experience!

I would also take hard copies. I also hadn't thought of taking a charger along as well, but why not. At home, when I'm on Fantasy Football League, I always operate my laptop from the charger.

I guess I would also take a stand light, but playing from a tablet should make it unnecessary, if all it going as planned.

Oh, and it's probably a good idea to have it set so that the screen-saver doesn't come on in THE MIDDLE OF A SOLO! Lol!

Looks like I and probably a lot of guys who haven't posted to this thread have some catching up to do on the latest & greatest technology for music!


16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Technology / Re: Music scanning and reading apps on: Jan 10, 2018, 05:57AM
Here's where we get into some deep weeds.

I scan all my music and use a tablet to play from.  Is this illegal?  Letter of the law says yes; but will the Copyright Police come after me?  Probably not.

What if the battery goes dead? Seems to me that could be a problem for guys like the ones who even forget to take a mouthpiece with them!

And what if the tablet decided NOW is the time to get sticky by doing an update, or otherwise decided to do the boogaloo, as electronic devices sometimes mysteriously seem to want to do (at least when I'm using them)?

...all techno-noob questions. Like a good lawyer (but I'm not one), I know the answers to the above questions, or at least I think I do.

17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Technology / Re: Music scanning and reading apps on: Jan 09, 2018, 01:08PM
If you copy your band music for practice material at home, I don't see an issue. 

Photocopies for performance are a different story.  Clearly illegal. 

I'm doomed anyway. But you young kids out there - take heed!!!!

Hmmmmmmmm. So I guess the same goes for material scanned onto (or into) tablets and then used at performances, eh? After all, that is a form of copying as well!  Clever

18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Technology / Re: Music scanning and reading apps on: Jan 09, 2018, 12:48PM
Nobody's going to come and cuff you for making scans for personal use.  Making scans and posting them on IMSLP (or some other sharing site) is quite another matter.

Yes, copyright laws are about a generation behind the technology and need to be updated.

That's actually good to know b/c I photocopy ALL of my outside music for my own personal use - marking it up with crayons and such. You should see the look of horror on band-mates' faces sometimes until I explain to them that it is a photocopy (or Zerox - as we used to say).

Perhaps the way I play it is a crime, though!  Evil

19  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Arban's Famous Method Question on: Jan 09, 2018, 12:37PM
Itís slightly more expensive, but the version edited by Alessi and Brian Bowmen is worth it. Itís spiral bound, so it lays flat, and itís got all duets and art of phrasing studies. Plus, you get little blurbs by Alessi and Bowmen to help you.


Available at Hickeys

Online Trombone Journal review

I decided it was finally time for a more trombone-oriented Arbans, so I ordered it. I figure if it has Joe Alessi's name on it...

I have a pile of technique manuals I rotate through but I never had my Arbans in the party mix b/c it doesn't lay flat - the way I have it cut up and stuffed inside a notebook. I know it's weird, but sometimes it takes things to be of a certain format to interest me.

20  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Arban's Famous Method Question on: Jan 09, 2018, 10:19AM
At the risk of veering off topic:

Last week I decided to hang a dart board using a French cleat, so I got my bandsaw out of the shed. 

I reviewed the really excellent setup video:

that's the best one I've seen.  Watch him make the 3D reindeer if you have time. 

Anyway, when I opened it up to adjust the blade properly, I found the missing roll of paper towels, transformed into a mouse nest and tightly packed everywhere.  After a thorough cleaning and taking the time to adjust it perfectly this time, a good hours worth of work, I turned it on.

Nothing.  It wouldn't run.  I couldn't figure it out, no fuse and no obvious bad connections. 

So I flipped a jigsaw to 45 degrees and made the cleat that way.

Seriously, you used a bandsaw on a paperback?  Hmmmmm.  Pretty sure you punched those holes with a drill press then.    And then broached them to optimum diameter. 

If I had an iPad or similar tablet I might just download the IMSLP version. 

That was the spline off Arbans, not Geezer. But you didn't use the forbidden "lol", so I guess it's okay. Lol

I hole-punched it several pages at a time. I think I had a metal-cutting blade in my band-saw at the time for when I stole a band-mate's trombone and cut the tuning slide down ridiculously so he would always be out of tune and I would then get his chair.  Evil  Evil

...Geezer, The Splineless
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