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1  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Rank Beginner on: Mar 23, 2017, 11:41AM
I like the Rubanks method suggested by others here, but first and foremost I would start with some lessons.  Each teacher is going to have a method book they prefer.  I find it easier the sooner you catch bad habits the easier it is to correct them.  If you practice something wrong for months and then take lessons you'll have to unlearn that bad habit the right way.  You will progress much faster with a teacher than without one.  If you start off with a good teacher you can get correction sooner.  Once you have developed some proficiency on the horn finding a community band is a great way to improve.  If your town has a new Horizons program they have bands at different playing levels, and offer a great opportunity to play with others. You want a group that challenges you current level, but is not so far over your head that you aren't cutting it.   
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Euphonium comparison: Yamaha 321 vs Wessex Dolce on: Mar 20, 2017, 04:28PM
I've been playing a Yamaha 321 for literally decades, it is a very capable horn.  I had mine modified with a Euro-shank receiver to accept a more typical euphonium mouthpiece and that made a huge difference (the big drawback of the 321 is it's small shank receiver).  The compensating system allows you to play some lower notes without alternate fingerings, and it gives you a couple notes that are nearly impossible to get on a 321 without using false tones.  The big advantage of the compensating system is it makes playing in the lowest register of the horn a little easier.  Very little literature actually requires you to play the notes you can't get on a non-compensating horn.  If I were a current Euphonium professional / soloist I would get a good compensating horn, but for the average player a 321 will suite you fine.  I've had some discussions with my repair tech and he tells me he has trouble finding repair parts for some of the chinese made horns, you won't have that problem with a Yamaha the 321 is such a common horn that repair techs keep things like valve guides on hand.
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Help! Does my slide need fixed, cleaned, lubed... all three? on: Mar 13, 2017, 01:12PM
If a good cleaning on my part doesn't fix it my next stop is the repair shop.  Home remedies for slide issues often make things worse. 
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: What DOES a "pro" horn bring to the table? on: Mar 11, 2017, 06:38AM
From what I've seen promodels are made from better materials, are lighter, and more resonant.  They also have features like lighter slides.  You can play well and have a good sound on just about any trombone (in good working condition), but a good pro horn as opposed to a similar student horn will have a more complex tone (more overtones), and will generally be easier to play.
5  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: John Williams is 83 years old, who could possibly take up his mantle? on: Mar 10, 2017, 05:50AM
Besides which, taking an old melody and making it fresh is common in great compositions.

Look at Mozart's variations on "Ah, vous direz je Maman" (better known to us a "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star") or Brahms' "Variations on a Theme by Haydn".

In fact, Williams make some very interesting music by adding some odd time signatures to his pieces (to the eternal consternation of school music teachers who have to explain them to kids who are having enough trouble with 4/4).

Who will replace Williams?  We will know in due time.  And while I love your work, Jim, I don't think it's you.  Don't see your name on many movie sound tracks. ;-)
Totally agree there are so many examples of classical composers doing variations on Themes borrowed from Folk Melodies or other composers.  John Williams was writing and arranging music for Movie scores that he borrowed melodies from other works doesn't diminish the great arrangements he came up with that so perfectly fit the films.  What he did has been common practice in classical Music (and you can find many examples in Pop music also) forever.  I don't think you'll see any one composer to have the volume of work that Williams has produced, but I do think you will see multiple people step up who will produce quality music for films that will rival his. 
6  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: buying off craigslist experiences good and bad on: Mar 10, 2017, 05:22AM
I don't have any experience with buying on Craigslist but I did sell a Yamaha Tuba that way and it worked out well. Buyer came to my home. I had expected to haggle over the price a little so I had priced it slightly higher than I would settle for it (it was an ugly but nice playing YBB-321),  I asked $1000 for it he offered $800 we met in the middle at $900.00.  He tried the horn with his mouthpiece (a no name piece of crap) his tone sounded terrible.  I pulled out a Conn Heilleburg and handed it to him and said here try this.  His tone instantly improved, not great but much better, I think that helped make the sale.
7  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Conn or Holton as main bass trombone? on: Mar 10, 2017, 05:12AM
For this piece I preferred the sound you get on the Conn, I did think the Holton sounded great also, but the Conn just to me sounded more relaxed mellow and fit the tune better.  There are situations and pieces where the Holton sound would probably be a better fit.  Either way you get a great tone on both horns and I would play the one that appeals to you the most. 
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Mouthpieces like the 1.5G on: Mar 08, 2017, 11:38AM
Normally I think what's the best mouthpiece type posts are a waste of effort for reasons stated in other posts.  In this case the OP gave some specifics regarding what he was playing on, what he switched to, and what about the new mouthpiece isn't working for him.  I think given those specifics someone with some experience and knowledge on similar size pieces can recommend pieces to try. 
9  Practice Break / Polls / Re: Most favorite mouthpiece on: Mar 07, 2017, 12:06PM
I really don't have a favorite, I play a Yamaha Doug Yeo Replica on Bass, a Joseph Klier on Tuba, a Conn Remington on my 88H, and a Bach 7C on my 3B.  If I had to pick one brand and stick with it I guess it would have to be Bach.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Switching to bass trombone on: Mar 06, 2017, 07:52PM
Well some things have come up and my budget is now $1500, I've found a dual bore tenor on Wessex. I'm aware that the trombone is a Jinbao stamp and most places won't touch these instruments because of their fragileness. I've also been told that the intonation could be a bit squirrelly. My music teacher (also a trombonist) has told me that this may be a good bet for me. He's also offered to help me make sure it works correctly when and if I do get it.

I got my used Yamaha 612 bass in good condition for $1200.00 there are deals out there in the used market if you're patient.  I have read pretty good reviews of Wessex on here so I wouldn't say definately don't go that way.
11  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Doubling bass trombone and tuba on: Mar 06, 2017, 10:53AM
I've been playing both trombone Tenor and Bass, as well as Euphonium, and CC Tuba, and BBb Sousphone for quite a while now, I even pick up a cornet from time to time to play taps on.  If you put in the practice time on Bass bone and Tuba you will become adept and being able to switch between them. It does take time and dedication. 
12  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Why Do Jazz Artists Always Play The Same Old Stuff? on: Mar 06, 2017, 06:30AM
If it's what you like exclusively...

If your group is out there playing for an older population - then, yeah, by all means play what the audience wants to hear! Would you play those tunes exclusively at a wedding reception for a young bride & groom? Maybe a given one if they are doing a retro thing. But otherwise, I think you better have some newer stuff ready.

Unfortunately most young Brides and Grooms aren't hiring live musicians anymore.  Without computer backing tracks and other tricks you would have a hard time producing a lot of today's popular music in a live setting.  Most of the weddings (which are few and far between) we get are for much older couples.  Yes we need a few 50's 60's rock tunes but if you're a jazz combo or big band you're probably not playing a lot of weddings these days. Most of our paying jobs these days are senior centers and nursing homes and they want to hear what they heard when they were younger.  They want the standards!! 

There are plenty of jazz musicians who are recording more contemporary music, and using pop tunes to improvise on.  Most of us learned to play jazz by doing the standards the challenge was to take that old tune and chord progression and try to do something new and fresh with it.  A lot of it depends on your market.  If you are in NY City or LA there is probably a market that is much more accepting of jazz musicians reaching out doing something new.  Even in the rock world unless you are a very well established band if you want to get one of the few paying jobs out there you have to do primarily covers or you won't get numbers in the seats (which typically means you won't get paid).  I went to hear a friend not to long ago who put together a Jazz group that was very talented, great improvisers, top notch players, and they were doing all original stuff there venue (a large coffee shop that routinely has live music) did a great job of advertising it, they all put it on facebook, and other social media, there was 20 people who stayed to listed all friends and family of the band. If you want to make money playing you are limited by your market and what they are willing to pay for.     
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Remington sh on: Mar 04, 2017, 04:40PM

I have one of the Schilke Remington Shank mouthpieces (I believe it is a 50 about a 6 1/2 AL equivalent), but I actually went back to using the Remington with my older Elkhart 88H.  The Remington is close to a Bach 5G in size, and definately not a beginners mouthpiece, it is actually the mouthpiece that Emory Remington recommended for Students at Eastman with the 88H (his recommended Horn, which I believe he had a hand in designing).   
14  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Recusal, Removal, or Indictment? on: Mar 03, 2017, 05:32AM
He didn't lie either. He answered the questions correctly, because he didn't meet with them to address the campaign. He met with the Ambassador as a Senator, and member of the Armed Forces committee, dealing with other issues. This is all a setup.

I've watched both the question and his answer:  He avoided the actual question which was and I Paraphrase; What would you do if you found out there was collusion with the Russians, he avoided answering the question by saying he couldn't answer it because he was unaware of anyone from the campaign including himself meeting with the Russians.  The question about whether or not he lied isn't in debate anymore since he is now admitting he should have said I met with the Russians but we didn't discus the campaign. It's a fact he said he didn't meet with the Russians During the Campaign (regardless of what the question was) and it's a fact that he had met with a Russian Ambassador two times during the Campaign.     
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Polishing changed Olds Recording on: Mar 02, 2017, 05:01PM
Yes. You've removed material. It IS lighter.

Yup that's it!! When you polish metal you remove some of the metal making it lighter.
16  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Recusal, Removal, or Indictment? on: Mar 02, 2017, 04:45PM
" The smear against Sessions is typical. I can think of a dozen reasons why the chairman of the Armed Services Committee would meet with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. having nothing to do with presidential politics. There are also several reasons why Sessions, as an individual senator would meet with Kislyak.".

I concur.

The problem isn't that he met with him, the problem is during his confirmation hearing under oath he lied about meeting with him.  For the entire presidential campaign we had to listen to Trump refer to Hillary Clinton as Lying Hillary, if he's that concerned with truthfulness he should get himself a new attorney general.
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Switching to bass trombone on: Mar 02, 2017, 12:06PM
Welcome to the forum! There are many many topics on this subject in the forum and most of them give the same advice:

1. The person who can advise you best is your teacher. The advice from people who don't know your playing isn't useful advice.

2. It will be very difficult to playtest a bass bone and get a good one when you are switching from a student level instrument to a pro evel bass trombone -- you won't know what is good or bad.

Take a look around the forum and you'll see a lot of info on bass bones.

If you just gotta have a bass, save your dough and get a Wessex.

Agree with all this except for the Get a Wessex part.  Not that there is anything inherently wrong with getting a Wessex and they have a good reputation, I have had really good luck getting prolevel horns for less money in the used market.  You should have no problem finding a really good used prolevel bass from Getzen, Yamaha, Bach, etc. for less than your $3,000.00 limit.  The plus side of going used is if you decide that the horn isn't for you if it's in the same condition when you try to sell it as when you bought it you can get most or all of your money back.  I've even made money selling used instruments I'd outgrown.
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: For the Tuba doublers out there... on: Mar 02, 2017, 06:48AM
Do you guys mean you play the tuba with the bell facing the side? I always thought that people played tuba upright all the time
You have to tilt the bell a little to one side or the other (depending on your valve set up).  Front valves tilt the bell slightly to the left, upright valves tend to tilt the bell slightly to the right.
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Shires Q Series Bass Vs. Getzen Eterna on: Mar 02, 2017, 06:34AM
As far as reputation and resale value go, Shires get as much or more respect as bass trombones go as Getzen does (which have a reputation of being stuffy).  I'm only going by reviews, and word of mouth from other players.  I don't have playing experience on either one.  Are these the only options you're considering?  Why not get to a large retailer like Dillon's and try a bunch of different bass trombone models?  I'm particularly fond on my Yamaha Bass, I would give them a play also. 
20  Practice Break / Polls / Re: What kind of music do we listen? on: Feb 28, 2017, 09:13AM
Too many categories and not enough choices.  Picking a top 3 is pretty difficult from a comprehensive list of Genres.  I could use up 3 just on Jazz, but I also like Classical, Folk, Country, and classic Rock. 
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