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1  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: How far can you get alone? on: Today at 06:31 AM
Other than piano lessons starting at age 8 I didn't have much in the way of private training until I got into an Army reserve band and started taking some private lessons.  I participated in group lesson on Euphonium, and with a little help from my trumpet playing step father got fairly good on Euphonium.  I rented a trombone from the school the summer between middle school and high school I taught myself the slide by equating valve combinations on the Euph to slide positions on Trombone.  So my freshmen year of high school I made stage band.  Being self taught has a lot of disadvantages, and there were things that I had to learn to do correctly with the slide that only a teacher can impart. I actually think getting lessons from a competent teacher is the most helpful at the early stages to avoid developing bad habits.   
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Never seen a tuba like this... on: Yesterday at 01:24 PM
"The instrument is made of 2 parts and is really easy to transport."
Glad to see they did take transporting it in mind as pary of the design.
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Looking for tuba advice from non-tubists on: Yesterday at 01:17 PM
Thanks, I've been checking it out over there already. I'm arranging to have a look at a Miraphone 186, 4v, Bb. A little beat up, but used by a pro, so it works. Should be plenty of repair parts available for this model.

Thanks all for your help. I was pretty lost, but this feels like a reasonable solution.
You can't go wrong with a 186 in playable condition, they are very versatile horns, and yes parts are available for them from Miraphone. 
4  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: The switch from trombone to trumpet on: Dec 09, 2017, 07:55AM
I recently finished my annual Remembrance Day bugler impersonation. It went well.

 I have been doing stints of trombone and trumpet regularly for several years. Sometimes I play both instruments back and forth and other times I end up playing one for a longer period. Usually there is no issue.

The end of last year I played only trumpet for about six months. When I went back to trombone I felt a bit of what you are talking about. I sounded fine but it just felt weird and certain things didn't work with range and articulation. It took about two weeks of lip flexibility and Caruso style timing exercises to get it back.

But normally switching hasn't been a problem if I do two things. I have a two or three minute free buzz=> mp buzz=> horn routine that helps me find the center of whatever embouchure I am making. I also adjust how much air I try to push through the horn. A trumpet needs less flow than a trombone. A tuba needs more. There are different semantic ways to talk about the air volume or intensity but the fact is it is different for different brass instruments. When the embouchure is centered for the instrument and the air flow is appropriate things usually work okay.
I do the same thing pick up a trumpet to play Taps for Memorial, and Veterans day, I have no problem with playing taps, but I do find my endurance on Trumpet is very limited, I'm sure because I don't play it regularly.  I actually find that my tone on larger mouthpieces seems to improve (ie: more focused) after picking up trumpet for a week to prepare for Taps.
5  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: The aging trombonist (and how to do it gracefully) on: Dec 09, 2017, 07:49AM
Me too.

I had a pair of music glasses made some time ago.  When I replaced my regular glasses, I could see the music well enough to get by, and I stopped using them. 

This year I had another pair of single vision music glasses made, since I didn't need to get new regular ones.  I can see the music with either pair, BUT the single vision ones have a much wider clear area.  With the bifocals I need to align that one spot, and can only see one page of music, so I'm always pulling sheets out of the binder.  The music glasses let me see both left and right pages and a little bit of a third page. 
This is consistent with my experience with glasses as well.  The single vision readers allow me to see a wider angle, the other issue I have is my regular glasses have a small sweet spot vertically for any given distance.  I can definately see more of the page on the stand with the single vision lenses.  I do get by with my regular glasses but the readers adjusted for a 2 ft. focal length do make it easier.

6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Never seen a tuba like this... on: Dec 09, 2017, 07:36AM
Ergonomics on this look to be very good dividing the weight over both shoulders, the Bell forward design gives it a direct sound like an over the shoulder type Marching Tuba or Contra.  Very practical as a solo instrument, ergonomic for long periods of stand up playing, and the direct sound works great to project out to the audience.  I do see one drawback to this instrument design, this unless you design it to come apart is going to require a huge case to protect it, and shipping a regular Tuba or sousaphone is hard enough, this would be exceptionally hard and costly to transport.  This is a BBb horn according to the second video posted about the horns design (the B designation appears to have been a mistake, and I really so no reason to pick a new key for this, the difference in tube length I believe would only be 9" less to go from BBb to BB natural, which wouldn't be a major concern).  This appears at this time to be a modified one of a kind tuba configuration, and because of the impracticality of transporting something this big I don't think you'll find it take off in the Tuba playing community.  Ease of transportation and carrying is a major concern when you play an instrument the size of a tuba.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Looking for tuba advice from non-tubists on: Dec 09, 2017, 07:16AM
I think for your purposes, whatever you find available in your price range in playable condition, you'll learn how to play, and it will work.  There are a ton of variables in Tubas They basically come in 4 different Keys (BBb, Eb, CC, & F), piston valves or rotary valves, I whole array of sizes (much like violins for kids) you can find 3/4, 4/4, 5/4, and 6/4 fairly commonly.  I as a Tuba, Trombone, and Euphonium player have my own preferences that I've developed over the years, but what works for me may not work for you. My best advice to you would be with a limited budget find something available locally that plays well and learn it.  The CC and F Tubas are less common and usually go for higher prices than similar BBb and Eb tubas, you're most likely to find a Student model 3 piston valve 3/4 Tuba since this is what most students here in the US start on, but older 3 valve Eb Tubas are also plentiful.  Because of their size you can have fairly large dents in a Tuba and it will still play just fine, so don't let cosmetic issues keep you from selection a tuba that is otherwise very playable.  I know some pretty good Tubists who are playing on some pretty ugly instruments.  When it comes to Tubas new and shiny isn't always better.
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Looking for tuba advice from non-tubists on: Dec 08, 2017, 09:03AM
When you say "up" to visit Baltimore Brass, you might be closer to The Tuba Exchange in Durham NC.  A friend of mine got a really nice pair of tubas (CC and F) there.  He traded in a tuba I had sold him.  Note that CC is a tuba that mostly appeals to classical tuba players.  I think it's the hardest of the 4 to learn.

I switched pretty easily from a BBb to a CC tuba.  If you know troble clef Euphonium fingerings or Trumpet fingering you already know CC tuba fingerings.  You just have to get used to those fingerings in Bass Clef.  I find CC has a couple of advantages for me: 1) Physically smaller than it's BBb counter part (and with a forth valve can play all the required notes) 2) I prefer the tone I get on a CC it seems to have fewer overtones and has a less muddy sound than a similar BBb (I spent a fair amount of time sitting with a BBb Miraphone 186 and a CC Miraphone 186 going back and forth and I personally preferred the clarity of the CC tone.  It seems to work better in small ensembles yet I can still get enough sound to fill in the bottom of a concert band as the sole tuba.  It really is a matter of personal preferences.
9  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Dec 08, 2017, 06:42AM
Well I'm not going to go further with this discussion after this because I think it would be counter productive.  I will just say that I don't believe there is a perfect translation of the Bible, and the original texts are long lost to us.  Even the Earliest Greek Texts record Christ's words that were most likely originally spoken in Aramaic.  The earliest Gospel we have available to us is Mark which was believed to have been written about 70 years after Christ's death.  Biblical Scholars and linguists are still working on these texts to figure out the best and most accurate account of what Christ actually said.  In the case of the Luke verse used in this discussion the word "Hate" makes zero sense as conveying Christ's original intent.  As Bob has pointed out only someone who is deeply invested in the religion or in the Bible is going to put the effort into trying to decipher what was truly meant by the original text so it doesn't surprise me that the most prevalent and available sources for this information are going to come from Biblical Scholars. We are constantly asked here to defend the Bible as some perfect magical text, and it is somehow believed that if you can convince us that it isn't that we will magically loose our faith in God and Christ.  I already know that the Bible in the form we have it now (or have ever had) isn't perfect, that is why there are centuries worth of Biblical scholars working on sorting it out and still working on it today.  The Bottom line is I don't believe in and worship a book.  I believe in a living God who creates and recreates the universe on a daily basis, I also believe that he sent his son to Earth, and his son gave up his human life for our salvation.  Even if you disprove the validity of a large portion of the Bible I would still maintain my faith in God and Jesus.  I really don't expect those that don't believe to come around to my way of thinking, if you do that's great, but that isn't my goal here.  I find it telling though that some Atheists, who claim that Christians as a group are all intolerant, spend so much time and effort trying to convince us to believe like they do and give up our faith, just because the book we study and ponder isn't perfect.  How many Science books have been published with errors, and theories that have later been modified or disproved, does that mean that science isn't real?  As a Christian yes I read and study the Bible, I also read the works of scholars that know more than I who are reading and studying it and publishing there interpretations.  I know there are inconsistencies in the texts, and that you really have to dig deep to find the true meaning of the words.  We are trying to get a perfect understanding of words that were spoken in a long dead language, that were passed down orally, and first written down decades after the source died, in a different language than he actually spoke in, that has then been translated into just about every Language known to man.  That you can find some inconsistencies in these ancient text translations really isn't going to effect my faith in the least, since as an adult I came to be aware of these inconsistencies in Translations decades ago and yet I still have my faith.  If your goal is to deter us from our faith by proving to us that the Bible isn't perfect, your argument isn't going to work on me, or a vast number of other Christians who still maintain our faith despite the fact that we realize we don't know or have the whole story yet, just like science is still working on unravelling the mysteries of the Universe, Bible scholars and theologians are still working on a better understanding of God's word.   
10  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Dec 07, 2017, 08:02PM
Sorry guys, but again you are using the bible to prove the bible is right.  Both Radar's and John's sources are religious groups that have a vested interest in interpreting the word that means 'hate' as meaning 'love less' and are just quoting the passages in the bible where such interpretations give the meaning they want, or prefer if you will, from the text.

I tried (must admit not too hard) to find a secular source and secular examples but could not.

BTW, that group, Jews for Jesus - they seem to be closer to Christians than do the Mormons or the JW.  What prevents them frrm just being Christians?
My definition of miseó that I found didn't come from the Bible but from Strong's Concordance which has been a long time gold standard for translating Biblical era Greek, it is a well researched and authoritative source of reference for the Greek Language during that time period.  You won't find that particular Greek work in a Modern Greek dictionary because like many English words it has changed form over the centuries.  There was more to my post than just the definition of the word miseó and why I thought the two versus you quoted weren't contradictory.  Even if the word in Greek really did mean hate (which I don't believe it does) I still listed two other reasons why I didn't believe the two verses were a contradiction.  So you dismissed all three of my reasons for it not being a contradiction because you didn't like the source I cited for the first reason (but you were unable to come up with a better source), and you didn't even address the other two reasons I didn't think these verses were a contradiction:  1) You can show honour to something or someone without loving them 2) Christian theology teaches that post Christ's death and resurrection there was a new covenant that superseded the old Law regarding how we obtain salvation.  I agree you can't use the Bible to prove the Bible, I didn't try to do that.  I don't believe you can prove religion, as I have said many times in these discussions.  My point was in the case of these two specific verses one from the old Testament and one from the New, I don't believe taken in context that they are contradictory.   
11  Practice Break / Religion / Re: God on: Dec 07, 2017, 06:55AM
God the Father said: (Commandment 5) "Honour your father and your mother."

God the Son said: (Luke 14:26) “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."
This is another example of a poor choice by Bible Translators.  In their zeal to replace a single Greek word, with a single English term they selected an English word that doesn't truly convey the intent of the Original Greek ( http://biblehub.com/greek/3404.htm )  The Greek word in this context can also be translated as "to love less".  Basically Christ is saying you can't be his disciple unless you love him and God more than parent's, siblings, and life itself. To Love someone less than someone else doesn't dishonor the first person.  You can show Honour to someone without actually loving them.  When I was in the military I honoured the officers placed over me by Saluting them when passing them on the street, and following their lawful orders, and by not showing them disrespect, that didn't mean that I loved them (in some cases it was quite the opposite).  I don't see these verses as being contradictory at all.  I'm not saying there aren't any contradictions in the Bible, there certainly are, but they also have to be looked at in the context of the parable, story, or theological idea being presented.  It's easy to pick out single verses and say these verses contradict each other if you don't evaluate them in the context of the rest of the information presented before and after the verses.  You also at times need to not blindly trust that the Bible translators always picked the best term to represent the original language.  It sometimes requires a digging a little deeper to get the true meaning of the text in the Context of Christian Theology.  Also comparing old testament Scriptures with new ones, and saying they contradict each other isn't going to get you far with most Christians since they believe that God gave us a new Covenant in Christ that supersedes the agreement he made with us in the old testament.  This is the  reason Christians don't advocate animal or other sacrifices, or adhere to the dietary restrictions laid out in the old testament.
12  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Jerusalem on: Dec 07, 2017, 05:57AM
This is another slap in the face to Muslims. This POTUS constantly displays his hatred for them, and as long as he is in the White House we will never be an effective mediator for Peace in the Middle East.  This move is also going to inspire Extremist Muslim Terrorists to increase there efforts for terrorist attacks in the US.  We have a long history of supporting Israel (right or wrong) over all other interests in the region, is it any wonder that other factions over there hate us. 
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Plastic Mouthpiece for 30°F Concert... Worth It? on: Dec 05, 2017, 02:14PM
I use a Kelly for those situations and it works fine for that purpose. 
14  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Playing with multiple mouthpieces - Am I doing myself harm? on: Dec 02, 2017, 06:50AM
Although not an ideal situation, to play tenor parts on a Bass I do keep a 5G mouthpiece in my bass trombone case for the occasions when I show up to big band rehearsal and I find out last minute I'm the only trombone player coming that night.  It isn't something I would do on a regular basis, and a Bass bone with a tenor mouthpiece definately isn't a replacement for a tenor trombone, but I can get through a rehearsal with it and cover the exposed trombone melody lines for rehearsal purposes.  I also don't feel bad in this circumstance taking some of those parts down the octave. There is a difference between covering the important trombone parts to get through a rehearsal, and trying to regularly play lead parts on an instrument that isn't designed to do it.  If you have to play lead on a regular basis, I would consider looking for a good playing small bore used student horn.  Many can be bought pretty cheaply. 
15  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: How Do I Keep My Throat and Trachea Moist in the Winter Months? on: Dec 02, 2017, 06:35AM
You say you drink enough water, but when do you drink it?  I keep a water bottle with me during playing sessions and will grab a quick sip when needed.
16  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: How much to play the day before a big gig? on: Dec 02, 2017, 06:31AM
I try to do my normal warm up and run through any tough spots on the concert literature.  I don't over practice the day before so my chops are fresh for the concert.  You can't cram for a concert the day before the event, you should already know the music.  
17  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: Playing after Periodontal Surgery on: Nov 23, 2017, 05:12PM
I'm sure Ronkny has given you excellent advice here, and wouldn't begin to question his advice as a professional.  When I see these posts I do question why people don't ask these questions of the medical professionals who perform the procedures and are the most knowledgeable about their particular surgery.   
18  Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonist / Re: Study: earplugs for everyone on: Nov 23, 2017, 05:05PM
Haahaahaha. Ear plugs only work if you've got a great mix coming through an in ear monitor. Otherwise, you've gotta be kidding. Impossible to get a real sense of your sound with ear plugs in.

Only my opinion, but a world where 5th graders start playing with ear plugs in would be a world with awful sounding ensembles at all levels.

My experience with trying to play in ensembles with ear plugs is similar.  Maybe it's because my hearing is already diminished but I just can't hear well enough to balance and play in tune with ear plugs in.
19  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Military/NATO Alphabet on: Nov 22, 2017, 09:40AM
Incidentally, this phonetic alphabet has been in existence for 65 years.  It isn't like learning Esperanto.  To nearly everybody alive today who has had military experience, it's already familiar.

Very true, also the listener doesn't need to learn the alphabet to know that Foxtrot stands for letter F, etc.
20  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Playing with multiple mouthpieces - Am I doing myself harm? on: Nov 22, 2017, 06:55AM
I've been playing multiple brass instruments for years.  I play Bass and Tenor bone, Euphonium (with a bass bone size MP), and Tuba (I occasionally pick up trumpet to play taps for veterans functions as well).  I do better and have a preference for larger mouthpieces and have never been much of a lead player.  I don't think that playing on multiple mouthpiece sizes hurts me, but I do think you need to choose what is going to be your primary and concentrate on that.  I don't think there is enough practice time in the day to be a great lead Trombonist and a Great Bass player.  I'm sure there are a few exemplary players out there who will prove me wrong.  To me the key is to be very aware of playing each mouthpiece correctly, without excessive pressure, and when switching from one horn to another I need to do a complete and thorough warm up on the new mouthpiece (with a break before actually starting on the new instrument).  I can't like some people switch within a single playing session very well. 
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