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61  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Another audio "Which Mouthpiece", bass this time on: Oct 27, 2012, 08:20PM
Sorry, I screwed up when posting the things and ended up posting an empty file. When you say "Mouthpiece 3", do you mean "Track 3" or STE-036?
62  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: What is this part or the trombone called? on: Oct 27, 2012, 05:18PM
63  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Another audio "Which Mouthpiece", bass this time on: Oct 27, 2012, 05:06PM

Player this time is usually more of an enemy than a friend, but I figured I'd see about helping him out here.

Which mouthpiece would you choose for this player, of these 5? Bit of a struggle maintaining his breath for the C at the end, but there's plenty of playing in the "meat" of the bass trombone range to make a decision.
64  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Ostransky- "Two Spanish Dances" on: Oct 24, 2012, 11:37AM
Does anyone know of a good recording of this? I'm looking for one to show my student, but all I'm finding on the internet are middle school students making the same basic mistakes that he is, and receiving top scores for their trouble, which is somewhat counterproductive.

The second movement is available by a skilled player here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RSj4A3TPLoU#at=32
Even that isn't entirely clear about the marked articulations, which bugs me.

First movement doesn't seem to be played by anyone, and it's the more nuanced one and the one of which he could really use a recording.

Still three or four months out from All-State, but I'd like to get a handle on this early.
65  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Elkhart 88H poll on: Sep 21, 2012, 10:42AM
Seconding "Keep the string linkage" for the reasons Ben stated.
66  Creation and Performance / Music, Concerts and Recordings / Re: Firebird Berceuse trill y/n? on: Sep 13, 2012, 02:44PM
Sorry,  Finale...  The Berceuse on the chart is printed in a large font while the finale is small and I was typing in a hurry.

Lip trill to A in second... Favoring the G for position moreso than the A or vice versa.
67  Creation and Performance / Music, Concerts and Recordings / Firebird Berceuse trill y/n? on: Sep 12, 2012, 05:36PM
If y,  then how?

Berceuse...  Damned phone
68  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Mystery valves ?? on: Sep 07, 2012, 04:20PM
Later K-valves also seem to have a more similar F lever to the one shown there, but the saddle for the F-lever isn't nearly as sturdy as the "Edwards":
from what I presume is a recent Bach catalogue (It was hosted in bachbrass.com)
69  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Mystery valves ?? on: Sep 07, 2012, 04:08PM
Looks like Miller valves based on the linkages (compare against http://www.millervalve.com/bach_42.html ) but the arrangement of the valves as compared against their dual-valve bass (miller's standard inline bass has the valves offset from one another somewhat rather than fully inline) as well as the caps on the valves are fairly different (this one is convex and smooth, the standard one is flat and dimpled). Miller or someone else might have built a custom heavy cap for it though.  Also, the levers on the horn in question don't resemble Edwards at all.

I would guess that it's probably a custom build by some brass tech who felt comfortable bending his own tubing for the valves.

Interesting layout though- no braces between the F/Gb sections and the bell, and when rested upon the shoulder the bell should be free to vibrate regardless of the horn perhaps resting on your shoulder. Be interested to give it a toot if I had the opportunity.

EDIT: It could also be a set of K "Balanced" Valves, off a Bach 50K3:

Compare against this picture of a 42K:

The 42K has that rubber "protector" piece over the valve cap, but if that were taken off, you could easily see how it might match the profile of the caps on this "Edwards".
70  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Is it possible to build a horn from "scratch"???? on: Sep 07, 2012, 03:56PM
Greenhoe are a bit different as they insist they mate up the bell flare, neckpipe/valve section and bell flare at their workshop as they argue this gives a better response and feel.

Truth be told, at least at the Shires factory, you're doing this also, though in a more personal than precision-engineered way.

You start with the things that have the biggest effect on the response/feel of the horn (Slide, Valve Section) then you work out the right bell, then you doodle around a bit more (hopefully with someone who plays the trombone and doesn't work for them listening to you) and they comment on what they might like better, so they try out a different leadpipe, then if any previous options were a tossup, you might try the them against one another again, like say the Trubore against the Dual Bore Rotor, and then maybe three or four dual bore rotors against one another (with the same slide, leadpipe, tuning slide, bell) to determine which one actually works best on that particular setup.

That's actually how my father ended up on his TW47LW slide. He had it nearly tuned in, but there was still a slight unevenness to the attacks of the horn, which we tried to fix with a nickel leadpipe, a seamed tuning slide, or the TW47LW. The TW47LW got rid of most of the unevvenness to attacks, but still allowed for the broadness of sound we liked on the horn with the normal TW47 or TW47G.

Then deciding on which two leadpipes you want to bring home along with the one you actually picked just in case there might be something you liked a little better once you get used to the horn.

I've got no experience with Shires, but when being fit for a Rath at Dillon, I was completely out of the loop as far as which slide, leadpipe, tuning slide and bell happened to be connected at any given point and instead judged holistically based on how it felt and sounded. Now- they don't have nearly as many tuning slides as some other companies, and I definitely noticed enough differences between them when they were being switched back and forth to realize that they, too, end up with a difference based on the precision fit of the components.

I'd love to get a 7YLW bell for my horn to use the majority of the time, having testdriven a b-stock one at the Shires factory that I adored, but that's because I already know how it plays on the rest of my parts. I'd be surprised to find myself buying one to swap out on my horn without having had that experience.
71  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Is it possible to build a horn from "scratch"???? on: Sep 01, 2012, 03:16PM
It's possible... but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it unless you had an exceptionally strong grasp of your playing and what parts happen to benefit it in which areas.

Do you like unsoldered or soldered rim wires? Do you require lightweight or medium weight bells? Do you prefer one-piece or two-piece bells? There's a whole lot of people on here that claim that you can make a "bad" Shires (Expand it to Rath, Edwards, BAC, Thein) by buying parts randomly or based on hunches. I've only ever seen it once, and it was something screwy with the way the tuning slide and bell alloys expanded with temperature that caused it not to resonate quite right.

In the vast majority of cases, what you'll experience is a very good, well-built trombone that may or may not fit you better (for thousands over the cost) than a decent off-the-rack model. I got lucky buying my Shires unplayed/tested, but I'd played my friends' Shires setups frequently enough that I had a decent idea what I was looking for. You might not be so lucky.
72  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Mental Blocks on: Sep 01, 2012, 02:28PM
How do you get past mental blocks in your playing? I've been struggling with an odd one- my intonation has been suffering because in my aim to relax my entire body and move smoothly, I just don't move the slide *far* enough. Plenty fast, just not far, especially when playing softly and legato.

Do I need to contact a shrink about this?
73  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Rotor part names explained with pictures on: Sep 01, 2012, 02:26PM
Thanks for the resource, Benn!

If you'd be so kind, could you discuss (since we have the picture), what "Tightening the Bearing Plate" entails?

That might be an interesting project if you find yourself with way too much time on your hands... talking about each part of the thing and semi-common repairs and maintenance that need to be done.
74  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Pittsburgh Symphony guset soloist auditions on: Aug 10, 2012, 10:48PM
Just wondering if any trombonists sent in an audition to this Pittsburgh thing anyway. Wagenseil, Albrechtsberger, David are all public domain.

So's the Rimsky-Korsakov, and the Leo Mozart. There's still a major problem where it comes to Cadenzas, since the trombone has only been a "reputable" solo instrument for a short period of time.

Case in point, if you go to the Rimsky-Korsakov concerto on IMSLP, it's the version arranged by William Gibson, but someone photoshopped out the attribution from the first page. Yet the measure numbers, articulations, dynamics and cadenzas are identical.

You could easily foresee the same problem coming up on the David, Blue Bells, Lebedev Cto. 1, etc.

Not to mention that the orchestra parts for a number of these are probably still pricy despite being "public domain", and also not in their library already.
75  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Carrying a Trombone on a Bicycle on: Aug 07, 2012, 10:53AM
Apparently a local string-bass freelancer rode her bike something like 20 miles with her bass on her back one week when her car was in the shop. If she could do it, you should be bale to pull it off with a trombone.

To try to be helpful, the BAM cases have extremely comfortable, well balanced, secure and tight straps that probably wouldn't have much problem with a bike.
76  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: My Kanstul build - thoughts? on: Aug 07, 2012, 10:36AM
Still pondering the options for the horn.

Are Conn leadpipes compatible with Kanstul slides?  Will this http://www.hickeys.com/products/030/sku30727.htm fit a dual bore .525/.547" slide?

Still considering the tenor/small bass screw bell thing. If I end up going through with it, I'm thinking the 8.5" tenor bell should have an unsoldered bead and the 9" 'small bass' should have a soldered one.

Shires leadpipes are compatible with Kanstul slides, and they offer a large-shank .525 leadpipe option (I can't remember off the top of my head if it's the M or MT series leadpipes).

Have you tried out the .525/.547 dual-bore slide before? It's often touted on these forums as being "A nice little middle-ground between a .525 single-bore slide and a .547 single bore slide" but dual-bore slides tend to play differently than single bore slides in addition to any difference solely from the bore itself.

Try one out before you devote several thousand dollars into it.  Planning is all well and good, but the proof is in the playing.
77  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Small vs large shank. Small = easier? on: Jul 26, 2012, 05:13PM
Thing is, large shank is a bit too large (large-shank mouthpieces have a throat and backbore that's better suited to .547" bores and larger), but the small-shank is a bit limiting at times. Medium-shank, anyone?

It's limiting if you let it be limiting. I have a Bach 4 small-shank megatone which has an extremely fragile shank that doesn't look too terribly different than my 4G large-shank.

However, it's also slightly out of round suggesting that, perhaps, the tradeoff wasn't worth it.

Jeff- if you want me to bring my recorder over to your place to try out all of the various combinations that you have tomorrow, I'd be happy to.
78  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Pittsburgh Symphony guset soloist auditions on: Jul 25, 2012, 01:18PM
It's been about five weeks since this was posted on the PSO website, but I'd like to personally put my stamp on this whole ugly mess and hope that the PSO management has learned its lesson:

The PSO did NOT pick a winner among the four finalists (violin, cello, two pianists), saying that that was always a possibility.  What I personally love is the next statement: "For example, the International Tchaikovsky violin competition did not pick a winner in 2011, and the International Paganini Violin competition did not pick a winner in 2010"--as if...

You can read the press release in its entirety at the link below:


I'm of mixed minds on this- on the one side, the symphony was doing this to build community relations and I've seen orchestras attempting this do some things that mayhaps weren't entirely optimal (Like hiring a pianist in recovery from a nasty automobile accident to play Rhapsody in Blue with the orchestra during their summer concert series, while it was perhaps beyond his ability at that time). It made for a good story in the long run, but short-term people (including myself and my family) were rather puzzled.

On the other hand- I tend to get annoyed when I see that sort of thing. I find it hard to believe that of their four soloists they couldn't find a single soloist that they were willing to put up with for three nights and a matinee.

That and the whole "public domain, we're not going to spend $500 on rental parts for a guest soloist" thing makes me feel like they were setting themselves up for failure.
79  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Rest bar for a Courtois 550 bass trombone on: Jul 23, 2012, 09:13PM
I would suggest sending a PM to HouBassTrombone here (sells a lot of Courtois horns, including several basses) or emailing Dr. Pollard through his website.

Dr. Pollard's facebook shows a custom rest bar that he had soldered onto the main brace, but I don't see much reason that something like a Bullet Brace wouldn't work:
Picture: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/320098_178604198886591_2114204983_n.jpg
80  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Bigger leadpipe = more air efficient? on: Jul 12, 2012, 09:19PM
I ask because it sounded like a large mouthpiece caused problems for you.

where you playing big pipe, big piece back then? Sometimes a smaller pipe can make larger pieces work better and visa versa.

My embouchure is completely different than it was back then. I had the opportunity to take a lesson with Mr. Elliott, which was revolutionary. in fact, I'm not a low placement player, naturally, but a very high placement player, and I was using too small an embouchure motion to make for efficient shifts between registers.

Also- a completely different horn- at that time I was playing my Getzen 1062FD with the fixed leadpipe (older sub-model) which is probably equivalent to a 2 or so, on a dual-bore slide. In this discussion, I'm considering a Shires tenor with interchangeable leadpipes and a single-bore tenor crook slide.

I keep learning.

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