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1  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS: Some budget horns! Trombones and bass trumpet on: Yesterday at 08:18 AM
Update:


1. Reynolds Argenta.  These are great players!  This is a .515-bore version from 1968 or so.  All nickel-silver.  $350 shipped.

2. Bach 42B from early 1990s.  Standard wrap, lots of lacquer loss, slide good, valves and tuning slides all work well. One outer was replaced by the previous owner, inners look good. Case is the big brown latch variety with one latch broken (the other 2 are fine) $800 shipped w/o case. $825 with


3. Conn 6H from late 50s / early 60s.  Slide works very well.  Could use a water key cork.  Original case is nice.  $550 shipped

4. Holton Bass Trumpet!  Well used but still plays well.  Lots o' lacquer wear, valves work well.  No case.  $400 shipped

5. King 4B/F.  Early 80's horn in good shape, slide recently aligned, cleaned...  4B's are great players.  No ding/dents. Original case is gone, but I can probably produce some kind of case or gig bag.  Or not.  $800 shipped without the case.

6. Holton TR150. Late 70's. Nice large-bore F-attachment horn.  No ding/dents.  Many players love these.  Original case.  $900 shipped.


2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Looking for tuba advice from non-tubists on: Dec 09, 2017, 11:09PM
I would probably stick with a BBb.  They are plentiful and play well.  I would also stick with known quantities: Miraphone, MW, R Meinl, B&S, Cerveny, and King.  Spend some time on Tubenet.  There are many players there that cycle through horns and are good to deal with.
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Holton "Monster Valve" Bass?? on: Dec 09, 2017, 11:16AM
Is it just me or does the monster valve kind of remindes me of a oversized hagmann valve?

The way to visualize what is on the inside of a valve is to trace a path from mouthpiece to bell in Bb and again in F.  You will then see that this valve and the Hagmann have nothing in common.
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Independent Sterling King Duo Gravis Bass Trombone ??? on: Dec 08, 2017, 05:52PM

Well, that is the classified ad.  Where is the positive thread that preceded this?

Isn't that what bonesmarsh is talking about?  I searched for 83H threads in the Instruments section. Pretty much all negative comments about the model.
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Mt Vernon Bach 36 bell size on: Dec 07, 2017, 11:45PM
I have a Mt Vernon Bach 36 with an 8.5" bell.  Aren't 36 bells usually 8"?...

6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Independent Sterling King Duo Gravis Bass Trombone ??? on: Dec 07, 2017, 06:53AM
There was a thread claiming that 83H's are great?  I would love to see that!
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Really heavy trombones and lighter alternatives on: Dec 07, 2017, 05:47AM
BAC don't know what the hell they are doing.  How many companies can you name that build horns too heavy to be played?...
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Holton "Monster Valve" Bass?? on: Dec 06, 2017, 09:11PM

Just a note: Mine has an unengraved bell, adding to the idea that it was a prototype or some kind of limited run. On the other hand, it come in a nice hard case fitted for it that looks like a typical factory case.
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Holton "Monster Valve" Bass?? on: Dec 05, 2017, 11:48PM
I own a TR140...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/tlUVadzlgQpdcJYG2
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Double valve tenor on: Dec 05, 2017, 11:45PM
I am sorry... but if you want to play bass parts, just use a bass trombone.  They are the right tool for that.  They sound great. 
11  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: F Trigger and Double Trigger range on: Dec 03, 2017, 03:21PM
I would get a good method book, like the double valve book by Alan Raph, and get to work.  It gets better and better with tons of practice.  Good!
12  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: WTB Bach 42 BO on: Dec 02, 2017, 08:12PM
PM sent...
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Logistics: How do I shorten a tuning slide? on: Dec 01, 2017, 04:50AM
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That's nuts. I had no idea.

Do all Bach/Holton horns have aftermarket-shortened tuning slides, or is it just accepted that bass trombone players generally play flat?

Don't get carried away here.  The Bachs were on the flat side.  But none of the many I have bought/sold had been modified to be sharper.  And the Holtons are definitely not on the flat side.  The problem might just be an underdeveloped embouchure.  I would get more time on the horn before deciding to do anything.
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: What are the lightest weight Double Rotor Bass Trombones in the marketplace? on: Dec 01, 2017, 04:37AM
Weight and balance are BOTH important.  The Holton 181 is not particularly heavy, by the way.  The lighter (or lighter feeling) horns I have handled are the Yamahas, Reynolds, and Holtons.
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: What are the lightest weight Double Rotor Bass Trombones in the marketplace? on: Nov 30, 2017, 07:29PM
Shipping weight on your typical bass in a hard case will be 25 lb. 

I own a 620G.  Quite light and very comfortable.  Ergonomics are fantastic.  I did put a Shire heavyweight bell on it so it definitely has a bit more heft now.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Logistics: How do I shorten a tuning slide? on: Nov 30, 2017, 06:00AM
^ This is BS, of course.

Don't do anything by yourself.  I would send the horn to a tech who happens to be a good bass trombonist so you can be sure to get tuning to where it should be and the horn will be usable to other players.  Benn Hansson in Seattle comes to mind.

17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: A valve concept I've been conteplating for a while.... on: Nov 29, 2017, 08:17AM
Well... I'm assuming the reason the person put the valve in the tuning slide was so they could have a plug in valve which was independent. Traditional plug in valves (which require ZERO chopping up of a horn) are dependent. Which I will admit it's pretty cool to have a indy slot in valve horn.

But... IMO he did more harm to the horn by chopping up the tuning slide rather then chopping up the neckpipe. Tuning slides have a larger role in a horn then a small portion of the neck pipe. It's also much easier to replicate a neckpipe then it is a tuning slide but hey that's just me Pant

I am sure they didn't chop up original slide. The whole point is to have the ability to plug in a second valve and not modify a very special horn. Not hard to acquire a second slide.
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: A valve concept I've been conteplating for a while.... on: Nov 27, 2017, 08:46PM


Found it! I hope you all appreciate the work I put in trying to find this stupid picture. Anyway, this is an NY Bach 50 that plays well by all accounts.

There was a rationale for making this valve. Bass players very often REALLY want a second valve. This was a MV 50B that the owner did not want to chop up.  Creating a plug-in valve using a main tuning slide minimized the alterations to a very old desirable horn.  The player can have a one- or two-valve horn as needed. 

I don't see a rationale for the proposed valve set-up. It will never be an improvement to what is currently available. Maybe that is just me.
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: A valve concept I've been conteplating for a while.... on: Nov 26, 2017, 07:16PM
Well, I can make a long list of disadvantages.  And zero advantages...
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Just bought a Silver plated Bach 42C! on: Nov 26, 2017, 01:17PM
The difference in weight should be obvious.  The solid silver bells I have handled are heavy!
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