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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Filing Mute Cork? on: Yesterday at 03:11 AM
Perhaps this belongs in another thread, but I'm curious about what people do regarding filing mutes to fit, when they have multiple instruments they play on a regular basis?

Do you have separate mutes for each horn?

--Andy in OKC
2  Teaching & Learning / Composition, Arranging and Theory / Re: Gary Lindsay, Jazz Arranging Techniques on: Apr 26, 2017, 04:26AM
I had to read it in little bits and multiple times, too.  In fact, it's probably time to get it out and go through it again...  :)

--Andy in OKC
3  Teaching & Learning / Composition, Arranging and Theory / Re: Gary Lindsay, Jazz Arranging Techniques on: Apr 25, 2017, 03:56AM

The theory is clear to me, but how do I know which notes I can omit if I have a chord with more than 5 notes in it?

Lindsay talks about this specifically in his book.  Keep reading.  Great stuff in there!

--Andy in OKC
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Thayer questions on: Apr 21, 2017, 02:37AM
You can test the seal by taking off the handslide and tuning slide, blocking off the tuning slide inner connecting tube with your finger, and blowing into the bell receiver. If the valves are leaky you will probably hear air escaping when you do that.

When one does this test, should one also remove the tuning slides from the valve section(s)?

--Andy in OKC
5  Teaching & Learning / Composition, Arranging and Theory / Re: Relative strengths and weaknesses of different music notation software programs on: Apr 21, 2017, 02:32AM
If it is about a file format that a publisher needs... I'm extremely skeptical. A modern printing house can't figure out postscript or pdf?

I can entirely imagine one backward printing house claiming it is so. When i worked in video I heard preposterous claims from video professionals about what you could and couldn't do with computer graphics so yeah, there may indeed be someone who's been in the business 100 years claiming MuseScore can't be used but... I'm skeptical about their claim.


Bars per system? Really?
Chord symbols? Are they in Chinese?

Don't know

That's a long way for me to go to do a free tech support call.

You don't have time to present an example? I understand.

But understand that, absent any evidence, I concede nothing because last time we had this discussion here and someone actually defined a specific something that CAN'T BE DONE, they were wrong and after I made a video showing how easy it was to do this impossible thing their response was, "oh, well that's because you know how to use the program."  Yeah, RIGHT.

It's entirely appropriate for you to use a program you are familiar with and that does what you need it to do.

But telling me about about a program you don't use, based on "someone said ________"

... I remain skeptical.

Exzaclee has a ton of experience seeing the results of student work created by MuseScore.  He's telling you firsthand about some of the goofiness he's seen turned in as assignments and what his students said when questioned.  It's not as though he's only spoken to a couple of guys, or read some stuff on the internet.   (Or slept overnight in a Holiday Inn Express.)

I used MuseScore in Zac's class and I know darned well "Exzaclee" how picky he is about notation.  And the two areas Zac mentioned, chord symbols and bars per line, were issues that I had to address manually in MuseScore.  The delivered chord symbol xml file supports a variety of different input/output styles and it's easy to make a mistake by switching midstream in a set of changes.  You can either look for this before submitting your work, or hand edit the XML to allow multiple inputs but only a single output for each chord symbol.  And, there is no automatic process to set the number of bars per line.  That's a manual process that I do after I finish my entry.

There are other idiosyncrasies and annoyances, but as many have noted, those exist in all products.  Zac uses Finale because it makes him money.  (Having played his stuff, I know why.)  I use MuseScore because I'm cheap.  :D  Fortunately, after using it for so many years, I was able to do what was required for his class.  But, I pity the noob who thinks they can download MuseScore and hammer out a big band chart over a weekend. 

Thank goodness we weren't required to do any hand notation for his class.  You know the old saw about giving 1,000 monkeys typewriters.  Well, my manuscript looks like the output of a thousand monkeys using pencils... :/

--Andy in OKC
(Occasional writer, and proud recipient of an A in professor Lee's class!  Good!)
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: How does a Bach 7c compare to a Bach 6 1/2 AL? on: Apr 19, 2017, 09:17AM
I played a 6-3/4C for many years(45 years) and I loved it.  I now play a 6-1/2A (not AL). When I played mostly lead, the 6-3/4C was perfect for me. Since I don't play much lead now, I went to the 6-1/2A.  I feel that is a comfortable change for me. I very highly recommend the 6-3/4C. (I played a Bach Corp.)

Chip, I assume the 6-3/4C mp shipped with the Wessex .525 is modeled off the 6-3/4C mouthpiece you mentioned?  My daughter sounds great with this mp on her Wessex.

--Andy in OKC
7  Creation and Performance / Other Musicians and Ensembles / Re: Mnozil Brass in Denton Texas tonight! on: Apr 06, 2017, 07:37PM
Fantastic performance in Stillwater, OK, last night!  So glad they came through Oklahoma on this trip.

--Andy in OKC
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Wessex Bass Bone on: Apr 03, 2017, 04:02AM
Some good ideas here already.  I'll throw in considering getting some kind of grip.  I'm in a similar situation with aging, small hands and was experiencing pain and difficulty holding horns.  I got a Sheridan Get-A-Grip.  That helped me.

--Andy in OKC
9  Practice Break / Found on the 'Net / Re: Making your own Mouthpieces on: Apr 02, 2017, 05:04AM
You recommend a 13mm "squinge-grobber"? 

13mm?  Are you nuts!?  That must be for bass trombone!

--Andy in OKC
10  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: How to get a better sound when playing loud? on: Apr 02, 2017, 04:50AM
Denis Wick used to say that most people cannot play loud because they don't practice loud.... has to be pretty central to it. Most young players only play loud in ensembles, expecting it to just happen when needed. It does not.

Chris Stearn

With the young kids I work with, many never have practiced playing loudly.  So, in ensemble warmups I always include playing dynamic extremes, including percussives like forte-piano / crescendo.  I see many and directors with solid warmup routines that somehow fail to include dynamics.  (And, yes, my warmups probably overlook things that that they include. ;-) )

--Andy in OKC
11  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Sorcerer's Apprentice on: Apr 01, 2017, 04:44AM
Andy, what do you perform on that concert? Rests? I am a bit confused... Eeek! :/

That was a joke meant to indicate that I'm prone to playing in the rests unintentionally.

(Apparently it wasn't a particularly good joke... hehehe ;-) )

12  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: #60secpractise on: Mar 30, 2017, 02:59AM
I really don't use any social media, but from what I understand, you place a hash/pound/sharp symbol in front of something to give a social media post a specific tag or label (e.g. #brexit, #icebucketchallenge, etc.). That way, if someone wanted to know more about a certain "trending" topic, they could search for that hashtag and find all posts that include the tag.

The OP's goal is for us to be able to share short practice videos with each other and critique each other. Adding #60secpractise to our Instagram posts makes it easier to identify videos created for this thread.

I remember when Instagram was just an app to apply photo filters...

Yep.  I'd just add that often, hashtags are used to group together posts that serve as "challenges".  In this case, I think that's what the OP is suggesting; a friendly challenge to get people moving and motivated, with a goal of reminding us that we are all still working hard on our journey to master the instrument.

Our daughter plays the trombone.  And, she's sometimes still very shy and insecure about her playing.  I believe that's because she's heard enough quality performances over the years and knows that she does not hear that (yet) when she performs.  It's easy to lose sight of the fact that even great players are still working on things and not everything is performance ready.

I showed her a short video Christopher Bill made recently.  He's is one of her "next generation heros" and he is very active on social media promoting the trombone, especially through quartet arrangements of pop tunes.  Normally these are very polished affairs.  But in this video, Christopher Bill was showing us a glimpse of a practice session focused on the Blue Bells of Scotland.  And he showed everything, warts and all.  It was good for her to see that what she does in practice is not too different than what he does.  And that it does indeed lead to performances that she finds more than acceptable. :)

I like the OP's idea.  Good!

--Andy in OKC
13  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: I'm new on: Mar 30, 2017, 02:45AM
Price is good for a nice condition 606.  Kings from the mid-70s were great quality.

Agreed.  I would advise a beginner student to accept a deal like this one.  I like those 606's from that era and the 605's even better.

--Andy in OKC
14  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Low f in first position on: Mar 30, 2017, 02:42AM
Thanks for the tips.  I have my low F in tune in T1 and play everything else off the bumper.  However , I do end up flat on the low F when playing a decending scale from hi F. Needs work.
Thanks for the exercise of 8 quarters in 6th then 8 in T1. Seems to be helping.
Is there an easy test that I could do to see if my Thayer valve is leaking?


Exzaclee is a much better player than I am, but I will also suggest trying this the other way.  Play the whole note first to stabilize the note and the chops.  Then play 8 quarters and work to keep embouchure firm and set without any unnecessary motion as you produce the quarter notes.

I had some pretty serious fundamental problems in this range on the horn until I got some embouchure instruction.  For me, it wasn't a matter of not practicing down there on the horn.  My approach was incorrect.  Once I got started down the correct path, things worked so much better and my practice really began to lead to major improvements.

Best of luck to you.

--Andy in OKC
15  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Sorcerer's Apprentice on: Mar 30, 2017, 02:35AM
I wish I could be in an orchestra again. 

I enjoyed playing but I also enjoyed hearing others play during the rests and the tacets.

If you really miss hearing others play during rests and tacets, I'd be happy to invite you to the next concert in which I perform.   Evil

--Andy in OKC
16  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS: 'bone books on: Mar 29, 2017, 03:52AM
Email sent - Sam's book

--Andy in OKC
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Sheridan Brass Get-A-Grip question on: Mar 29, 2017, 03:47AM
I'm not sure about the benge, but I have a Duo Gravis and it fits well enough on that horn.  (I mention as I believe the two horns are similar in this area.)

--Andy in OKC
18  Creation and Performance / Music, Concerts and Recordings / Re: Stan Kenton Legacy Orchestra Tour Dates on: Mar 28, 2017, 04:10AM
I caught the band when they came through Oklahoma.  (Last year or the year before?  I don't recall now.)

Great show.  Mix of old and new stuff.  Well worth the time to see.  It's disappointing that the band has trouble with bookings.  >:(

--Andy in OKC
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: King 3B+ on: Mar 23, 2017, 04:06AM
Maybe a valve alignment issue?

--Andy in OKC
20  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: What to do with overly-loud trumpet players? on: Mar 22, 2017, 03:36AM
A couple of years back, I took some students to see a performance of Stan Kenton's mellophonium-era music featuring Joel Kay.  The venue where we were going to see the performance is rather intimate.  As we entered the building, I handed each one a new pair of foam earplugs.  The kids all asked, "is it going to be loud"?  I just smiled and said, "trust me".   Evil

We thoroughly enjoyed the evening.  Fabulous performance by the band.  And, we left that evening with our hearing intact.  Good!

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