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1  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Practice mute or mouthpiece buzzing plus other things? on: Dec 05, 2017, 07:34PM
But realize I've actually worked with Andy directly, both by Skype and in person.

 Good!  Yes, and the exercises without the understanding that goes with them would be pointless.  And likely only specific to my particular shortcomings.

Probably time for another lesson... :)

2  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Practice mute or mouthpiece buzzing plus other things? on: Dec 05, 2017, 08:02AM

On a related note, I'm doing the "Cat Anderson" 5-minute whisper C exercise on the cornet with my son. Blowing a whisper middle c for 5 minutes (breathing allowed!) That seems to be purely to build endurance. We've done a 5 days in a row, but so far, nothing to report, except my son is definitely bored with it!

I'm pretty sure the Cat Anderson routine calls for a whisper G (not a C - the low C doesn't engage the chops enough and the in-the-staff C often introduces other issues.) -- and many people don't play it correctly.  They just play it soft and that's not what Cat was advocating.  It has to be played so the sound almost isn't there at all.  For me, I find it helps with both efficiency and with range.  YMMV, of course.

And for me, Doug's exercises have been more beneficial overall, for all my brass playing.  (But I do occasionally do the whisper G when I'm working my trumpet chops.)

--Andy in OKC
3  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: The switch from trombone to trumpet on: Nov 23, 2017, 04:57AM
I was never able to play trumpet with any appreciable facility until I had a couple of lessons from Doug Elliott to correct some things in my embouchure.  Now, I find that I'm able to play just about anything brass, to varying degrees, of course.  I routinely go back and forth between tuba, trombone and trumpet these days.

--Andy in OKC
4  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Hand pain and a brace on: Nov 23, 2017, 04:46AM
If I look at the trombone from the end (either end!) the hand slide brace and the brace from bell to receiver make two legs of a triangle.  I would add the third side. 

So the triangle sits in the plane of the bell section and not the hand slide?  Confused

Hmmm.  Maybe you're saying rotated 90 degrees out of the plane of the hand slide.

--Andy in OKC
5  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Hand pain and a brace on: Nov 22, 2017, 09:03AM
I think what you're describing is similar to what Jupiter offers on a beginner horn?  (Not sure what model.)  Kind of like a triangular wedge that the fingers wrap around?

I've been tempted to try to craft a hand grip like that with a 3D printer.

--Andy in OKC
6  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: Sheet Music for Sale--tenor trombone, brass quintets, brass choirs on: Nov 21, 2017, 05:53PM
If you have Google account, post it to Google Drive and share the document publicly via a link.  You can keep the spreadsheet updated as things sell without having to post to this thread repeatedly.

This.  Good! Good! Good! Good!

Google Docs has a spreadsheet feature.  Free.  Works reasonably close enough to any other spreadsheet that the learning curve is very small.  And you can easily share a read-only link to the document here on the forum.  So, you can update it at any time and we can all see the updated list.

No muss, no fuss.

--Andy in OKC
7  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Hey Doug, I really need your help and insight on the matter. Others too!!! on: Nov 15, 2017, 04:03AM
He really is very accessible, even to us amateurs.  (I put off seeing him for years thinking he taught only people at higher levels than me - turns out he's just as accommodating to those of us without advanced skills.) 

I second this.  Doug was more than accommodating to me.  Almost assuredly the best money I've spent on anything trombone related.

-- Andy in OKC
8  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS: Doug Elliott Parts on: Nov 11, 2017, 04:53AM
I've got dibs on his brain, please.  :D

--Andy in OKC
9  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: mouthpieces, mutes and project horns fire sale on: Nov 09, 2017, 03:52AM
PM sent.

--Andy in OKC
10  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Picking out high notes out of thin air. on: Nov 01, 2017, 04:34AM
Thanks for the input so far, I do think my ability to hear those pitches in my head is probably the biggest part of my problem.  Since they are above my singing range (and I do sing regularly in a choir) it's harder for me to pitch the higher notes correctly in my head without another note to go from.  That does give me something to work on. 

Very often, the note you need to play has been played recently by another instrument in the ensemble.  Listen for that to get the pitch in your head.

--Andy in OKC
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Ultra low price tuners on: Nov 01, 2017, 04:26AM
I have the iStrobesoft App on my iPhone.

$9.99 and it works great!

It's like the old Conn Strobetuner and Peterson strobe tuners of yore!

Jerry Walker

Edit: Forgot the link


I've been curious about this.  Is it anywhere close to the real thing?  Or does it just look like one?

--Andy in OKC
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Which inner tube for a 3b? on: Oct 27, 2017, 04:29AM

While you're doing the work, I'd replace both and take care of the out of round issue at the same time.  The price of the part is probably less than the labor to fix it.

 Good! Good!

--Andy in OKC
13  Town Hall / Comments and Suggestions / Re: Donations on: Oct 23, 2017, 03:55PM
I kicked in $25 last night. Hope it helps, as I spend way too much time on this site.

I chipped in this evening.  I also find this site to be very valuable.

--Andy in OKC
14  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS - Tbn Mute Bags and a Mute on: Oct 21, 2017, 05:00AM
email sent - softone mute.

--Andy in OKC
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Best non adhesive handgrip tape on: Oct 15, 2017, 05:02AM
Velox Tressorex cloth handlebar tape works really well and is very cheap to boot 😀. I've used it for years and I find I don't grip as hard to hold the horn which helps with overall relaxation. One word of caution, what ever you use I always put a layer of clear sticky backed plastic (Fablon ? ) on the horn first as sweat will soak through most tapes and be trapped against the metal which over time will start to etch the surface. This also works great on the gooseneck and of course is invisible, it's a bit of a pain to remove but doesn't damage the lacquer if you take your time.


This was my concern when I used Silicone tape in the past.  It seems like moisture and oil wick up underneath the tape.  Maybe I'll try to find something like Fablon...

--Andy in OKC
16  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Big Band Trombone Section Features on: Oct 10, 2017, 08:17PM
We do an arrangement of "How High the Moon" that features the trombone section.  1st, 2nd, and 3rd have improvised solos 16, 16, and 12 bars respectively).

Pretty sure you're describing the Dave Wolpe arrangement.

--Andy in OKC
17  Teaching & Learning / Schools, Colleges and Conservatories / Re: Time Management Struggles -AP Kid on: Oct 07, 2017, 04:50AM
    Some rough guidelines:

    1) Decide what your priorities are.
    2) Ask someone*an adult* you trust to review those priorities (not a peer - your parents, a teacher, guidance counselor, etc)
    3) Designate time accordingly. 
    4) Recognize that it's ok if practicing doesn't end up getting more time allotted to it. [/li][/list]

    That said, just as with practice topics, your best bet to get good advice is to speak with your teacher(s) and, in this case, parents and mentors.

    This is good advice.  Good! Good!  (I made one minor tweak to #2 just to emphasize what I think Dan was indicating in the latter part of the item.)
    -Andy in OKC
    18  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Hey Doug, I really need your help and insight on the matter. Others too!!! on: Sep 29, 2017, 04:04AM
    OK ... now watch the second segment. It elaborates solely on one important concept (very briefly alluded to in the first segment). It will really drive home an important point regarding the cause of stagnation.

    Watching it now.  I absolutely agree. Good! 

    Praise process / progress / effort.  (This concept equally applies to gifted and talented kids.)

    --Andy in OKC
    19  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Hey Doug, I really need your help and insight on the matter. Others too!!! on: Sep 28, 2017, 04:00AM
    I found this series of TED talks to be relevant to trombone practice and performance:

    "Practice makes perfect"

    The first 2 segments (out of 9) are most helpful and relevant. The first few minutes of the first segment (entitled "Practice Makes Perfect") will be a wake-up call to any serious musician suffering from stagnation.

    I just watched the first one.  Bingo!

    --Andy in OKC
    20  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Tired chops and intonation on: Sep 24, 2017, 05:28AM
    Pitch will go sharp if you get tired and start pinching with your lips to keep going when you should have stopped.

    The same thing happens with players who habitually pinch to go higher.  If high range is sharp and low range is flat, it's from pinching and collapsing instead of controlling from the corners.

    I so wish I had known this when I was younger.

    My advice to you as a returner... Find a good teacher.  Doug is one whose skills include very deep understanding of chops.  I've been fortunate enough to have had a couple of lessons from Doug.  I *always* learn and I'm a much improved player as a result.  His lessons are less than the cost of a good mouthpiece and they'll do far more for your playing.  Good!

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