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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bach16 question on: Jan 15, 2017, 05:44AM
That`s funny because I find the Kings stuffy or restrictive in the upper Range and not the Bachs.
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Conn 30H, is it worth it? on: Jan 14, 2017, 04:23PM
I had one years ago. They don`t play like a 6H at all. (for me) no back up when the horn is pushed. Very bright horn but plays bigger than it is
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Bach16 question on: Jan 13, 2017, 06:42PM
I`m interested in possibly picking up a Bach 16 (not 16M) . I have a great Lt12G and a fantastic Lt16MG. How does the 16 feel compared to these. . I know it`s all subjective, but are there quirks with the dual bore vs. the single bores. Just curious
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Jazz horn, new or vintage on: Jan 13, 2017, 05:38PM
The problem with the 354 is the one piece cork barrel. You won't easily be able to add a leadpipe collar for the threaded leadpipes. You could have a tech swap out for a Shires cork barrel. For such a project, I might consider it. You will be saving money by not buying a more expensive horn.  On the other hand, you can leave the cork barrel as-is and if you try a few threaded pipes and settle on one, you can have a tech file down the threads.  I did this to a Conn 36H that I put a Shires #2 in.  The pipe is not soldered, but because the threads were filed down, the top of the pipe has a little more material, so it "sticks" in the slide. Its still more easily removable than threads because all it takes is pulling on it, but it also doesn't slide out when I try to remove my mouthpiece.


Why go thru all of this for a student model horn. What you`re going to spend you can get a good used pro horn
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Does your equipment influence what you play? on: Jan 11, 2017, 07:56AM
I think to a certain extent this is true. What you play influences what equipment is choosen. That being said, You have to go for what works for you and what helps you acheive that "sound" in your head. Steve Turre, David Gibson,Steve Davis, Robin Eubanks, Slide Hampton all play big horns. Why, I`n assuming because that`s the feel & sound that they want to get their job done. They all sound great on those horns and it lets their personal voice come thru. Watrous, Fontana, Rosolino, Herwig,Fedchock all play small horns. Why? Same reason as above.
Ralph Sauer went to a .525 slide at the end of his LA Phil career. Alot of the Symphonic Players have multiple horns/bore sixes for different literature and styles. Why? Because the music and the period dictate the sound
I played for around 20 - 25 years on either a Conn 78H or a Bach 36 for EVERYTHING. Brass Quintet, Ska, Blues, R&B/Soul Big Band whatever came my way. I now use smaller gear because I want to but I still have a 36 for when I need it. There`s a guy here in Sarasota that plays the hell out of a LT36G for just abou everything he plays. Why? Because it works for him.
Find what works for you.
Just my 2 cents
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Jazz horn, new or vintage on: Jan 07, 2017, 11:16AM
So you have a year before you go away to school to study. Since you have that amount of time, why settle for a student model horn with a different leadpipe. ? Save your money and look for a good used Bach 12 or 16M, or a King 2B , 2B+ or a 3B, Conn 6H or 100H. You can sometimes get a very good deal on good used horns, I have.  This will give you sometime to get used to the horn before going away to college. The student horn would be POK if you also had to do Marching Band but for a Jazz Major in College, I`d , personally< stay away from a student model horn. You`re going to invest in te horn and the leadpipe and the cost of having it pulled and then in  year or less you`re going to want a pro horn anyway
7  Teaching & Learning / Composition, Arranging and Theory / Re: Flugel in place of french horn on: Jan 06, 2017, 04:59AM
I have one of the older Circular Mellophones that I use every once & a while. Mostly for improvisation in more of a "Free" Improvisational setting. I had a Tech friend of mine expand the lead pipe to accomidate a trombone mouthpiece. I use a Pardube on it and it took the key of the horn from Eb to D. I use it more for color and texture and it works beautifully. I wanted that style rather than the Kenton/Marching band style because of the sound is more "French Horn like" with the bell going back rather than in the front witch to me tend to sound a little blatty
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bach 34B Question on: Jan 06, 2017, 04:51AM
If you don`t want it , let me know
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Silver Plated Trombones: Why not well accepted? on: Jan 01, 2017, 12:18PM
I had a former student that has a silver plated 36B that is one of the BEST playing 36`s I`ve ever incountered. Or I should say was, He beat the living crap out of it.
10  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / 2B FS or Trade & 2 mouthpieces - Horn has been sold/Mthpcs still available on: Dec 30, 2016, 08:11AM
I`m looking to either sell or trade my H.N.White 2B Liberty. Serial # puts it at between 1955 - 1960. It`s in great condition. It may have been over hauled some time in the past. Very little lacquer wear I`m the 2nd owner of this horn. I knew the original owner and besides being a wonderful Trombonist he really kept great care of his horns. I bought it after he past away. Comes with a Black King Coffin case (not the original case). I`m selling or trading because the 2B is not my cup of tea and this is a good playing horn that needs to played.
$1,200 plus shipping or Trade..  Continental US only, Please                Horn has been sold
Here`s what I`m looking to trade for.
. Bach Lt36G (straight)
                                       Bach 50B (single trigger, LT slide preferred)
                                       King 2B+ with a Gold brass bell
                            --------email me for pictures---------

And 2 Mouthpieces (Both small shank and small pieces)
1) NY Bach 12C, Raw Brass and the shank has been cut down ( I`m assuming for either a small alto or maybe an Olds or Reynolds?) $40 plus shipping
2) Bell Aire 43 Mouthpiece. Shank , rim & cup silver outter body Gold plated. Rosolino played this brand for years. It`s around a Bach 15C size with a shallow V cup $40 plus shipping
                          -------- email for pictures--------
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Sliver Plated Trombones: Why not well accepted? on: Dec 29, 2016, 03:21PM
I`ve had 3 silver plated trombones over the years. All 3 were Conns.
1910 Conn Valve trombone
1928 78H
1990 8H
the 78H & the 8H played very dark and both were heavy horns. Sadly all gone now.
12  Teaching & Learning / Composition, Arranging and Theory / Re: Flugel in place of french horn on: Dec 29, 2016, 04:10AM
An Alto Horn or a Mellowphone might be an easier quick learn.
ou could also try combinations. I like somewhat different combinations of horns to get unique sounds.
Flugel-Horn & Alto Trombone or Alto Horn & Bass Trumpet or Flugel & Alto Trombone
Just an idea
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bach screw rim mouthpieces on: Dec 28, 2016, 12:38PM
I`ve had several screw rim Bachs over the  years
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Wider slide or continue bending shanks? on: Dec 28, 2016, 12:35PM
why not try a 16M top slide tube on a 36. making it more of Conn 32H a dual bore  .509/525. That would keep the wider slide but give you a "smaller" horn.
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Wick 6BL or Bach 6 1/2A? on: Dec 24, 2016, 06:07PM
I`ve always found that the Wick`s play brighter than the Bach`s. Just my experience
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Always Kings but never Bachs, Why? on: Dec 21, 2016, 02:20PM
As I`ve stated before, I spent a little over 20 years playing either Conn 78H`s or later on Bach36. I still have a great 36. But the players that I really listened alot too and tried to emulate are Bill Watrous, Carl Fontana and Conrad Herwig - all small Bach players. I could never really get that little something in their sounds that comes from playing Bachs. I switched to small bachs around 010 years ago. and I finally was able to get the sound that was in my head all these years out of the end of my horn.
I have a 2B+ SS and like it for certain situations. But for the most part .. it`s a small Bach (either 12G or 16MG) for me.
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bach NY & Mt. Vernon, supply and demand on: Dec 21, 2016, 06:15AM
I just looked at my Jazz model small and a Mt V 12C.
They seem almost exactly the same, except the Jazz model rim is (to me) more comfortable and it`s outer profile looks more like a King 28.
It does seem to have a slightly darker tone quality than the 12C but that could just be me
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bach NY & Mt. Vernon, supply and demand on: Dec 20, 2016, 06:37AM
I still play my original 1978 7C on one of my horns , but once I discovered a Mount Vernon 7C I was "blown away" as to the sound I was getting as compared to the other piece. I now own 7 Mount Vernon`s and would love to get my hands on a NY 7C.
I also have a Mount Vernon 11C and 12C that both are very good pieces.
I do a NY Jazz Model small and a NY 12C that the shank has been cut down supposedly for an Alto (I`d let this go if someone rea;;y wants it)
The Jazz model is similar in size to a 12C with a different throat
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Always Kings but never Bachs, Why? on: Dec 18, 2016, 08:39AM
It depends on where you live and , of course, the gigs you play.
Growing up in Rochester, NY in the shadow of the Eastman School of Music, everything had to be, big horn big mouthpiece, symphonic sound  !!!! And you had to play a Conn 88H, or 8H
When I started working and playing in Buffalo, a mere 60 miles away, everyone was playing smaller bore horns with more "Jazz sounds"(if there is such a thing)
Now I`m in Sarasota, Fl  and I`m finding that having a little edge to your sound helps although I do have a couple of steady gigs where I can pull out my "inner Watrous" so to speak.
So geographic location does make a difference.
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Always Kings but never Bachs, Why? on: Dec 18, 2016, 07:36AM
Geezer, You are right. I have 9 trombones and except for the 2 large bore horns, everything has a Mount Vernon 7C. However, I lined all of my horns up one day and also the mouthpieces. and "fit" the right 7C with the right horn. They all play a little different and when the right mp went into the right horn I could instently tell the difference. It took some time and my wife thinks I`m nuts but that`s what worked for me
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