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1  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: What's new in lube? on: Apr 23, 2017, 12:38PM
One thing to consider.  Creams and silicones don't mix.  If you are using Trombotine and put on Slide-O-Mix it gets gummy.  Same in reverse.  If you want to go from a cream to a silicone you have to clean the slide really well.

On the contrary, I've had great success with a layer of Ttrombotine, then Yamaha slide oil over that on 1957 Ambassador. Definitely not gonna work on all horns though  Good!
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Sexxxy, Hott, and...Heavy! (Favorite Counterweights) on: Apr 21, 2017, 02:47PM
I did this  for my daughter's besson

58mark, looks fantastic :D :D! What's it made of? Heck, that whole end of the horn looks an awful lot like an Ambassador to my eyes.
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: How many dents do you tolerate in your horns? on: Apr 21, 2017, 02:35PM
All three of my horns have decent-sized dents in the tuning slides (I've actually posted a couple times about them  :D). I play for fun mostly, and if it still sounds/feels good, it IS good! Dents in the inners or outers obviously don't go at all, and I've yet to be the cause of a dent in a bell of one of my horns.
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: eBay cheap instruments on: Apr 20, 2017, 05:26PM
I had an acquaintance who got a Chinese contrabassoon that he must have spent as much in repair work as he did for the initial instrument and it still did not play well.

I'll admit that something like *this* is surprising considering how much it must have cost, plus given how few manufacturers of contrabassoons and bassoons are out there (like, there's no entry-level!).

I do wonder whether companies that DO make cheap versions of what can be considered "high-profile" instruments (cimbasso, contrabass trombone, contrabassoons - I'm thinking instruments that music majors and professionals would ordinarily be playing) actually make strides TO make instruments of the highest quality they can. Sometimes, it's seems like they actually put in the effort, but unfortunately just don't happen to hit the mark.
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Jazzbone on: Apr 20, 2017, 10:10AM
Has anyone actually seen these played out in the wilderness? Perhaps comic effect/show factor one-offs at actual gigs and stuff? I was highly interested in them when they were first introduced, but I haven't heard of many players actually out there using them at all besides Trent and the few guys around here.
6  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: I recorded with my C-trombone, please comment :-) on: Apr 19, 2017, 07:58AM
Tom, you wouldn't mind posting a couple more photos here?
7  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: I recorded with my C-trombone, please comment :-) on: Apr 18, 2017, 03:23PM
I was thinking about the trills too, they sounded REALLY clean and accurate, Tom. Well-played!
The horn itself to me sounds a bit like a silver-plated small bore Bb horn, from my experience with silver horns. At the very least, the silver-plated trumpets I've played tend to be not necessarily more bright, but sort of have more presence, maybe.

Just my experience!
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Shorty ST-4 Soprano Trombone on: Apr 18, 2017, 08:35AM
Suuuper-cool find!

I'll admit, I tried two different slide trumpets/soprano trombones and struggled to sound good on either. And yes, I'd been *deep* in trumpet practice at the time, so it came as a surprise that I sounded so nasally and sort of whiny on it when my trumpet sound was actually quite good, and I was using my own mouthpiece.

Have fun!
9  Teaching & Learning / Composition, Arranging and Theory / Re: "New" recording on: Apr 18, 2017, 08:17AM
anyone? Tips and comments appreciated!
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Sexxxy, Hott, and...Heavy! (Favorite Counterweights) on: Apr 17, 2017, 07:15PM
Always loved the look of that old King counterweight. MAN, it looks slick!
11  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Balancing mouthpiece practice on: Apr 17, 2017, 08:40AM
Hey trombrethren  :)
I've been playing a LOT less trombone than usual, but at leat 4 times a week I like to pick up the horn and do some maintenance for a while so that I don't lose my range or tone.
But every once in a while, when making recordings in the home studio or covering parts in big band, I need to pull out the large bore with a big mouthpiece. At one point, I had a solid pedal F, but that seems to be long since gone. My sound is still there down to a pedal G, and my range hasn't depleted, but my endurance has taken a bit of a beating.
I typically practice trumpet at least an hour daily (I've got time, and progress is both swift and satisfying since I started last winter), so adding in flugel, small bore trombone, and large bore with a 51 and with a Kelly 1.5G, there's a total of five instruments that I play or cover every once in a while - the bulk of it being of course small bore tbn.

So what are some general practice/maintenance tips one can follow to be a successful doubler?

I don't need to be a virtuoso to hold my own on lead trombone, and I'm certainly not looking to be a modern George Roberts on the low end, nor do I play enough flugel to make it a high priority in my schedule.
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Good MP for switching between bass and tenor on: Apr 17, 2017, 08:26AM
I don't really understand this question whenever it pops up. Why not use the bass mouthpiece you sound best with on bass, and your favorite tenor mouthpiece on tenor? Why compromise? Find what sounds and plays best on each, make sure you have a distinct sound concept in mind,  and your chops will adapt to whatever you put on your face.

Also, you might find that an extremely deep cupped but tenor-rimmed mouthpiece works great on bass for earlier or lighter rep that needs a lighter bass sound and doesn't go low.

Agreed... personally, I find that doing two things helps me play better on each respective instrument:
1) Seeing it as a DIFFERENT instrument - bass trombone to me plays quite a bit differently from small or large bore tenor, and from my experience it sound better to get a sort of "fat, bouncy" sound concept on bass. Helps me support my air all around the horn.
2) Finding the horn/mouthpiece combo that seems to fit both my sound concept AND is comfortable as easy as possible to play on, then practicing on that until I'm at thepoint I want to be at.

Pretty simple tips! That's not to say you SHOULDN'T use one mouthpiece if that's really your thing. If it's good, it's good! Good!
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Alto horn mpc on Alto tormbone? on: Apr 16, 2017, 05:48PM
Really good info here!
It's interesting to me to see all the different viewpoints on why it should be done one or another way. From what I've been able to gather, though, the alto trombone should lean more towards a tenor trombone sound than that of an alto horn sound - which makes sense!
Le.Tromboniste explained it well though - from what I've heard and done myself even, it seems a lot of players pick up the horn and play it just like they'd play a tenor, not really thinking of it as a different instrument.

In any case, I was just curious. It seemed - nad still seems - rather odd that folks continually choose a bigger mouthpiece on a smaller instrument. Reminds me of using a 4g or 3g on a small bore tenor. But it seems to come down to sound and feedback preferences. Lot more reading to do here still.

Thanks guys!  Good!
14  Teaching & Learning / Composition, Arranging and Theory / "New" recording on: Apr 15, 2017, 09:33PM
Hey trombrethren,
Yesterday I posted a remake of a piece I made back in 2015 before going to Europe. Initially, the tune was meant to sort of be a humorous tune that played heavily off of those old Japanese animated cartoon themes (like Pokemon and especially Dragon Ball Z, where they used a lot of horns mixed with rock music).

The tune is at the link below. Let me know how you feel about the mix and the arrangement. The older version is at the bottom.


The live horns here are three trumpets, three flugels, two small bore tenors and a large bore acting as a bass. I also added in a synth-tuba and synth-bass to fill out the bottom end with the contrabasses.

Let me know what you guys think of the arrangement, performance, and mix! Today I took the first link down and reposted a version where I actually basically redid the whole mix from scratch and added several guitar parts. That's where that real drive was missing before!


15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / fasch.eu: I still wanna know!! on: Apr 14, 2017, 08:03AM
So a couple years ago now, I posted about fasch horns.

I was wondering if any more players bit the bullet and tried some of their horns, and can attests to how the sound and hold up?
I'm not considering buying one by any means. But I'm just curious as to how they play, because this company somehow makes really *pretty* horns at what i can onlt describe as hurtfully low prices.

16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Roy Benson trombones on: Apr 14, 2017, 07:28AM
I've played their bass trombone at least. Don't know much about the company, but that horn was darned good for an amateur player who doesn't demand Bach or Yamaha-quality sound from a bass. I'm certainly not averted to buying from them.
17  Teaching & Learning / Composition, Arranging and Theory / Re: Which 4-part group is more versatile? on: Apr 11, 2017, 06:01PM
I've asked a couple of times about doubling. Couldn't you have more than one setup, with you doubling, and maybe one or both of the reed players?

I could, absolutely! It's shaping up to be that this particular group will only be practicing for this one song anyway. In the future I'll likely be doubling more "hardcore" (though I'll be playing a good amount of trombone for this event in general.)
18  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: 1st trombone bass trombone on: Apr 11, 2017, 05:45PM
To those who say "if all you have is a bass, then sure, for an amateur/high school band, a bass is fine," I agree.

But OP's profile says that he/she plays tenors!

So if you don't have a choice,
or if you or your conductor have a specific sound-vision that calls for tenor parts to be played on bass trombones,
or if you have some other justification...
then yes, go for it!
But otherwise... why??

I'd certainly love to hear the blend of a sections that went from darkest on top to brightest at the bottom. Probably sounds terrible.
19  Teaching & Learning / Composition, Arranging and Theory / Re: Which 4-part group is more versatile? on: Apr 11, 2017, 08:51AM
As we've seen, you can work with whatever instruments you need to.  If you want some punch down low, tenor saxophone and trombone are not interchangeable.  Those notes below tenor sax range are still very strong trombone notes.  Filling out harmonies, tenor sax is great.  Holding down the bottom, trombone can do it much better.

Really good point, Steve. Trombone does certainly have a certain sound and can get power down there that tenor simply can't. I'll keep that one in mind. Either way though, you're right - roughly any and all wind instruments work well when well-written; you guys ever heard of Albie Donnelly's Supercharge? I saw them live in Stuttgart this part winter, they have an AMAZING funk sound and they're a bari, tenor, and a trombone!

Deciding how you're going to write might bring you closer to deciding on instruments.

Now THAT is a straightforward method of thinking! Generally the stuff I've written thus far (for this arrangement) is exactly what you'd think - sometimes 2- or 3-octave'd unisons, sometimes open and sometimes close voicings. However, what I've experienced from trial-running my parts is that the only way a trombone will fit in my close voicings is if it's doubling the lead trumpet an octave down, or is written using perhaps a drop-2 voicing. To my ears, that has a bit less power and punch than what I want. Tenor has an easier time playing much higher than trombone can.

In any case, loks like I'm going to also have to start binging on funk a bit to get a feel for the different types of arranging the voices.
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Alto horn mpc on Alto tormbone? on: Apr 11, 2017, 07:58AM
Since David (OP) is a trombone player, I'm not sure why he is asking this question.  Does he have an alto horn player who wants to dabble in trombone?

Guess I'm more or less just curious. I don't own an alto, don't really plan to get one in the near-future (unless I'm just going for one of the cheaper models to dabble a bit), but it just struck me as odd that alto players don't look for any more of an *extreme* sound characteristic-difference between the alt and tenor, mostly owing to the mouthpiece choice. To my ears, alto trombone sounds a LOT more like a tenor trombone than, for example, an alto horn. But it seems like one would be looking for the opposite, going to a smaller horn in a higher pitch.

As far as the alto itself, Bruce - I was thinking about how it could sound in a funk line or something. Could be cool. Again, no plans to purchase one myself.
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