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1  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Full sound, whisper tones etc. on: Nov 13, 2017, 05:55PM
I think it sounds great when Wynton does it but in my mind it's not necessarily a sound I'm pursuing on trombone.. to each his own I suppose  :-P
2  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: What is tone? on: Nov 11, 2017, 06:43AM
FWIW, I've spent a good amount of timing using a spectral analysis app to see similar effects - how intentionally deadening the tone by choking it off or opening it up way too wide can affect which overtones are present and how strong they become. Definitely helped me understand a bit better what to aim for as far as tone because the overtones appeared must stronger-more solid when the tone was what I'd consider 'better'.

Fun stuff! I gotta try with a strobe tuner myself sometime.
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Jazz F attachenents trombone recommendations on: Nov 08, 2017, 04:21PM
Yamaha is reputed for consistency and quality control, so the lower-tiered ones should play just as fine.

I can attest to this personally... proud owner of 6 Yamaha horns and a Yam bass and all of them are fantastic  Good!
4  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Chair rentals near Syracuse, NY on: Nov 07, 2017, 07:36PM
I think you're expecting a bit much.

..........

Have everybody stand and use that money for a party afterwards...

 :D :D You're probably right, Doug...  :/
5  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Chair rentals near Syracuse, NY on: Nov 07, 2017, 03:23PM
I got lots of possibilities by Googling chair rentals Syracuse.

Looking esp for "music chairs". Not finding much more than "party chairs"
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Silver rimmed, gold cupped mouthpiece on: Nov 07, 2017, 12:06PM
A horn i will agree. We're talking about mouthpieces.

Oh yeah I'm not discounting mouthpieces by any stretch... just meant to tack on that ANY change that makes the player perceive that something has improved, even if it makes NO audible difference, can be good for the player in a myriad of ways.
7  Creation and Performance / Performance / Chair rentals near Syracuse, NY on: Nov 07, 2017, 09:19AM
Planning a Christmas Concert... Right now the only chairs we've got are our standard, GIANT bright-red ones like these:


You guys can probably tell - these things are nice for comfort-sitting, but awful for posture and efficient playing, take up FAR TOO MUCH space on stage, and don't look good for that matter).

Looking not only for places in the vicinity of Syracuse, NY - better yet if they deliver and pick up - but also what design of chair to be looking for too.
 Good!
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Silver rimmed, gold cupped mouthpiece on: Nov 07, 2017, 09:13AM
At the end of the day, the placebo effect is a non trivial influence too and so if one believes X about their piece and it makes them play better or enjoy music more as a result, then in my estimation the price was well worth it even though the reason had nothing to do with the actual change made.

Gotta agree here. I feel in my sound and confidence as a player that having switched out some parts on my horn to make a hybrid gold/silver-look has made me a better player. Not sure what others are hearing, but to me the sound and intonation are just improved, AND I've got boosted morale for playing trombone in general.

go figure
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Product Review - Hamilton KB7010 System X Stand on: Nov 06, 2017, 07:03PM
Nuts - was hoping this was a review of of of their in-bell stands. Eeek! cool revie
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Mute/techniques to sound like 'French' horn on: Nov 06, 2017, 09:04AM
Thanks for the replies!

I'm backing another F. horn and I want to create the "feeling" of two horns playing!

Really infomative ideas and stuff here though, I think I'll give some of this a shot.
@ Bruce appreciate the idea of NOT overthinking things like this.. but in this case I feel like if I CAN get closer to an authentic sound, then why not try? Just looking for ideas on how different players have achieved different sounds.
I won't, however, be playing in a cathedral or the like - it's in more of a banquet hall where we'll be mic'd, so it hopefully going to be mixed to match closer.

Anyway, we'll see how it goes  Good! Good!
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Idea for a Bass modification on: Nov 06, 2017, 05:28AM
Could work... the only ones I've ever tried got jammed multiple times... but it could work
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Mute/techniques to sound like 'French' horn on: Nov 05, 2017, 09:45AM
Gonna be covering some 'french' horn stuff in church orchestra... I want to get as close as possible to a reasonably horn-like sound...
Any mutes to invest in or techniques I can practice to make it sound a bit more authentic? (Hoping for fairly serious replies here :D )
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Conventions for pricing repairs? on: Nov 02, 2017, 08:45AM
Really its hard to say. Usually cosmetic stuff is pretty expensive because it is a lot of labor. You have to remove whatever residual lacquer may be around it and buff it smooth and then lacquer it. Its quite involved.  If your horn is unlacquered though, it won't be too expensive. You can even do it yourself. Just get a cloth and use some silvo on it.  If it was lacquered over though, that's when it can become expensive.

The slide is going to vary depending on what actually needs to be done and that depends on what is wrong with it on the inside. It could cost $50 if its just dirty or it could need to have all four tubes replaced, which could be a lot more.  Parts alone probably at least $200.

As far as the rim being flattened, it depends on how flat it is.  If you just want them to roll it, that isn't expensive. If you want it to look nice afterwards.... see point #1 about cosmetic stuff.

Water key will probably be free or next to free. Especially if you do all the other stuff.

The dents in the crooks are harder to fix.  It depends on how deep they are.  If its too dented, it might crack and then they'd have to also patch it.  If they're taking your slide apart, it may well be worth it sine they'll unsolder those two anyway... but each solder is $.  A new crook is fortunately not that expensive.  Actually... I think I may have a spare 354 tuning slide crook sitting around I could get to you for inexpensive... but I'd definitely hvae your tech check replacement cost vs. fixing cost because they may not be too far different depending on the extent of the damage.

In short, unfortunately no, there probably isn't a good way to estimate these with out seeing the horn.  However, I"d expect to pay at least $100 but not more than $800.  Just be clear about what you are wanting from it and what your budget is going in and you should be able to get a fairly accurate estimate.  And if cosmetics aren't important, maybe ca $500 on the high end.



Thanks for the super-informative reply, Matt!
I think knowing this, I'll skip on the cosmetic stuff as resale value isn't something I'm concerned with - more about getting a really good horn that plays well and looks nice on-stage (they're not professional horns, and I don't intend to sell them any time). Thankfully I've got other horns to use while these repairs are being made.  Good! Good! Good!
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Strange object came with new trombone... on: Nov 01, 2017, 06:12PM
Is this a new horn, or a "new" horn?

Who did you buy it from?

Breathing tool or cat toy perhaps.

Whoops, forgot to mention that. "New-to-me", as  I like to say. used 80's Yamaha. I'll add that to the OP
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Need a better compromise... (Read this Doug!) on: Nov 01, 2017, 04:32PM
Lots of... thoughts... here!!!  :/

still off topic. He just wanted Doug to suggest a magic mouthpiece.
Haha Harrison... obviously there's no magic bullet. Was hoping to get a collection of replies that may help me better choose from a pool of "tweeners". Didn't quite get that - but the off-topic discussion is welcome as far as I'm concerned  Good!


Man, I've seen some stoopid shiznit on this forum, but this thread just about takes the prize.

Yamaha 47 is probably closest to a Bach 6 3/4 size for general reference.  Doug's 99 size rim is close.  I also like the Marcinkiewicz 11 in this sort of size.  Different rim profile from the Yamaha but very comfortable, not too much bite.  The cup is pretty deep, but funnel-shaped, as compared with the Yamaha's fairly shallow bowl-chaped cup. Whether for this reason or some other, I find the Marc much more flexible, not only in terms of moving through the range, but also in terms of tone colouration (Andrew's comments notwithstanding).

Ben Griffin has written here about this piece, many moons ago - turns up in a search and well worth a read (as is pretty much everything else he's posted here).

Strange thing with that is that my 48 STILL feels WIDER somehow. It's hard to find chart with information about this stuff, and the fact that there really are no standards as to WHERE to measure the cup depth, rim width, and average rim bite from, it's hard to *really* even compare multiple peices with the same set on mnumbers stamped on them  :cry: Even different years from the same manufacturers!
16  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Picking out high notes out of thin air. on: Oct 31, 2017, 01:19PM
If you don't hear it first you have virtually no chance.  That's a necessary first step.

If you're a doubler playing on a less-than-familiar mouthpiece that's probably too small, that's one reason for overshooting.

Doug puts it best (at least for what my experience has been). By hearing exactly where the note is - this might require getting extremely comfortable with your music and horn, and later on it gets in your "inner ear" - your chops and air can be taught to automatically set up to hit that note on that partial.

The most awkward is setting up for the right note/partial but wrong position...  :/ :/
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Strange object came with new trombone... on: Oct 31, 2017, 01:01PM
My new (new-to-me/used) horn came last week, and to my surprise, inside the case was... a small "Woofle"/"wiffle"-ball tied to about a foot of string.

Any clue what this is? I can imagine that it can be used for a myriad of air-flow exercises - but that's all I could come up with.  Amazed






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18  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Tone and Practice Mutes on: Oct 31, 2017, 09:03AM
Downside of a practice mute... you don't hear your true tone so it's easy to be lazy on the "vowel" you form with your tongue and throat.

Other downside of course being (probably mentioned already) suffering/non-useful low range for most folks and intonation changes in some areas
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Need a better compromise... (Read this Doug!) on: Oct 30, 2017, 04:57PM
Thanks for the reply, Doug.
Messing around with a Yamaha 47... I'm digging it so far. The tone isn't anything to sneeze at, but it's a huge improvement over the 12C with minimal loss of high range, but the bonus of much better accuracy, nicer low range and far fewer cracked notes.

I'm gonna play this concert using this mouthpiece and see if it shows to be a keeper (it's proving its value thus far).
20  Creation and Performance / Music, Concerts and Recordings / Re: New Modern Rock-Pop Horn Band! on: Oct 30, 2017, 10:51AM
SWEET!!!!!

Awesome callback to my previous history as a punk rock fan... plus my newly cultivated love for blues/funk!! Really great stuff you guys got going here, I'll add the album to my wish list  Good! Good!
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