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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Tenor in Eb on: Today at 01:24 AM
Yeah, get the Thein .547 bore alto with a Bb attachment.  :D

You can get the same big bore alto with Bb attachment from Helmut Voigt
much cheaper but in the same quality as from Thein.
In my mind, you have to pay too much, only for the name "Thein"
And Helmut and his son Stefan build nearly every personal wishes

http://www.helmut-voigt.de/seite29.html

Sorry, this website does only exist in german language, i will try to translate

Bell
- hand hammered; Diameter. 190 mm
- Cut from a piece of sheet metal with continuous solder seam;
- with different rims available, for example: French rim (without wreath), Saxon rim (with nickel silver wreath), Selmer - rim
- available with trill or quart valve

Slide:
- conical slide
- hard chromed nickel silver inner slide
- Outer slide nickel silver, gold brass or brass

Models / Version

HV-A13       Alto trombone in Es; gold brass
HV A13B      Alto trombone in Eb / B with quart valve
HV A13B-C    Trombone in Eb / B - like HV-A13B, but with interchangeable valve section
HV-A13-eco   Alto trombone in Es; Brass with French rim


Options:

snake ornament
Long water key
Red brass version (old Central German alloy, also used by Kruspe, Schopper and Piering)
Romantic style with historical snake decoration
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: My new Helmut Voigt alto bell section on: Yesterday at 03:39 PM
A German bell with a very large bore slide? Doesn't it make it very flat in the upper partials?

Not to much, i have springs in the barrel of the handslide, so i can correct the 1th position.
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: My new Helmut Voigt alto bell section on: Yesterday at 03:31 PM
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Looks great. How is that bell brace working? Looks like it would be uncomfortable to hold being so tall? Would like to see a picture of how you hold with your left hand
In the year 1978 i had have a crash with a motorbike. Since this time i was paraplegic disabled. My arms and hands are not perfectly working, so i must hold the trombone laying off with the bell on my forearm.

https://i.imgur.com/IwrK6Gn.jpg
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / My new Helmut Voigt alto bell section on: Yesterday at 08:47 AM
This is my new alto bell section from Helmut Voigt.
A real big bell for an alto, diameter 7.5 Zoll, goldbrass. Together with the shortened
36 Bach handslide, it makes a dark and warm sound. Very well blending with the 36 and 42 Bach in my section. Of cause not an alto for players which prefer the "real alto sound". What ever this shall be. Perhabs it is a tenor in Eb. Evil


https://i.imgur.com/cINtyBm.jpg
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: How to make a horn front-heavy without adding weight to the slide? on: Feb 20, 2018, 12:33AM
a time ago, Amrein in germany makes a bell ring. But tha factory is close.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/brass-instruments/amrein-tone-enhancer-for-trombone
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Bigger sound on small bore trombone with modified euro shank on: Feb 15, 2018, 12:43AM
I have some mouthpieces with euro shank.
It's the shank size between small and large shank. The inner diameter on the end of the euro shank is nearly 1mm bigger, than a comparable standart small shank.
I modified one, so it fits a small shank receiver. Now, the wall of the mouthpiece shank was thinner. It makes a noticeable change on a small bore trombone. The sound was bigger and free blowing airstream.
Any impressions?
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: JP Rath 236 Alto Leadpipe on: Feb 13, 2018, 01:29PM
It most certainly will!Fits my Conn 52H leadpipe fine.  The receiver is a little weird. Thought about replacing it with a Shires cork barrel.  I think I have a spare one lying around anyway.  Would allow for large shank mouthpieces too... which would be totally bizarre but potentially really cool at the same time.

an alto with a large shank mouthpiece. That excites me. Is there a large shank leadpipe, which fit into
a 36 Bach slide?
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: JP Rath 236 Alto Leadpipe on: Feb 13, 2018, 10:25AM
i think the MV36 leadpipe will fit the Wessex alto, 0.525 bore on the leadpipe side
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: JP Rath 236 Alto Leadpipe on: Feb 13, 2018, 09:54AM
Which taper are you using ?

Its a Helmut Voigt big bore bell section with a modified 36 Bach slide.
i use a brassark MV36 copper leadpipe.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: adjustable balancer on: Feb 13, 2018, 09:44AM
What is a Riedl Hinge Box?

I googled and looked at the image but I don't see what it's for.  Is there a US equivalent? 

https://www.thomann.de/gb/riedl_scharnierkaestchen_18_mm.htm
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bach 39 alto on: Feb 13, 2018, 01:29AM
Amati in Kraslice makes a nice copy of the Bach alto.

http://www.amati.cz/en/brasswind-instruments/slide-trombones/item/239-asl-601
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: JP Rath 236 Alto Leadpipe on: Feb 13, 2018, 01:20AM
The brassark copper leadpipe is a great deal. I have one in my Helmut Voigt alto.
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bach 39 alto on: Feb 11, 2018, 02:23PM
In theory, if I shorten a 12 Bach handslide to an Eb slide, will it fit a 39 bell section?
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: JP Rath 236 Alto Leadpipe on: Feb 10, 2018, 02:17AM
talk with Noah from Brassark, i think he can help
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: adjustable balancer on: Feb 02, 2018, 11:47AM
the handling is great for alto playing in the outside slide position. Cause the alto with the shorter part over
the shoulter is not well balanced and a counterweight inside the tuningslide, as like the Conn 34H doesn,t work well.
No noticabe effect on the sound.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bach 8 mouthpiece questions on: Feb 02, 2018, 11:37AM
The 8 has a wider flatter rim than the 7 and 9. i am right?
But the throat size is the same.
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: adjustable balancer on: Jan 30, 2018, 03:15AM

Besides, I'd put it on the other leg of the crook in order to avoid additional torque of the bell to the left.


here the new version. And yes i am a lefty


https://i.imgur.com/CHjA4Qp.jpg
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / adjustable balancer on: Jan 26, 2018, 01:20PM
with the help of a Riedl Hinge Box, i made an adjustable balancer/counterweght.


https://i.imgur.com/J6CCHos.jpg
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: sackbut mouthpiece Romera Daniel Lassalle on: Jan 23, 2018, 12:29AM
I had to play alto on Schumann 3 with a modern orchestra last summer, on very short notice (played second for the rehearsal and dress rehearsal and got told about 18 hours before the concert that I was going to play alto instead...). Hadn't used my modern alto mouthpiece for over a year. Stuck in my classical alto mouthpiece with some floss around the shank, actually sounded better than I ever had with my modern mouthpiece! Clear, bright tone, had no problem playing the chorale really soft while still having colorful tone and having that Eb just float out. Was wonderful and eye opening!

that makes me courage Good!
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: sackbut mouthpiece Romera Daniel Lassalle on: Jan 22, 2018, 01:59PM
Back to my topic. I will buy one with a roundet rim and test it on my modern alto.
Perhabs the shallow cup gives a nice alto sound. :)
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