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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Congrats to Kanstul on: Yesterday at 12:14 PM
Sam, very good info, especially about the tactics info and the use of the "alternate" word. One of the problems as I see it is that the conventional note position stave doesn't help to fully understand the relationship of one note to another. A grid system is far more intuitive and could still be used alongside the conventional stave chart.

One of the benefits that I've got from this study is being able to play more melodic solo's in the lower register, by relearning intervals, arpís, scales and pentatonics etc past the bell. Having a grid chart laminated, helped me to find  phrases and mark them up with a crayon when ideas strike away from the horn. Itís been about 10 years for me, and is a continuous job to stay on top of it, but makes for a very interesting practice routine, with seemingly endless things to practice, especially when incorporating lip flexibilities.
 
I have managed to get some value from the 7th position notes, usually during the last note in a phrase, i.e. the "bop" in be-bop.. The tone isnít great there, but as a passing note it works. I wonder if bore size has any bearing as well.

I've put the grid .pdf up on here a few times, not sure if there have been many takers.
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Congrats to Kanstul on: Yesterday at 04:07 AM

I like the heavier Greenhoe TIS slides because of their weightier sound, and I am not in the least bothered by their "inertia." It's all in the timing. It's like tuba playing. It simply takes a little longer to get the thing in the right place.


I totally agree with this point. The "weightier" sound IMO, comes from stopping vibration being lost down the slide and also in some cases the bell, and even the m/p. And learning to get the best out of a heavier slide is linked to being economical with slide shifts, so what's not to like?
3  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Advice on Hitting High Notes? on: Mar 27, 2017, 09:01AM
I'm not sure what you mean here.  Are you glissing from 6 to 1?

Not glissing, but playing as normal flexibilities, i.e. quarter notes right through to triplets, and be sure to adjust for tuning.
4  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Advice on Hitting High Notes? on: Mar 27, 2017, 03:51AM

 That's why true "high range" mouthpieces often have a larger throat. This not only helps keep the high register from going flat, but also lets you use more air.


Which m/ps are these specifically? And "true"?
5  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Advice on Hitting High Notes? on: Mar 27, 2017, 01:34AM
I do that as lip flexibilities, using pos 6-1, the first notes being A to C, C to Eb, Eb to F, F to G. It has more useful musical value as well IMO. Stop short of the Ab in 1st pos.
6  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Advice on Hitting High Notes? on: Mar 25, 2017, 04:42PM
It's times like this that I'm glad that I have more high notes than I know what to do with..  :)
7  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Advice on Hitting High Notes? on: Mar 24, 2017, 01:45PM
When playing high-range stuff, there are trombone-unfriendly keys? Is this a new concept?  :D

...Geezer

I forgot to include playing in the lower range, where fretting and economical slide positions come into their own. "Tenderly" in Eb being a good example, unless you want to play it in the higher octave, hitting those High Notes.
8  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Advice on Hitting High Notes? on: Mar 24, 2017, 08:21AM
Playing across the grain is bread and butter in my reality, (?) especially when combined with long shifts, it makes playing melodies in Tbn unfriendly keys more doable and musical.

Just sharing that, not needing any validation..  :)
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: SOM Rapid Comfort End of Bottle. on: Mar 24, 2017, 05:15AM
In the UK I'm not in a particularly hot climate, but the liquid is definitely thinner towards the end of the bottle. I started adding it to Trombotine which works well. The slide on my K+H although having no faults that I can see, is of a closer tolerance than my older horns.
I play in restaurants and around catering often 2+ hour sets, and I usually have to reapply SOM partway though a gig. (3hours on the face straight though this Sunday.)
Trombontine with a drop of silicone may be a better option.

Have just found an older bottle with 10 grams more in it, and it goes on the slide thicker. Maybe the product just needs a lot more shaking before use.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: SOM Rapid Comfort End of Bottle. on: Mar 24, 2017, 04:49AM
In the UK I'm not in a particularly hot climate, but the liquid is definitely thinner towards the end of the bottle. I started adding it to Trombotine which works well. The slide on my K+H although having no faults that I can see, is of a closer tolerance than my older horns.
I play in restaurants and around catering often 2+ hour sets, and I usually have to reapply SOM partway though a gig. (3hours on the lips straight though this Sunday.)
Trombontine with a drop of silicone may be a better option.
11  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Advice on Hitting High Notes? on: Mar 24, 2017, 04:36AM
If you can take the time to sift through these video's, there's some good slowed down shots of high and low note playing.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wilktone+embouchure
12  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Helping vs Self Validation? on: Mar 24, 2017, 04:18AM
Whoa! Hold your horses. You have an opinion. It's worth a discussion. I didn't have a clue what your opinion was and asked for a clarification. I think I get it now. I think others do as well.

Let it run and pop in to comment.

...Geezer

The positive outcome may be that I/we check our motives on some of the more contentious topics. I admit to having an axe to grind sometimes, along the lines of "I can see this, why can't you?".
13  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Helping vs Self Validation? on: Mar 23, 2017, 04:50PM
You might be over thinking this.

Re-reading this topic from the top, I can see that I'm well out of step, (apart from one PM in support ) but some good may come of it.

I'll get my coat..
14  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Helping vs Self Validation? on: Mar 23, 2017, 01:32PM
OK Pre59, is saying what worked for you to solve a problem self-validation?  Or is it simply suggesting an approach that my (or may not) work for someone else?  After all, if it worked for me, maybe it will work for you.

It's to do with the manner in which the post is offered. An answer along the lines of "try this, it's worked for me" is different from suggesting that "mine" is the only way, it stifles debate and possibly puts off potential new posts.

Also, If a tbn player has a good brass players face and teeth, has a reasonable ear, can keep time, had decent music lessons, and made the grade to his chosen level, he's far less likely to understand the trials of someone who had to overcome major difficulties. So saying "practice more" isn't helpful if the OP has hit a wall and needs to find a way around it.


15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: SOM Rapid Comfort End of Bottle. on: Mar 23, 2017, 12:44PM
It does.

Me too, I may try the SOM separate components next.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / SOM Rapid Comfort End of Bottle. on: Mar 23, 2017, 08:04AM
Has anybody found that even after shaking the bottle before each application, towards the end of the bottle the product seems not to work so well, and it dries quicker on the slide?
17  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Helping vs Self Validation? on: Mar 23, 2017, 07:58AM
Dr. Phil

...Geezer

Oh, and so..
18  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Helping vs Self Validation? on: Mar 23, 2017, 07:00AM
Dr. Phil?
19  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Helping vs Self Validation? on: Mar 23, 2017, 06:43AM

Comments are ALWAYS about self-validation, aren't they? Even if I'm "just trying to help"... why would I want to help, if not to make myself feel better?  Don't know


It's possible to help someone in an "empty" way, just because you can, and happen to be in the right space at the time. That's different from arguing about or trying to find a universal truth about a topic where there many differing opinions are held, to the exclusion of all others. Sometimes here's a line that gets crossed when a poster disregards other peoples lived reality, and I think that this is to the detriment of us all, hence my line "There Can Be Only One". 
20  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Helping vs Self Validation? on: Mar 23, 2017, 02:17AM
At what point does posting a comment to help a member become more about self validation? Topics concerning range seem to particularly fall victim to this, and often the OP disappears off the radar leaving a trail of fractious comments.
It's difficult not to get involved when it's a topic that may have a lot of resonance due to one's own past difficulties. I try and post based on my experiences, which may be very different from others on this forum, but I'm often left with the feeling that there's a desire for a convergence, to only have one possible solution to an issue. "There Can Be Only One".
This has a chilling effect, and creates an intolerance to newer ideas. Your thoughts please.
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