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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: .525 slide on Bach 42T? on: Yesterday at 05:13 PM
While Iím certainly open to picking up a 36 variant at some point, the bell on my 42 plays like a dream and Iíd like to try to work with that.  At the very least, experiment with the smaller slide to see how it all works together.
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: .525 slide on Bach 42T? on: Yesterday at 10:03 AM
...This is actually how Edwards, Shires, and Rath treat their medium bores.  They have the same bell section as large bores, but put a medium bore slide on it. (Rath does have an alternative Hagmann I believe, but that might make the issue more convoluted than it needs be)...

In short, it could be a really good playing combination that gives you another option for timbres. Is there a particular application you are thinking about using the setup for? 

Thatís exactly the kind of information I was looking for, regarding a medium slide on large bell.  Simply, how well does it work, or are there expected intonation or response issues, etc...  Knowing thatís how some of the big name makers are doing it makes me think there shouldnít be huge, squirrelly issues to overcome. 

Iím presently playing a Bach LT42TG50LW, ďJay FriedmanĒ model, and while it has a huge, gorgeous sound with incredible response, I dont always find it appropriate for everything, so Iíve been thinking about looking for a smaller slide to put on it.  Specifically in smaller ensembles, like brass quintet, where Iím not trying to support a sound over a 120 piece ensemble or something similar.  Iíve got a couple of standard Bach 42 slides Iíve used with it on and off, but have been curious about the .525 and how it may respond with that bell setup (Thayer valve on thin/lightweight gold brass 8.5Ē bell).
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / .525 slide on Bach 42T? on: Yesterday at 08:33 AM
Has anyone out there had experience with a .525 slide on a Bach 42T?  As I understand, the 42B bell uses the valve and neckpipe from the 36B, but with a 1/2Ē larger bell and larger slide receiver, so adapting a 36B slide for one works quite well.  I assume the bore past and through the Thayer valve on a 42T is properly large, but I cannot find information regarding neckpipe bore on a 42T through normal search means. 

How might a 42T react with a .525 slide, or even a dual bore .525/.547?
4  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Learning jazz independently... on: Feb 23, 2018, 05:25AM
There are some really great suggestions here, thank you, guys!  Between all of the music and practice and listening suggestions, I have enough to keep him busy for a long time.  Hopefully, this passion will turn into a lifelong pursuit, and we'll all benefit from having another competent trombone player out there.  Thank you, all.

Grah, I am indebted to you for your comprehensive post.  It's important to know the roots, and you've laid it all out.  Thank you!
5  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: Learning jazz independently... on: Feb 21, 2018, 04:23PM
Thanks, for the links, guys.  Thatís a great starting point for him.  Heís pretty motivated, and is a great kid.
6  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / FS/WTT: Bach 42 straight horn on: Feb 21, 2018, 12:29PM
Gauging interest in a surplus Bach 42 trombone a student of mine is trying to pass along.  It hasn't been played in a while, as it was replaced by a large bore thayer horn.  Open to offers, or trade for variants of Bach 12 or 16 or King 3B.  Give me a shout, if you're interested, as it doesn't hurt to ask questions or pitch an offer.

Bach Stradivarius 42 trombone in silver plate

Trombone has recently been looked over by my tech, who removed several dings from the bell and slide bow, and gave it a chemical flush.  The plating on the bell shines well, making it difficult to get pictures of its condition.  There is a ding on the tuning slide, but the remainder of the bell appears to be straight and dent free after recent service.  The plating shows scratches and scuffs throughout that I tried to get a picture to show. 

The slide moves freely, and is probably a modest 6/10.  My tech noted the slide will need to be rebuilt the next time it goes in for service, as inners and outers have had several dent repairs and alignments over the past 30 years, but it is easily playable right now as is.  There is a stripe of tarnish across the serial number on the handslide receiver that looks like damage in the picture, but is a spot of black tarnish. 

Serial number of 72XXX dates it to 1987-ish. 

The trombone comes in an older ProTec countoured straight trombone case.  The case is in fair condition, with some scuffs at the corners and zipper pull tabs that have broken and been replaced. 

I've tried to get pictures of all areas of the horn, and they do a decent job of showing the condition.  Please, ask any questions and I'll do my best to answer them or get a better picture.

Pictures can be viewed at the following link:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6vsj5ns9d3pqxp2/AABIU917wXmkg4kwSAzt2Gq7a?dl=0
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: How Do I quiet my Bach on: Feb 21, 2018, 09:01AM
As others have mentioned, it's all about keeping the linkages and valves lubricated and properly adjusted.  Techs in my area are happy to do the adjustment for free and teach me how to do it.  It shouldn't cost anything more than your time and lubricant of choice.
8  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Learning jazz independently... on: Feb 20, 2018, 09:27PM
Iíve got a student from a rural area and no access to a jazz ensemble, who has fallen in love with the genre after watching the following video:  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1azJWrtuxQ

Heís excited by the exhuberance of the style, and is craving more.  I have a couple of questions.  What other artists can I point him at to listen to more examples, and maybe some trombone-centric examples, of this specific type of ďNew OrleansĒ style?  Iíve already talked about some of the greats like JJ, Teagarden, and Dorsey, but am looking for something a bit more on the nose with his example.  With the barrier of not having an ensemble to play and learn jazz in, how effective can some of the recorded examples, such as Aebersold or Music Minus One, be for someone in that situation?

As a kid, I listened to and emulated everything I could wrap my ears around, but I also had access to a great diversity of ensembles to perform with as well as listen to live.  Iíve always been a firm believer in listening as a stylistic learning tool, but youíve got to apply it, too.  If this subforum isnít the correct place for this kind of question, will a mod move the topic, please?  Thanks.
9  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: WTB: Urbie Greenís One Hour a Day book on: Feb 19, 2018, 03:24PM
Thanks, Andy.  I was under the impression that it was out of print.  John Mason referred me to the same retailer.  Iíve got an order in with them now, and hopefully that means Urbie may get some kind of royalty from it.  Iím hoping that doesnít turn out to just be wishful thinking.
10  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: MP on: Feb 19, 2018, 03:33AM
Those PBone mouthpieces are notoriously horrible.  Other brands of plastic, such as Kelly, are a bit better, but Iíve always found plastic mouthpieces to lack the presence of a traditional plated brass mouthpiece.  I donít think their mass letís them resonate in the same way.  Alternatively, a brass mouthpiece with a plastic rim gives you the benefits of both worlds, and is loads better than any PBone mouthpiece Iíve tried.
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Mouthpiece suggestions? on: Feb 18, 2018, 04:07PM
If you want to experiment for yourself, you might consider a Faxx 4G, as itís relatively inexpensive and the Faxx mouthpieces are supposed to be good copies of vintage Bach Mt Vernon mouthpieces.  Another option might be to see what you can find used through the classified section here on the forum.  Going that route, however, has a tendency to get expensive and be a never-ending process, so the best advice really is to consult with a good teacher.


"embiggened" ... there's a first time for everything I guess!

Ďtis what she proclaimed!
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Mouthpiece suggestions? on: Feb 18, 2018, 03:09PM
Iíll offer a third recommendation for contacting Doug.  Even if you only do a consultation in lieu of a full blown lesson, youíll benefit from his insight and expertise.  Iíd been playing  a 5G-sized mouthpiece for years, and he was able to make a recommendation that has really opened up and embiggened my sound more than Iíd have expected from such a small change.

More info could be handy as well.  In what way is your current mouthpiece failing you?  What are you hoping to change or to gain from switching?  What types of playing are you doing?
13  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: WTB: Urbie Greenís One Hour a Day book on: Feb 18, 2018, 12:43PM
Thanks, for the link, vegasbound.  Ive sent him an email in the hopes heís got a physical copy to sell.  Thanks, also, to those among the community whoíve shared copies of the pdf.
14  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: WTT: King 2B for a large bore straight horn on: Feb 18, 2018, 11:45AM
PM sent
15  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / WTB: Urbie Greenís One Hour a Day book on: Feb 18, 2018, 08:22AM
Anyone have an extra copy of Urbie Greenís One Hour a Day book theyíd like to sell?
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: New Bass Trombone for student? on: Feb 17, 2018, 08:28PM
Matt Kís suggestion of Wessex is a great one.  Forum member Blast helped develop a new bass (model PBF565) with Wessex that should be a very nice horn in the lower price range for a double valve instrument.  Yamaha is typically a safe bet, and a used 600-series bass shouldnít be too bad on price, if he shops around, or the 400-series as Matt also mentioned.  Alternatively, a Benge 290 is an underrated horn that can also be found under the price of a brand new contemporary big-name bass trombone.  There are too many great old basses to start listing every one, but Iíd also throw Holton and Conn in the ring, as well as others, if looking to go used.

I tend to agree with the sentiment although there are some cool things you can do with the Gb valve if it's independent.  I'd probably go with Wessex (although they're currently sold out) because of the price point. There is someone selling a YBL432 (I think... it's a single rotor yamaha) on the facebook group of this page that would also probably be fine.  What's their budget?
17  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Shipping on: Jan 26, 2018, 11:10AM
Price-wise, I've had the best luck with USPS.  FedEx and UPS were both MUCH more expensive.
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Trombone step/up on: Jan 24, 2018, 03:39PM
The 88H is generally considered one of the old ďstandardĒ choices.  There may be more modern selections, but youíd spend far less replating the rotor or fixing the trigger issue youíve got going on.  If the bell plays well you could always consider changing the valve out for something else, like an axial or Olsen or CR or any of a number of choices.  For under $2000, however, you can easily find a good pre-owned Bach 42-variant, or Yamaha Xeno, or Getzen Custom, etc...  There are a bunch of ďproĒ level horns to be found in that price range.

The suggestion has been made to wait until you can consult with the teacher youíll be studying with in college, and that is probably the best course of action, imho.  In any case, best of luck in your search!
19  Teaching & Learning / Schools, Colleges and Conservatories / Re: How can I build a band culture in a non-band country? on: Jan 20, 2018, 10:01AM
When I was younger and looking for additional playing opportunities, the local Salvation Army brass band was an option that presented itself and proved to be a way to enter the world of brass band playing.  It was an option in my area, that may or may not be available to you, but I mention it specifically to say all of the instruments were Yamaha.  I think they may have worked with Yamaha in those days on some kind of deal, or there may be an educational deal from Yamaha.  It might be worth your time to check with a dealer like Wessex, or even Yamaha or any other, to see if they may be interested in some type of sponsored ensemble where they provide instruments or a discount for the publicity.

There have been some great suggestions, but as noted, there is a cultural issue underlying the endeavor that bears further investigation to overcome.  You may consider putting ads out locally looking for musicians or gauging interest, and build from there.  In any circumstance, best of luck!
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Can you help to find THE practice mute ? on: Jan 12, 2018, 10:32PM
Iíll add a second vote for the Dillon practice mute (copy of the Best Brass).  For the money itís a good option, and is compact enough to store inside the bell with the horn in its case.
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