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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Two New Wessex design Trombones on: Nov 21, 2017, 12:05PM
Does the contra (or any contra) come with a gym membership?
Or maybe a chiropractor?
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: 1920 Conn 2H! on: Nov 21, 2017, 09:12AM
Maybe for trad jazz, but that's a longshot.

I just bought a 1920 2H. (cheap)
There's a reason 2H's can be had cheap...
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: bach 36 conversion to shires leadpipes on: Nov 20, 2017, 04:17PM
The ID of a standard large receiver is nominally .547" at the opening. Figure at least .005" wall, you're up to .557" OD. You have to expand a .547" tube a little to take it.

On a removable pipe .525", the inner slide doesn't extend all the way to the receiver. Morse taper is nominally  .052"/inch, so if the outside taper of the pipe mirrors the inside taper, you'd have an OD of .525" at just under 5/8" down from the receiver opening.
4  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Military/NATO Alphabet on: Nov 17, 2017, 12:16PM
Sounds like operator headspace, or what sparkies would call a short between the earphones.
Chair-to-keyboard interface error or a wetware malfunction.
5  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Trombone Ensemble rep for High School on: Nov 16, 2017, 10:59AM
I don't have any recommendations for a competition piece, but for anyone trying to start a trombone ensemble, I would suggest Benjamin Coy's Trombonist's Hymnal. 384 Bach chorales arranged for trombone quartet which Mr. Coy generously offers as a free download.
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Something's buzzing, and it's not me on: Nov 13, 2017, 03:38PM
Isolating vibration while player the horn can be a tricky thing. I've got one TIS horn that, when one of the nuts is loose in the TIS mechanism, it sounds to me like a vibration in the f-attachment area. The vibration travels through the horn.

It's entirely possible that there's just the right amount of clearance between the leadpipes and the inner that you're getting some buzz. Given Yamaha's reputation for consistency, it's not beyond the pale that the two pipes are so close dimensionally that both are subject to the same phenomenon. Wrap the mouthpiece shank with some tape and try playing without a leadpipe.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Bach Strad silver tube material? on: Nov 12, 2017, 09:59PM
I have a Reynolds Argenta that I believe is all nickel-silver. 
Argentas were solid nickel silver, as were Olds O-15 Operas. O-23 Operas have some yellow brass in the valve assembly but are otherwise all nickel silver.

Most post-WWII Olds pro horns had at least some major component (in addition to their inner slide tubes) made of nickel silver, and several models are all nickel silver except the bell.
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Bach Strad silver tube material? on: Nov 12, 2017, 03:09PM
I have a late model Olds Special that is all nickel, no brass anywhere.
NL-15 Specials are nickel plated.
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Jazz F attachenents trombone recommendations on: Nov 08, 2017, 07:40AM
A King 3B-F would be the default choice.

You'll occasionally find Selmer Paris smallbores with f-attachments; never played one, but they're supposed to be pretty nice.

Olds R-20 Recording.

10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Mute/techniques to sound like 'French' horn on: Nov 06, 2017, 12:23PM
If you are backing a horn then this becomes easier. Make sure you are always supporting the horn and never over powering it and the horn timbre will be what people hear. Blend, blend, blend, and let them lead the articulation.
This is a phrase that's dangerously close to one that really gives me heartburn, but I think it might actually be applicable here...

Try to put your sound inside the sound of the horn player.

As long as the lower parts don't overwhelm the top, the timbre of the instrument on the top part will predominate. "Little big band" arrangements do that all the time, with a trombone filling in on what would normally be an inner sax part, or a alto sax filling in on a lower trumpet part.
11  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Gotta love challenging jumps!! on: Nov 06, 2017, 08:44AM
There's a breath in between. So it's not a jump. Two separate notes.
It's not just two separate notes, it's jump between two different musical lines. The third trombone is with the upper and middle voices in bars 5-10, then suddenly jumps down to play with the basses when they enter at bar 11. Same thing at bar 20 - but not at bar 37.

The staccato marks and breath marks aren't original to the part; they were penciled in. I'd like to know if the rest of the ensemble is playing it that way.

I'd also be curious as to what the original orchestral third trombone part looks like.
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Technology / Re: Cloning a whole hard drive? on: Oct 24, 2017, 07:37AM
I do a lot of imaging and cloning, though not for backup purposes. Clonezilla is my tool of choice.
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Olds Recording R20 from "Los Angeles" era? on: Oct 23, 2017, 09:37AM
What are the specs of those early rare F-attachment tenors?
A lot of the model descriptions in  pre-WWII Olds catalogs include phrases like:
Quote from: Olds Catalog
Other sizes from 6" solo bells to bass trombones with F valve, made to special order.
I have a few of those "special order" horns in my collection; these two are the closest to the Recording:
Notice the location of the valve and the attachment tubing; it's much farther back on the horn than on the R-20/A-20/V-20 family. No room for a tuning slide on the outer loop, so you cannot pull to E.

Olds listed a "Tenor Model" bass trombone in at least one late 1930's catalog:
Quote from: Olds Catalog
Bb model with rotary change to F, 8½" bell. A large medium instrument suitable for regular trombone passages extending up into the high register, but with pedal tones of good intonation and volume.
I've never seen one of those.

I have also wondered what the differences are between the A-20 and the R-20?
The A-20 is basically an R-20 in yellow brass (probably a little thicker metal) with simpler braces and without the duo-octagonal inner slide tubes.
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Olds Recording R20 from "Los Angeles" era? on: Oct 22, 2017, 10:19AM
Are the Los Angeles ones really that rare, or? I suppose the late 50's ones would be similar enough, but I get a nervous about purchasing an Olds from 1960 forward and listings that say "Fullerton" aren't always clear about the decade.
LA-era R-20's are pretty rare. At that time, there wasn't such a great demand for f-attachment tenors. Don't discount the Fullerton-era R-20's; I played one as my main small tenor for several years.

For that matter, was there any 50's or earlier model that would compare to a standard 7.5" Recording (or is it 8"?) with a trigger? Because I think that would be my ideal horn for one thing I'm doing and maybe it exists under a different name.
If you want something like that, you'll likely have to get someone to put it together for you. You could have someone graft an 8" R-15 bell onto an R-20 body. It wouldn't be that hard to graft 7.5" Super or Studio bell onto an R-20, but I wouldn't want to speculate on the quality of the results.

Olds did make some small F-attachment tenors before the R-20, but they are quite rare.

As for the SuperStar? That's a '70's thing - more Ambassador than Recording.

You know, I think you'll find that f-attachment tenors weren't all that common in the days before Remington and the 88H. That might be a good subject for a new thread.
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Bach Strad silver tube material? on: Oct 19, 2017, 08:31AM
If you put nickel silver and actual silver side-by-side, it's not quite the same color...

Nickel silver alloys are around 60% copper, 20% nickel, and 20% zinc.

It's pretty much the standard material for inner slide tubes, and you'll run into quite a few trombones with nickel silver outers, too. A lot of the more expensive trombones tend to have nickel silver parts at the grip points, both for looks and because it is more resistant to wear and corrosion.

Any part (or in some cases, all of the parts) can be made of nickel silver. In addition to what I've mentioned above, leadpipes and handslide crooks seem to be the most common. I know of no one currently making a trombone entirely out of nickel silver, but nickel silver French horns are still pretty common.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Benge 290 on: Oct 18, 2017, 09:11AM
I played on a Benge for several years. Good, versatile horn - but if you're got that DG sizzle in your head, you're gonna have to work hard to get anything like it from a Benge.
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Ball and socket from string on: Oct 16, 2017, 02:12PM
If the string breaks, be sure to check the edges of the string holes before you re-string.  They are supposed to be chamfered.  The screws that clamp them are supposed to have the edges eased also.  When both of those are done, the strings go years and years before failing.
I bought my Benge 290 new from a local store years ago. I pretty much had to restring the stupid thing every time I played it; there was a burr in one of the holes. Tried to get the store to fix it, but finally gave up and had a ball-and-socket conversion done.
18  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Another Wagner conundrum. on: Oct 13, 2017, 05:59PM
As I understand it, there are portions of Die Walküre where the fourth trombone part is more of a contra part. Never played the whole thing, myself. I have played "Ride" (the prelude to Act III) from the opera parts (Kalmus edition off of IMSLP); it has four parts and works well with a bass trombone on fourth.

It's somewhat dependent on how much of it you're going to play. If you go all the way to the end of Scene I, you get some low B's on the fourth part and a low D on the third - but most orchestras don't do the whole thing. If memory serves, we stopped somewhere around rehearsal number 18.

Die Walküre also has eight(!) horn parts. There are parts of the opera where four of the horns double on Wagner tuben, but one Ride they're all on horn. We only had four horns, so they ended up creating composite parts so that most of the lines were covered.
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Minimal bracing & structural integrity? on: Oct 13, 2017, 08:38AM
I suppose this is kinda obvious, but...

The less bracing you have, the more important it is to keep your tuning slides properly maintained so you don't have to apply any more force than is necessary to make adjustments.
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: What type of valve is this? on: Oct 11, 2017, 03:05PM
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