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1  Creation and Performance / Trombonists / Re: Bill Watrous, Dick Nash, Bob McChesney, Scott Whitfield, ... - "Late Night Jazz" on: Sep 19, 2017, 11:24PM
I gather it was pretty much the same scene all four evenings for the "late night jazz" performance. I stopped by Thursday after the evening concert and turned around at the door. Too many people in too small a space. It did seem pretty loud (both the sound system and the audience) from the door, but it's not like I was there for very long.
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: BTS bequest on: Sep 19, 2017, 07:49AM
The Olds with the bear counterweight is a Radio City. One of the rarer models. Can't really judge condition based on the pics provided. They pretty rare; I've only seen a couple sold, and they went in the $500-$700 range. Local valuation in the UK might be a bit higher.

The other is a Fullerton-era Special. Nothing exceptional there. Once again, not enough in the pics to judge condition. A really nice one might get $300 on US eBay. Once again, UK valuation might be a bit higher.
3  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: Classical pieces - without a tuba? on: Sep 18, 2017, 04:31PM
A lot of the standard orchestral rep doesn't have tuba parts. Don't worry about it.
4  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: You will cry for Cassini on: Sep 14, 2017, 12:01PM
If Cassini were a person, it would be looking back on a long, purposeful life, hopefully with a great sense of pride and accomplishment. More bittersweet than simply sad.

Maybe someone should write an opera - though I think the Mars rovers might make a better story.

The Mars Pathfinder mission would be the prologue, ending with the Sojourner rover still "alive" but cut after after its base unit died. After that, it would follow the twins Spirit and Opportunity. Spirit's story would end with the rover stuck in soft soil as its battery fades away, with the finale of the work being Opportunity driving off into the Martian sunset.
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: What case should I get? on: Sep 13, 2017, 04:49PM
The small bore horn, right? Personally, I like the SKB 360 a lot. Tiny, protective, light, unassuming.
You forgot inexpensive.
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Olds A-20 Ambassador F-Attachment Trombone on: Sep 10, 2017, 08:47AM
The A-20 is pretty much an R-20 Recording made out of yellow brass and without the bells and whistles (fluted tubes, fancy braces). Built by the same people to the same tolerances and mostly on the same tooling.

It's interesting that most people are surprised at the quality of older student instruments from the major manufacturers. A lot of them were really "plain Jane" versions of the pro horns, usually with a little thicker metal to stand up better to careless little hands.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: No antique value on: Sep 10, 2017, 07:39AM
Consider the possible demand. With few exceptions, no one is going to buy any trombone who is not a trombone player. Small population already. Now whittle that already small population down because most trombone players lack either the resources or the desire to acquire an instrument that they can't play regularly.

When I was actively building my Olds collection, there were usually no more than one or two other "serious" bidders", and some of them weren't interested in building a collection - they were looking to resell the instrument at a profit later on.

Vintage instruments that are still playable in modern settings (e.g., Cleveland 2B's, Elkie 88H's and 6H's, Williams 6's) do command a premium (though usually still less than their original selling price adjusted for inflation).
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: "New" Olds bass trombone? on: Sep 07, 2017, 08:15AM
Does anyone know for certain who makes the NS22D?
I expect it was made by Weril, just not to the exact same specs as what Weril was selling under their own name (kinda like the whole Whirlpool vs. Kenmore thing). That's just a guess, though.
9  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Harry James' really BIG book... on: Sep 07, 2017, 07:56AM
Even "young" books have stories to tell. The 2nd alto dance book for my college jazz/dance band was singed around the edges because the 2nd alto's car (one of the notorious GM "X-platform" cars) went up in flames. There's a tune in library with a "splat" at the top and a notation as to when and where the bird poop was deposited.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: "New" Olds bass trombone? on: Sep 06, 2017, 11:48AM
Here's an old thread...


A pic of a Weril GG292L bass trombone:

and a pic of a Blessing B98:
11  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: WTB Olds Mouthpiece on: Aug 31, 2017, 09:31AM
My experience with large shank Olds has been that shank size isn't too far off a standard large shank. I've never had any problem using a non-Olds mouthpiece in any large-shank Olds horn.
There are two different versions of the Olds large shank. The larger, later one is close enough to the standard that you can usually get away with it. The earlier, smaller one, not so much. Operas come in both flavors, depending on the vintage (as do S-20's and S-23's).

I loaned a 20 and a 21 to a manufacturer's rep at ITF so they could get some dimensions, but I have not heard anything.

12  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: WTB Olds Mouthpiece on: Aug 30, 2017, 10:44PM
Doug Elliott might be the best option. The modular system gives you the most flexibility.
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: P24g valve on: Aug 28, 2017, 09:15AM
I've got two distinct noises. One in the first valve where I'm pretty sure it's the stop, as it only happens when I free-release the lever. The second noise is in the second valve where the linkage actually hits the plate at some angles of pushing lever. So for the second valve, I may have to bend the linkage a little.
Be careful bending the linkage. If you go too far, it will bind. See if you can tighten the spindle screw a bit; that will pull the stop plate down away from the linkage screw. BE GENTLE. That's a big head on a small screw, so it's easy to damage it. You might want to disassemble the valve and make sure the mating surfaces between the spindle and stop plate are clean and burr-free before trying tighten it up.

The valve itself appears to work well, but are there any commonly used lever/linkage alternatives out there?
I've seen a couple where someone redid the linkage, but the Olds design isn't like what's being used today, so the common solutions won't work without modification.
14  Creation and Performance / Music, Concerts and Recordings / Re: Recommendations for community band. on: Aug 28, 2017, 08:14AM
Themes Like Old Times.  There are several versions, medleys of old TV theme songs.  The kids won't recognize any but old timers might.
Those tunes are older than television; more like late 19th and early 20th century.

The first three were arranged by Warren Barker; the fourth by John Edmondson.

Are you looking for pops material or "serious" band literature?
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: P24g valve on: Aug 28, 2017, 08:05AM
What you're hearing may be looseness in the linkage. I'd suggest disconnecting the linkage lever from the stop plate and seeing if the valve is still noisy. A couple drops of bearing and linkage oil should do the job if it's the linkage.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: P24g valve on: Aug 27, 2017, 10:37PM
I prefer to disassemble the valve to get to the bumper. Since the bumper usually lasts a year or more, it's a good time to wipe the gunk off of the rotor and out of the casing. If you've never disassembled a rotor valve, get someone who knows what they're doing to show you how. Before you disassemble the valve, take a look at the bearing cap and note which of the three holes the spring end is in. Choosing a different hole will change the preload on the spring.

The bumper is a single O-ring (size 2-005) on a post that's mounted to the back side of the casing. There's a matching slot cut in the underside of the stop plate. I've tried a few different materials over the years; the latest batch I purchased is made of Viton. If you run into trouble finding that size, PM me with your address and I'll mail a couple to you.

I carry tools, spare O-rings and a spare springs in the case of my primary horn. I can change out the bumper in just a couple minutes.
17  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS Raffling Trombones on: Aug 25, 2017, 01:46PM
There's a raffle ad on AM radio around here for a million dollar home in Silicon Valley, with other prizes too.
Is it this one?
Looks like a non-profit.

SoCal Special Olympics does a "Dream House" raffle every year.
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Raffling Trombones on: Aug 24, 2017, 02:27PM
Mods, shouldn't this be in CLASSIFIEDS.
Either that or announcements...
19  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Certain brands/model horns difficult to play on? on: Aug 24, 2017, 01:54PM
Some horns aren't a good match for some people. The sound the instrument wants to make just isn't the sound in your head, so it becomes a battle of wills between you and a hunk of metal (hint: the hunk of metal never gets tired and has no interest in meeting you halfway). If you're in a situation like that, playing becomes hard work.
20  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: French Horn Board? on: Aug 23, 2017, 07:38AM
There are a couple of mailing lists, but they've been largely abandoned for Facebook.
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