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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Yamaha 'snot' shortage in the UK!!! on: Yesterday at 11:29 PM
Marmite. Not everyone likes it, but the ones that do would be devastated.
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Sauhegan Trombone? on: Yesterday at 04:05 PM
That looks like a modern horn of Chinese origin...
3  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Why is tenor clef used for trombone work? Composer preference? on: Feb 19, 2018, 11:50AM
But I never seen it in jazz or big bands. Always bass clef.
I've seen jazz/big band parts that use treble clef (concert pitch) and some in "8va" bass clef, but I don't remember ever seeing any tenor or alto clef. I suspect it's a matter of tradition once again, just a different tradition.
4  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: 20 cellos compared in one minute on: Feb 17, 2018, 11:06PM
Tried... but what did it actually sell for? Or did it even sell?
AFAIK, it never sold. I don't think Steve Dillon ever expected it would; it was more of an attention-getter than anything else. Of course, if someone had come along with a quarter of a million dollars...
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Thinking of buying a King 2b that needs slide work on: Feb 17, 2018, 04:15PM
Obligatory warning:
Don't just assume that the Slide Dr. (or anyone else) can wave his/her magic mandrel and make everything right again. There are things that can happen to a slide tube that cannot be fixed, regardless of the time and effort (and $$$) expended. What you think will be a simple slide job spirals into a full retube.
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bass trumpets on: Feb 16, 2018, 04:25PM
In the USA I think the usual instrument for bass trumpet is a vertically wound, piston valve instrument in Bb. In Europe, the usual horn is a horizontally wound, rotary valve instrument in C.
I've never seen US-made rotary valve bass trumpet, but I've seen a fair number of European-made piston valve ones in Bb (including my own Böhm & Meinl) - though the rotary valve ones in C seem to be better instruments in general.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Please keep ads out of here on: Feb 16, 2018, 01:25PM
Can one of the mods please prune this thread and move the debate posts to the appropriate section? While the value of the discussion can be debated, the fact that it its not appropriate to the instrument board should be obvious to all.
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bass trumpets on: Feb 16, 2018, 01:18PM
If you see a bass trumpet in an orchestra, they're usually playing music from Wagner's Ring cycle (Der Ring des Nibelungen). Wagner wrote a specific bass trumpet part for those operas; the bass trumpet seems to function as a "free agent" rather than as part of the trumpet or trombone sections. At times it's with the trumpets and/or trombones, but at other times, it's with the horns.

If, OTOH, you see a bass trumpet in a concert band, they're usually playing either a trombone or a baritone/euphonium part.

I don't know if it's necessarily a worthwhile double. Not many works call for it, and the ones that do aren't performed all that often. The Ring operas call for eight horns (four doubling on Wagner tuben) and contrabass trombone (plus the aforementioned bass trumpet); that's a lot of extra bodies for an orchestra to take on. I own one, but have never used it for a concert.
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bigger sound on small bore trombone with modified euro shank on: Feb 15, 2018, 10:46AM
It's essentially the same as opening up the throat and/or backbore on a small-shank mouthpiece. Some mouthpieces are larger than "standard" in those dimensions already; using Bach as an example, the small shank 6.5 AL has a larger throat and backbore than a 7C, and the small shank 5G is even larger still.

I've seen a few large shank mouthpieces that looked like they might have enough meat that you could turn one down all the way to small shank, but have never actually tried it.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Double Trigger Tenor Troms? on: Feb 11, 2018, 04:52PM
We seem to be discussing two different concepts of double-valve tenor at the same time. Some people are talking about a symphony-bore tenor with two valves (something like the Wessex PBF555) and using it as a small bass, while others are talking about a small bore along the lines of what Glenn Ferris plays on.

Between special orders, mods, and the Wessex, there are a decent number of the former out there, and we've discussed them quite a bit here. The latter (which is what the OP was asking about) is a good deal rarer, and I double if many of us have much experience with same.

I used to play lead in a big band with no bass trombone. I covered the odd exposed bass trombone lick on an Olds Recording with an f-attachment, and there were quite a few times as I was reaching for that low C that I wished for a second valve.

The lowest possible note on straight trombone is a pedal E, and even bass trombone repertoire rarely descends down to that
That's orchestral repertoire; if you're playing modern jazz as the only trombone in a small ensemble, the range is entirely a matter of how far you're willing and able to go.
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Double Trigger Tenor Troms? on: Feb 11, 2018, 09:42AM
I could see an indy setup on a small-medium bore tenor for someone who was looking for the same sort of technical facility in the lower part of the bass clef staff that they have above the staff.

12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Double Trigger Tenor Troms? on: Feb 09, 2018, 06:38PM
Glenn Ferris plays on a dual indy tenor; iirc, he used to use a heavily customized King 3B and now plays on an Inderbinen.
13  Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany / Re: Shepard Tone on: Feb 08, 2018, 08:14AM
I've heard it used in sound effects.
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Is anyone building a great 88H copy these days? on: Feb 04, 2018, 12:00PM
Better question... who isn’t making an 88H copy?
Roy Lawler
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Olds Super Silver "Hawaiian" on: Feb 02, 2018, 10:04PM
To the best of my knowledge, the "Hawaiian" name first surfaced with this thread on the forum:

I've never run across any reference to it in official Olds literature.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Is anyone building a great 88H copy these days? on: Feb 02, 2018, 12:54PM
Especially since Ford made the Mustang, not GM. :)
That's the point. GM never built a 1970 Mach One Mustang, so why would you ask them to build one for you now? Likewise, neither Shires, nor Rath, nor anyone else (other than Conn) made the 88H in the first place, so to expect them to be able to make one now is, IMHO, not reasonable. Heck, Conn can't do it, either.
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: joining the "olds" crowd on: Feb 02, 2018, 11:57AM
Gold tone ring Supers apparently date from right after WWII. S/N's are around 17,000-20,000.

Sure, you can play lead on a Super. As mentioned earlier, some people do have issues with finding the right mouthpiece.
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Is anyone building a great 88H copy these days? on: Feb 02, 2018, 10:31AM
We've been through this a few times, including a really good discussion on the long-running Shires question thread. If what you really, REALLY want is a vintage 88H, that's what you need to buy. Full stop.

There's quite a few companies making great trombones out there. They can build something for you that gives you a similar playing experience but is more consistent, more predictable, and doesn't have decades of wear - but they can't make you a vintage 88H any more than General Motors can build you a 1970 Mach One Mustang.
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Trying basses? on: Feb 01, 2018, 01:04PM
Ford--Lincoln Mercury
The parallel isn't quite perfect in some cases (Lincoln and Dodge began as independent companies), but that is the general idea.
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bass Trombones: Yamaha YBL-613 vs. Benge Symphonic 290 on: Feb 01, 2018, 08:17AM
The Yamaha is a Dependent horn and the Benge is an Indi.
The YBL-613 is an indy.

They're both good "general purpose" bass trombones; I think the the YBL-613 lends itself little more easily to a commercial sound, while the Benge lends itself a bit more readily to a symphonic sound, but those are only slight tendencies. Either one would be comfortable in a broad spectrum of playing situations.

If the horns are local to you, play 'em and buy the one you like the best. If you're not able to try them out, I'd say go with the Yammy.
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