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1  Practice Break / Religion / Re: Religion Matters: Take 3 on: Today at 10:09 AM
Depends pm what you mean by incompatible or contradictory.

At times revelation has been incautious enough to make testable assertions.

There have been a number of rather precise predictions for the end of the world and/or the return of Jesus. 

In hindsight, these seem to have failed rather consistently.  But was there any way to test that prior to the date?

Most revelation is about untestable things.  Do we have a soul?  Do we all have a soul, or just some of us?  Do animals?  Are we all to be saved, some of us, none of us? 
2  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Why is tenor clef used for trombone work? Composer preference? on: Today at 08:37 AM
Or a horn part that goes into bass clef.  I never know what they want for sure. 
3  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Define "breath support" on: Today at 05:21 AM


Commonly, problems with air have to do with a student doing strange things with air in-between notes. Hence the classic "play lines with no tongue/super gliss and slur" practice technique. and working on separating air action from tongue action.

Yes.  That's one of my faults that creeps back in until I notice or somebody points it out:  articulation that includes a little bump of air. 

One of my coworkers is an extremely bad public speaker.  Monotone, boring, doesn't get to the point, but I've come to think the irritating part is that he unconsciously uses the air bump in his sentences. 
4  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Define "breath support" on: Yesterday at 03:38 PM
If you consciously contract your abdominal muscles, you will increase the pressure on your lungs.  Same with contracting all those rib cage muscles.  Then the air will just squirt out. 

Unless.  Your diaphragm contracts isometrically to oppose your abdominals. 

Since some people recommend a punch proof stomach, and others a relaxed stomach, it appears that there is a huge range of abdominal tension for which the diaphragm can seamlessly compensate. 

While I would like to understand the physiology of what is happening, in my own playing it seems more effective to think steady air, steady air, steady air, like a combat pistol shooter thinks front sight, front sight, front sight.  There may or may not be an optimum method of obtaining that steady air. 
5  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Our unbalanced POTUS on: Yesterday at 03:27 PM
This article will only be of interest to those with functional concepts of honesty and integrity, so unfortunately that means it probably won't reach anyone who's still an actual Trump supporter (as opposed to someone who struggled to come to terms with having to cast a vote against Clinton under these conditions).
 
Ten reasons why America's evangelical Christians can no longer stand with Donald Trump

That looks like wishful thinking to me.  While those are theoretically problematic to Christian values (except for #9, which I would say is a purely ethical stance unrelated to religion) I don't see any complaint about them from the religious community. 
6  Practice Break / Religion / Re: Religion Matters: Take 3 on: Yesterday at 03:23 PM
Well, neither can science contradict the existence of Zeus or magic or any notion that's untestable though.
 
So maybe that shouldn't be a comfort.
 
Heh.

Science also can't prove or disprove love.

I don't see why you keep using emotions as an example of things science can't study.  Certainly science can measure hormone levels and brain activity, and gets better at it all the time.  There isn't any theoretical reason why this won't continue to improve.  You can probably do a decent job of delineating compatibility now. 

Instead, use the more truly supernatural:  Deities, ghosts, angels, demons, leprechauns, souls, fox spirits, clairvoyance, esp, alien abduction, etc. 

I think you're using a bad syllogism:  If science can't prove love, then spirits exist. 
7  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Why is tenor clef used for trombone work? Composer preference? on: Yesterday at 03:12 PM
You grandstaffers do realize that the tenor clef is basically your "condensed grand staff". right? Middle C in the middle, a couple lines on either side...
8  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Why is tenor clef used for trombone work? Composer preference? on: Yesterday at 05:24 AM
Second, the practical answer.  When you think about it, the range of the trombone doesn't fit well in bass clef.  As young players develop, it isn't long before they commonly see one or two ledger lines.  Older players may have to play notes requiring four, five, or even six ledger lines.  Music written this far above the staff can be confusing to read and is annoying to write out.  By changing the clef, composers and arrangers can avoid having to write so many ledger lines.'

Very very few of us play regularly above the concert pitch treble clef staff.  (very few of us can) 

A great deal of our music fits well into that treble clef staff.

Ideally I would put all trombone music on the piano great staff.  No more transposing, no more counting ledger lines, no more multiple clefs and forgetting if I'm on alto or tenor on an exposed part. 

Tradition will prevent this though. 
9  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Define "breath support" on: Feb 17, 2018, 02:58PM
Ithn't that what a bratheirre doeth?

Q:  How do you make a car top?

A:  Tep on the brake, tupid!

 
10  Practice Break / Religion / Re: Religion Matters: Take 3 on: Feb 17, 2018, 06:40AM
Not sure what you’re getting at John.  A lot of things in science are imperical in nature.  Thermodynamics is a perfect example, although there is now a lot of theory from statistical mechanics to back it up.

Yes.  Taleb goes into this in a bit of detail in his latest book Antifragile.  He says the usual assumption that basic science leads directly to technology has historically not been accurate.  In a lot of cases trial by error tinkering led to technology, which then was examined to figure out the science behind it.  And more recently with artificial intelligence we're reverting to that strategy for some areas. 
11  Practice Break / Religion / Re: Religion Matters: Take 3 on: Feb 16, 2018, 12:24PM
Tim, politics often makes strange bed-fellows,

I do not fault politicians for seeing huge opportunity in making an alliance with conservative religion.  They correctly recognized how gullible the flock could be and cynically exploited it.

I lament what it has done to religious values.  The erosion of principle has been insidious and progressive.  It is very troubling.

The damage is not universal, but particularly in the conservative wing it is widespread.   
12  Practice Break / Religion / Re: Religion Matters: Take 3 on: Feb 16, 2018, 12:05PM

 How many times should I repeat it for you? This is political, not religious.

So Christians have no moral values, only political ones.  

Got it.

Sadly, got it.  I won't ask again.  Maybe you could refrain from repeating how religion gives you absolute moral values and science doesn't.  
13  Practice Break / Religion / Re: Religion Matters: Take 3 on: Feb 16, 2018, 11:51AM
Pro-life

Really?  not a traditional Christian value - just a political positin. 

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traditional marriage and gender roles

Right.  One candidate stayed in a troubled marriage and made it work.  The other sheds spouses like hats. 

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promoting the role of christian religion

One candidate didn't know what church he belonged to, nor the denomination.  The other has attended regularly all her life, taught Sunday school, identifies as Methodist. 

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Just some of the things his base find him useful for promoting.


EXACTLY!  now you get it.  They like what is in their self interest, not what is moral.  Yet you claim religion promotes the opposite. 

and I think it did, once, but this is no longer true. 
14  Teaching & Learning / History of the Trombone / Re: How did the SLIDE come to stay? on: Feb 16, 2018, 11:35AM
Is there any other professional quality instrument as affordable as the trombone?

Maybe the answer is simpler than we think. 
15  Practice Break / Religion / Re: Religion Matters: Take 3 on: Feb 16, 2018, 11:33AM


He certainly has headed the push for a government morality much closer to what they are after.

No.  I didn't ask what he'd done.  You've already recognized his actions as often immoral, but excused him as just another of us failed sinners. 

I asked what high moral standard he has publically spoken in favor of.

I do not count prolife because he's been prochoice his entire life.  (nor is that necessarily a Christian value) 

What Christian values has he advocated?  Sanctity of marriage?  Honesty?  Humility?  Forgiveness?  Fair dealings in business?  Come on, there's gotta be something. 
16  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Open Mouth on: Feb 16, 2018, 10:23AM
Is that splashy rough sound in your ear, or on the recording?

I think you want to be careful here to find out what you really sound like. 

For me in the low range a sound that seems too bright and on the edge of blatty to my ears can be actually quite nice on a recording.  (whereas in the high range the sound that is sweet like TD to my ears can be really strained and awkward on the tape) 
17  Practice Break / Religion / Re: Religion Matters: Take 3 on: Feb 16, 2018, 09:44AM
John,
Can you think of any example where your proposed drift from methodological to philosophical naturalism caused someone to get the science wrong?
Platinga thinks it happens but I didn't find his argument convincing.  (Even though he's at my alma mater.)
18  Practice Break / Religion / Re: Religion Matters: Take 3 on: Feb 16, 2018, 09:43AM
You seem confused. Those are not moral issues, and policy wise, trump has actually pushed for their moral values even if he doesn't hold them himself.  There are numerous instance of that, for better or worse.



I can certainly accept that a person might espouse moral standards that, as a failed human, he is not quite able to adhere to.  And that he can be forgiven (provided of course he admits fault and repents.) 

In this case I can't think of any example of a moral stance.  Can you?

Remember both candidates were on record as pro-choice. 

What other issue would he be on record for claiming the moral high ground?  Ending Obama care? 
19  Practice Break / Religion / Re: Religion Matters: Take 3 on: Feb 16, 2018, 08:27AM
And this is getting back into the politics, not religion. In which case, they had a choice:
a) vote for someone who actively proposed for ethics and morals they consider blatantly wrong
b) vote for someone who actively supports ethics and morals they agree with, even if the person at the top is not the best example.

Utter BS.  They voted for tax cuts and a border wall, from a person who proudly opposed all their moral values. 
20  Practice Break / Religion / Re: Religion Matters: Take 3 on: Feb 16, 2018, 08:02AM

That is actually a legacy of politics not religion, with the catholic history of the church presiding even over kids, their authority being based on religious edicts and mandates, and questioning that logic was questioning the authority.


Nope.  Catholics (and their near relatives, Episcopals and Anglicans) say they have no problem with science or evolution.  The Creationist movement is strictly a product of American Protestantism. 
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