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1  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS: Small Shank Mouthpieces on: Oct 14, 2017, 03:02PM
Please delete - all sold.
2  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS: Small Shank Mouthpieces on: Oct 12, 2017, 01:14PM
Olds 3 sold
3  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: wtb bach double plug or yamaha xeno bass for less than $2000. on: Oct 12, 2017, 07:05AM
There's a Yamaha 612R on eBay this morning for $1100 buy it now.
4  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: wtb bach double plug or yamaha xeno bass for less than $2000. on: Oct 10, 2017, 07:20AM
For under $2,000, you will infrequently see some of the Getzen 1062's and Holton TR-181's.  Occasionally a Yamaha YSL-612II or YSL-613 will show up for that price, but unless it's a serious beater that will require substantial work, the instruments you're looking for just don't show up for under $2,000.
5  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: wtb bach double plug or yamaha xeno bass for less than $2000. on: Oct 10, 2017, 02:17AM
On eBay:
6  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS: Small Shank Mouthpieces on: Oct 10, 2017, 02:13AM
All offers considered!  Prices include shipping in the US!
7  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / FS: Small Shank Mouthpieces on: Oct 06, 2017, 01:10PM
Small Shank Mouthpieces For Sale.
Pics:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0y7etz8sc2qudp8/AAAwHNtRqKM8C_Lv-_1Vh00Da?dl=0

1.  Generic 12C - $12 shipped
This is a no-name mouthpiece, playable but rather homely.  Plating is intact on the rim, but nothing on the shank.

2.  Giardinelli 6D - SOLD

3.  Olds 3 - $15 shipped
Decent condition for an old mouthpiece, playable as is, but a replating wouldn't be a bad idea.

4.  Yamaha 48 - $25 shipped
Very good condition, some marks on the shank from insertion, but the rim is perfect.  There's a tiny scratch on the inside of the cup about 1/4" from the backbore.

5.  Yamaha 48GP - SOLD

PayPal F/F preferred.  Shipping prices are for US, outside of the US, let's talk.
8  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: FS: GW mouthpieces in stainless steel on: Sep 27, 2017, 09:11AM
PM'd re. Ron Wilkins mpc
9  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / FS: Getzen Baritone/Euph on: Sep 13, 2017, 09:03AM
Getzen bell-front baritone horn/euphonium. All tuning slides move, all valves move easily, all valves have good compression. Has aftermarket Amado water keys that work well. Case is the usual crappy wood case that probably survived World War II and looks like it. Unknown age. $300 OBO, and we can discuss shipping cost.


Please e-mail chris.waage@gmail.com.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Putting a $ value on a used trombone on: Nov 29, 2014, 06:06PM
There are a plethora of factors that go into the price of a used instrument, even a mint condition one.

For example, "new retail price" varies significantly from local retailers to online retailers.  As of today, MSRP on the King 2102L Jiggs Whigham model is $3241.  Average retail from a local "mom and pop" store would be around $2500 to $2700, and the average online retail price would be around $1900 to $2100.  The "big box" online retailers receive both a greater discount on the price of the instrument than the mom and pop stores because they buy in greater quantity.  They also take a lower profit on every sale, making it up in volume of sales.

With that said, the market for the Jiggs model instrument is narrower than, say, a Bach 42.  That doesn't mean you won't get a good price, you'll just have to wait for the right buyer.

Odds are your top dollar would be around $1400 if you're lucky.  Now the upside is that there aren't many of the 2B Jiggs Whigham's sitting on shelves, so if someone wants one, you'll have the right deal.

There's two on eBay right now - one at $1599 opening bid, the other at $695 opening bid with a $1100 "Buy it Now" price.  Two have sold in the past two months, one for $586 and the other for $1399.99.

Of course, your mileage may vary, but this is what I've seen in the 16 years I've been managing the Online Trombone Classifieds and working in music retail.

11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Best all around case for Bach Greenhoe Bass on: Nov 24, 2010, 10:09AM
I have a Protec bass case and have been using it with my Bach/Greenhoe for over a year with no problems.  Their quality has improved greatly. 

HOWEVER I don't believe I would feel comfortable checking it as baggage with an airline.  While it's protective of the instrument, it's definitely not a hard case. 

12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Accelerating the staining of raw brass... on: Dec 28, 2008, 02:09PM
Uh, I know it's kind of gross, but urine will cause brass to tarnish quickly.  Works on any metallic compound containing copper.

Ever seen someone get brand new "old" looking copper flashings on a house?  That's how they do it.

Yeah, I know.

Wear gloves.
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Make your own mouthpieces? on: Dec 28, 2008, 02:06PM
Guess you could always try the Think System.
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Forum Classified Ads advance notice on: Jan 01, 2008, 03:57PM
I have been maintaining the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds for nearly 10 years.  During that time, I have had a standing policy:  If I receive an ad that matches someone's "want to buy" ad, I will forward the ad to the potential buyer.

I have been doing this as a courtesy to the buyers and sellers for the entire time I have been responsible for the OTJ Classifieds.

If you review the OTJ Classifieds Policies, there is no statement or even implication of embargo for the newly-submitted ads.

If you have any questions about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please feel free to contact me via e-mail or PM.

Chris Waage
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Removing silver tarnish on: Oct 17, 2006, 12:48PM
Toothpaste will work - it has a mild abrasive, though.  I do have to agree that Wright's Silver Cream is the best, though.  

I haven't tried WD-40, but I would venture that it would also help in keeping the mouthpiece from getting stuck in the receiver or to your chops. Evil

When polishing anything on your instrument, you want to avoid ANYTHING that contains an abrasive.  Abrasives polish well, but they also remove a very tiny amount of metal to make it really shine.  Chemical polishes, such as the Wright's silver cream and Wright's brass polish, lack the abrasive but clean by interacting with the oxidization on the brass or the tarnish on silver.

I have also seen people use a buffing wheel with jeweler's rouge to clean up a mouthpiece, but it's VERY easy to remove the silver plating.  Never use a mouthpiece without plating - raw brass can cause all sorts of problems, especially on the lips.

16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / loud mouthpieces on: Jul 31, 2006, 05:59PM
Warning:  Using a buffer or any powered device can easily burn through the plating - be very careful!

Another warning: Always start with soft pressure - err on the side of caution.  Should you damage the plating on the rim of the mouthpiece, you'll need to either have it replated or discard it - raw brass is not a good thin.

Simple and cheap mouthpiece cleanup:

1.  Buy Wright's Silver Polish or Flitz
2.  Buy a mouthpiece brush.
3.  Put a little of either polish on the mouthpiece brush and work it through the shank.  You may have to do it a couple of times if you have tons of gunk built up in the shank.  If it's really bad, soak it in very hot water and dish soap before polishing.
4.  Put about a quarter-size blob of either on a paper towel.   Polish the mouthpiece with it.
5.  Rinse it off with water, and buff with another paper towel.
6.  Rinse everything again with water - neither polish will make you sick, but they don't taste very good.

If you don't have either polish, you can use toothpaste.  It won't do quite as good of a job, but it works.
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / D Elliott bass mpc on: Jul 31, 2006, 05:49PM
The best thing to do - if possible - is to get on the phone with Doug.  I have never seen someone who is better with finding the correct fit for people.

18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Not allowed to use Yamaha 48L on: Jul 31, 2006, 05:48PM
There's a story floating around the Internet about Reinhold Schilke playing bass trumpet in the Chicago Symphony.  When Sir Georg Solti noticed that he was using a trumpet mouthpiece on the bass trumpet, Sir Solti informed him that, "The bass trumpet is to be played with a trombone mouthpiece."

After rehearsal, Schilke went home, cut a trumpet mouthpiece on a trombone blank, then used it at the next reherasal.

Solti's comment was, "Much better."

It's not the equipment, it's the results.

The main difference between a 48L and a 6-1/2AL is that the Yamaha has a more rounded Schilke-profile rim and the Bach has the sharper, traditional Bach rim.  They are essentially the same size rim, cup and backbore.

19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Doug Elliott shanks on: Apr 15, 2004, 02:28PM
The Doug Elliott shank will only work with the cup for which it was designed.  For example, an F8 shank will work with an F cup, and a G8 with a G cup.

You can put a larger shank into a smaller cup, i.e., a G8 shank on an F cup, but the results are definitely funky.  A smaller shank, i.e. an F8 shank on a G cup, wil fit, but you'll have a flat lip all the way around the backbore.  Probably not a benefit . . .

20  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Practical Jokes on: Mar 17, 2004, 05:17PM
OK - you didn't hear these from me . . .

1.  Pull the F-attachment tuning slide on someone's instrument.  Fill slide with water, replacing it carefully.  Wait for an appropriate note, and watch their face - be cautious to be out of the range of the bell . . .

2.  Remove mouthpiece, jab it into a jar of Vaseline, wipe it down, then re-insert it.  Works especially well for trumpet players who always seem to have to blow a FFF amount of air through the instrument to drain spit before an entrance.

3.  Cover the tympani heads with a light coat of baby powder.  'nuf said.

4.  If you've ever had a problem with people "borrowing" your water bottle, keep your "real" one in a pocket, and leave one filled with vodka available for "borrowing."  Works especially well if the "borrow-ee" also sprays a few squirts in the mouth before playing.  BTW-if you really don't like them, make sure it's really cheap peppered vodka.

5.  A more subtle joke is to move the tuning slides every time the opportunity presents itself.  It takes a bit for it to be noticed.

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