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1  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Our unbalanced POTUS on: Today at 03:07 PM
Past Presidents have always been gracious enough to at least pretend that they were one among equals at these things but the US is still the 600 pound gorilla that you pretty much have to let stand anywhere he wants to.

Wow.  What an accurate description of our Fearless Leader :-P
2  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Our unbalanced POTUS on: Today at 02:15 PM
He's just following his motto: "America First" (get outta my way, peasant!) :/
3  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: What Trump's election means for the rest of the world on: Today at 10:58 AM
I'm sure most of our NATO allies were absolutely thrilled to be told they are "shirkers" by the Shirker in Chief...
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Starting my instrument collection on: Yesterday at 11:29 PM
There's a nice Conn that used to belong to Arthur Pryor for sale at Dillon's.  Only $250,000 Evil

Seriously, there are a lot of nicer horns made 50 to 100 years ago that won't break the bank.  Some are even good players.  Look for Olds, Holton, Buescher, York (make sure it's REALLY old), Martin, and Reynolds.  There are also nice older models from Conn, King, and Bach.

What are you looking to do?  I hope you aren't planning to make money off them (unless you can get really lucky at yard sales like Matt Stoecker).  If you just want to have a bunch of interesting horns you may find it fairly easy to collect quite a hoard.  If you are looking for a Shires equivalent for a dollar, forget it.

Easily half the fun of collecting odd or unusual instruments is finding out about them.  Sources like Conn Loyalist and hnwhite.com are great for Conns and Kings (respectively).  There is also a ton of information buried here on the Forum.

Good luck.
5  Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements / Re: WTB Donor Valve to replace Bach K Valve. on: Yesterday at 06:40 PM
I probably should point out that the K valve may be the reason you like the horn so much.

The K valve was Bach's answer to the Thayer.  It has very little bending to the air stream.  It's too bad that the reason you don't like it is the same reason most of us didn't like it.

You may find that when you put a regular rotor on it, it won't be quite as nice.  But I like my Bach 36 with a standard wrap and a rotor.
6  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Cold brew coffee - anybody do this? on: Yesterday at 12:35 PM
I like hot tea, and I like iced tea.
I like hot coffee, and I like iced coffee.
I like hot cocoa, but I don't like iced cocoa.
7  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Cold brew coffee - anybody do this? on: Yesterday at 12:22 PM
Cold brew is for those of us who like iced coffee and can't stand how watery it gets if you pour hot coffee over ice and find that hot coffee chilled in the 'fridge is too bitter.

We make it in gallon batches and leave it in the 'fridge until we are ready to drink it.  Mostly between April 15 and November 1 (that's about the hot weather season here).
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: C G Conn Frisco Orchestra? on: Yesterday at 12:02 PM
I wouldn't plan to retire on the proceeds from the sale.  Unless you could prove that it was a particular star's horn.

They are not common, but it's main value is how you enjoy playing it.
9  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: On youths and explaining the benefits of large-bore tenors on: Yesterday at 11:53 AM
For whippersnappers like me, could anyone tell what's wrong with the King 3B thumb trigger? I take it it is not ergonomic at all?

It's plenty ergonomic for me.  I actually like that arrangement.  It was designed for people used to holding straight tenors with the thumb around the bell brace.  Here's an F-attachment you hold exactly the same way.  It's also good because you can support the weight of the instrument in the webbing between your thumb and first finger.  This will avoid tendinitis when you overuse the two smaller fingers of the left hand to support the weight of the trombone.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Clothside case that fits large OR small bore? on: May 22, 2017, 01:17PM
Really depends on what you mean by "fits".

If the case is designed to fit a large bore the small bore may knock around a bit.  Not too much of a problem if you are just going to pop it in a car and haul.  But if you are going to pack it in the luggage compartment of a bus or airplane, the small bore may not fit well enough.

Many gig bags will fit large or small bores about equally.  I've fit anything from my alto to a double trigger bass in an Altieri.  You might also be able to do the same in a Chronkite or Reunion Blues.  Probably others as well.
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Dumb questions about basses on: May 22, 2017, 09:58AM
Older single valve basses had one tuning slide that can be pulled out to retune the attachment to E or a flat E.  This gives low B way out on the end of the slide.  At one time the attachments were actually made in E.  I have a reference to such instruments in a 100 year old trombone method by Carl Hampe (of the Boston Symphony).  Could you have a crook made so the attachment is in Eb?  Sure.  Anything is possible with money.  If it was more useful than the F, I'm sure we'd all be playing them (hint, hint).

Plug-in 2nd valves were a development of the mid 20th century.  They were supplanted by double valve instruments almost immediately since the mechanics of working with a valve located at the end of the tuning slide of the F-attachment are pretty horrendous.  First double valve basses effectively made for a "quick E-pull" being about a position long.  Then we discovered that an Eb second valve could be more useful and finally that a D second valve is even more useful.  First double valve basses were dependent (again, concept of a "quick E-pull").  Then somebody made an independent and many of us found that instrument to be even more useful.

There are large tenor/small bass instruments.  The Yamaha YBL-321 is one such.  The King 5B and Holton TR-159 are also useful as "starter basses".
12  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Most recent scam attempt on: May 22, 2017, 09:47AM
Don't try to contact salesnub.  He's no longer a member.
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Nartiss sackbut review on: May 22, 2017, 09:35AM
I have a "High Pitch" trombone from 100 years ago.  It's shorter than a conventional tenor.  It plays like a Trombone in B when played against A=440 instruments.  So would this be a Trombone in C at A=415?

Personally, I've always wondered why the trombone was made in Bb.  My own (probably wrong) theory is that it was originally supposed to be in A (string instruments have one string that is also in A: top string on viola and cello and 2nd string on violin and double bass).  At that time standard pitch was A=465.  Now we adopt A=440 and we have these trombones that it's really tough to modify.  So we consider them instruments in Bb.
14  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: Most recent scam attempt on: May 22, 2017, 09:26AM
Salesnub shows as a Forum member, but also shows as a Spammer on Stop Forum Spam.  I'm deleting his account NOW.
15  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: what 'key' is the trombone in? on: May 22, 2017, 09:21AM
The fingering system used on MOST woodwinds was invented by Boehm in the early 1800s.  It allowed any woodwind player to use more or less the same fingers on all of the instruments.  There are some subtle differences, and the Bassoon doesn't really fit the mold as well.

The idea of using mostly Bb and Eb was an arbitrary decision, but now has the weight of custom.  For some reason, piccolos were made in Db at one time.  The parts have oodles of sharps and most modern flute players go bananas if they encounter one.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Nartiss sackbut review on: May 22, 2017, 09:09AM
Let's see if I have this right:

In Chorton (A=465) a Bb (at A=440) instrument is now in A.
In Conventional Baroque (A=415) a Bb (at A=440) is now in B.

Would a High Pitch instrument (made so A=465) be in C if played in Conventional Baroque?
17  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: alto or tenor: Leonore #3 on: May 21, 2017, 11:37AM
Might want to give them their own thread. Popcorn and beer has been okay up to this point. And since there's no real basketball until June 1st, on with the freak show...

Just because the Celtics and Sonics are out of it, there should be some good ball beteen Curry and James in the finals.  Yes, I know there are still at least two games between the Celtics and Cavaliers, but the way the Celtics were manhandled in the first two, I'm counting them out.
18  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Our unbalanced POTUS on: May 21, 2017, 09:13AM
Wonder if he realizes that the medal belongs to the People of the United States and he can't take it with him or hock it. :-P
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Availability of Tiger plastic trombone (Bb/F) ? on: May 21, 2017, 09:08AM
I don't think anybody but Tiger offers a plastic trombone with an F-attachment.  Since these things are molded, there is a high cost of tooling to create the molds after which the part cost is fairly low.  But I don't have conclusive proof that only one Chinese factory is making all the plastic trombones/trumpets/etc.

The scratchy slide has been with us since the introduction of the pBone (designed by some guys in Britain and made for them in China, and then licensed to Conn-Selmer for sale in the US).  Part of it is due to sharp edges on the brass stocking.  Part of it is that the inside of the outer slide is not cleanly finished and has to be honed in through use.
20  Creation and Performance / Performance / Re: alto or tenor: Leonore #3 on: May 21, 2017, 09:00AM
Wow is this getting old fast.

Happens every time Kimball and Weiner post in the same thread.  I don't think they like each other. :-P

Meanwhile, if this stays as a two sided slash and burn attack on each other's scholarship, I think we may need to shut this down.  We've long ago dispensed with Silverbone's question.
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