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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bass trumpets on: Today at 02:52 PM
For information, the transition from Bb to C trumpets in orchestras occurred around 1920.  I have a picture of the Boston Symphony Brass from 1921.  Principal Georges Mager and Joseph Mann hold C trumpets. Louis Klopfer holds a Bb, and I can't tell what Gustave Perret holds.  All of the principal trumpets before Mager (who was named Principal in 1919) played Bb trumpets.
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: How to quickly clean bell on: Today at 02:41 PM
White water stains are fairly rich in calcium and are generally tough to remove.

As a first try I'd go with Windex or another window cleaner.

If you have black stains on brass, they are generally pretty deep and you need to polish them out (if you can).  They are copper oxide or copper sulfide.
3  Practice Break / Chit-Chat / Re: New Forum Members! on: Today at 08:05 AM
My Physics courses ended quite a few years ago.  I'm trying to figure out how you measure the "properties" of Quarks.  What is "charmed" and "strange"?  Plus, there have to be hundreds of subatomic particles that I've never heard of.

As a Chemical Engineer my physics tended to be geared toward thermodynamics and toward mechanical issues.

Germane to our earlier discussion: as a trumpet player do you play  with 1st valve or with 1-3?  It's the same with our positions.  We can play  in 6th position, but it's generally used as a "gimmick" (like Arthur Pryor doing a full arpeggio from high C (an octave above that note) to F below the bass staff all in one position.
4  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Our unbalanced POTUS on: Today at 06:41 AM
Don't know

I kept hearing that through the campaign, but her actual experience was:
a) political posting as secretary of state.
b) short tenure as senator. Was elected in 2000, and again in 2006... though the latter was mostly spent campaigning, and the rest of the time was spent in the minority.

Otherwise, she was with Bill as Arkansas AG, Gov and then president. Which basically indicates that she knows people and has connections, but doesn't really indicate any competence in those areas. I wouldn't think Melania would be a great politician because her hubby is pres.

Never really understood why she got the label of "most competent ever!". Her public persona has also been cold and kinda sucky. She has had major political initiatives, though none ever went anywhere. And yes, she's a policy wonk, but she never really showed focus on the people that made up the numbers. And yes, she could name the russian prime minister, but she also pissed off Putin enough he launched an effective campaign against her.

Just about anybody who runs for President who was not a Vice-President has very little direct experience about the job.

Tne difference between Melania and Hillary is that Hillary is a trained lawyer and probably discussed matters with her husband while Melania is more the "trophy wife" and probably has no administrative ability whatever.

I would guess that compared to any non Vice-President and many who were, Hillary Clinton was pretty competent as Presidential material.  The only spouse I can think of who might have been more competent would be Eleanor Roosevelt.
5  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Why is tenor clef used for trombone work? Composer preference? on: Yesterday at 07:01 PM
There's a horn player joke where you have music that is a line of C's    and the horn transpositions make it do "happy birthday".

Oops, it's a line of G's:

6  Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists / Re: MP on: Yesterday at 06:57 PM
Which plastic mouthpiece did you try?  Sometimes it's the shape of the mouthpiece that creates the foggy sound.  Or the fit in the shank.

Some of us with allergies use plastic rims or entirely plastic mouthpieces.

Also, for Christmas carol gigs or late season football games in the North you will find a plastic mouthpiece to be a godsend.  Much better in the cold weather.
7  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Why is tenor clef used for trombone work? Composer preference? on: Yesterday at 06:04 PM
Just imagine the angst if someone used the bass clef with the tiny 8 above or below it instead of the standard 8va with a line.  Evil

You mean like the old tenor vocal parts with a G clef with a small 8 attached to the bottom loop?  (Treble clef down an octave)
8  Teaching & Learning / Practice Room / Re: Low register chin movement issues on: Yesterday at 05:25 PM
It is common practice to lower the chin to increase the oral cavity for lower notes, but that should really come into play as you descend below the bass staff; not in it.  If you are at maximum oral cavity for low E, there's nowhere to go as you descend further.

I had your problem in High School and my teacher made me consciously "close my mouth". 

I had a couple of pieces of 1/4" squeegee rubber that I used to have kids clamp down on, but you may not have access to that.  A pencil eraser could substitute.  You'll want to keep it totally inside your mouth so one still attached to a pencil may not work.  Also, you have to be careful not to swallow the thing.

Good luck.
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories / Re: Softone Mute on: Yesterday at 05:14 PM
So except for a rant about why a Softone is more convenient than a bucket (totally implied; it's not mentioned once in the article) why is this important?

The Softone was intended as a warmup mute.  We discovered it can sorta serve as a bucket and it's better than nothing.

Please explain your point.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Mouthpiece suggestions? on: Yesterday at 02:30 PM
Sorry, I can only add:


Warburton 8 (M, D, ST)

Hammond 11 (ML, MXL, XL)

Laskey 59

See what you can beg, borrow, or steal to test.  Check with friends, you teacher, etc.

Just saying "bigger than" leaves a wide range of what you are looking for.

If you can manage it, a Skype lesson with Doug Elliott could help you narrow the range a lot.  He won't force you to buy his mouthpieces (although they are REALLY good).
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Tune in Slide Removal on: Yesterday at 02:22 PM
I suspect this adventure is going to cost more in the after sale costs than the actual purchase.

We have had a problem with pictures here for quite a while.  I posted a thread on it: http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,75147.0.html

One of the workarounds I suggested back then was to use the Gallery.  The Gallery no longer accepts images either.

So the way to post pictures is to host them somewhere else online and reference them.
12  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Our unbalanced POTUS on: Yesterday at 01:47 PM
Russ, I won't deny that she was a tremendously competent candidate for President.

Notice that the decline started in 2014, about the time the Russians started the disinformation campaign.  With the aid of the Republicans, no doubt.

As Nate Silver says, the October FBI letter was a real stab in the heart.
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Tune in Slide Removal on: Yesterday at 11:07 AM
Well, I meant for me since it's relevant. Did I miss something about this horn being resold to a student?

It's a present for his daughter.
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Tune in Slide Removal on: Yesterday at 10:53 AM
No kid is going to buy "no tuning".  And if they did, their Band Directors would refuse.
15  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Our unbalanced POTUS on: Yesterday at 10:49 AM
Note that this would all be quite academic if Hillary wasn't such a bad candidate.  People didn't trust her either.  She had negative ratings almost as bad as Trump.

I notice that for the past couple of weeks Trump's approval rating has been going up.  It's over 40% and probably as high as it's been.

Watch for a book in 2025 by a modern day Theodore White: "The Stealing of an Election 2016".
16  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Why is tenor clef used for trombone work? Composer preference? on: Yesterday at 10:34 AM
Clarinet players generally have instruments pitched for the different parts.  Eb, C, Bb, and A.

On the other hand, transposing trumpet and horn parts date from before there were valves and the players would adjust the tuning of the instrument using different crooks.

An odd duck is Trumpet/Cornet in A.  Around the turn of the 20th Century, Bb trumpets and cornets were made with a transposing valve (1/2 step) so the instrument would go from Bb to A.  This made playing in the sharp Orchestral keys use better valve combinations (avoiding 2-3 and 1-2-3 in particular).  Exacting players would also adjust tuning slides on the valves when switched to A.  I've never seen parts where the trumpets had to switch from Bb to A "on the fly".
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bass trumpets on: Yesterday at 07:48 AM
Bach made an Eb bass trumpet as well as the Bb.  The Eb used an alto horn shank mouthpiece and was more geared toward a trumpet player than a trombone player.
18  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Our unbalanced POTUS on: Yesterday at 07:43 AM
Nate Silver on FiveThirtyEight.com did an analysis of the statistical probability that the Russian intervention materially changed the outcome of the election.  His conclusion: not much.  The Comey letter in October did a lot more damage.  Very interesting article:


There are two things to look at:

1.  Did the Russians interfere with the election (probably did).  Was it material (maybe not).
2.  Did Trump's campaign work with or accept money or otherwise deal with a foreign entity (which is illegal).  Yet to be proven or disproven.
19  Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy / Re: Why is tenor clef used for trombone work? Composer preference? on: Yesterday at 07:36 AM
Stupid writing is, sadly, still common.

I had a trombone part where they had a string of C's (one ledger line) and changed clef for one of them (!).  Back to bass clef after that one note.

Not uncommon to see parts with Cb and B natural on adjacent bars.  The arranger types will say that it's the note spelling of the chord, but for a player it's only confusing.  If somebody could explain what nuance I should put in those two notes, I'd be grateful.

Russian music used alto clef for all three parts (even the Bass!).  Poor 3rd trombone had to deal with a heap of ledger lines DOWN.

I have a bass clef part for 1st trombone in Brahms' Academic Festival Overture.  There is a high Ab and a higher Db in the part.  In this bass clef part they put a non-transposed treble clef change.  I pity the poor bass clef only player encountering those two notes.

If you have a student who is questioning the use of the four clefs in trombone writing (or tenor in cello or bassoon), they need to understand that they will encounter them in practice and need to be ready.
20  Practice Break / Purely Politics / Re: Our unbalanced POTUS on: Feb 17, 2018, 09:52PM
I bet at least one of those who are indicted will be happy to flip on Trump.

Except they are all Russians and couldn't care a fig.

Latest:  Trump claims FBI failed to follow up on Cruz warning because they are busy investigating Russian interference in the election.
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