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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Edwards bell measurement question on: Nov 13, 2017, 01:54PM
I would definitely check with Schilke to see if they have alternative bells available. They were touting them as modular, so seems kinda like an implication that alternative bells would be available. Of course, they may be moving most of their trombone development budget to Greenhoe now.
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: One piece bell, two piece bell, screw flare bell, bell garland? on: Nov 12, 2017, 01:13PM
If the metal to be joined is brass, then brazing and welding are exactly the same thing.  Jus' sayin'.
Not entirely. With brazing the joined metals usually do not melt, which is why you can see the brazing line on brazed bells. On a welded bell, the metals to be joined are melted as well, so you will usually not be able to see the seam.
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: One piece bell, two piece bell, screw flare bell, bell garland? on: Nov 10, 2017, 06:22PM
If I recall, Rath likes the two piece design because it gives better control over the thickness of the brass in the bell. One piece construction involves a lot of stretching, which can make it more variable. Of course, some would say that is where the magic is.

Neither is really better or worse. Then you also have multiple ways of joining the bell together. Traditionally seams would be brazed, but modern Conn horns and Yamaha use welding.

Bell garlands are not something seen as much this side of the pond. I usually only see them on German trombones, which are IMHO quite different in conception and construction than other trombones. They use thinner materials and then use the snakes, garlands, etc to help tame excessive vibration.
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Custom horn with no budget (not sure if this belongs here) on: Oct 31, 2017, 01:10PM
I would definitely talk to the guys at the various custom makers, and see what they say. Most likely an in person fitting would be the best way to go about this.
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Polish, engrave, lacquer, polish? on: Oct 31, 2017, 01:09PM
As said, lacquer is the last step. If you want it to match the horn, you are going to need someone who can match the color of the existing horn, and really I would think you would want the tech to decide how best to do it.

Finding a tech/company that could do it from start to finish would probably be the best idea. However, engraving is almost becoming a lost art, and the days of old when Conn had a staff of engravers is long gone. Many now use laser engravers, or CNC controlled ones, as they can easily replicate the same markings over and over.
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Which inner tube for a 3b? on: Oct 26, 2017, 11:08AM
Is there a price difference? You can always cut one down if it is too long.

The inner tube on the tenon side should go all the way into the tenon, so that would be longer than the mouthpiece side inner tube.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Your Opinion; Bach 36G w/Silver Slide - Option, Custom or Mismatch? on: Oct 25, 2017, 06:35PM
Do the slides even have anything on them designating what type they are? Most that I have seen just say "Model 36" on the slide, whether it is brass or nickel.
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Tuning in Slide vs. Tuning in Bell on: Oct 11, 2017, 11:41AM
The question then is always whether that was due to the trombone being slide tuned, or just to the overall build quality or design.
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Acid Bleed on: Oct 10, 2017, 08:48AM
My horns with acid bleed usually had it occur in the first few years of ownership, then it stabilized. I think the vibrations from playing help it develop, and once it's run the course, it stops spreading.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Speedbar Triggers on: Oct 10, 2017, 06:58AM
Not to mention, it's coming from Japan. Just not worth the hassle to get it in from overseas, and YES it is overpriced, especially considering the condition, and what it is. Many players will want to split the triggers to make it more like a "modern" horn. Not saying it's a bad horn, but it's not $2148 of horn.

I wonder where they got that oddly specific price.
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: "Stuffiness" in same model horns? on: Oct 10, 2017, 05:46AM
Definitely go with the one that sounds better. Valves and such can be refitted, replaced etc but stuffiness can be harder to fix.

Unless there actually IS something stuck in there, which unfortunately can happen when a used horn is sitting out for a long time.

Did you try swapping slides between the two horns just to see what would happen?
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Acid Bleed on: Oct 10, 2017, 05:41AM
Unfortunately there is really no way to stop it from spreading. Depends on how much flux is trapped, and how much makes its way out. I remember some 80s/90s Yamaha horns would have acid bleed almost all the way around the bell.
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Performance Major Trombone Question on: Oct 02, 2017, 08:39AM
Such a difficult question. It also takes a while to get used to a new setup, so it's hard to really say how much of an improvement you would get. I would discuss this with your teacher and colleagues, and see what they have to say. There are a TON of horns out there, and finding "THE ONE" can be anywhere from impossible to easy. It depends more on you, and how specialized your demands for a horn are.

How close was the Shires setup you got fitted with to your 88H?
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Getzen 3047AF on: Sep 24, 2017, 01:29PM
I use the brazing lines to give me at least one indication as to the time and skill put into the horn.  It takes a skilled craftsman to get a perfect seam as you will see in the Getzens, Shires and others...
The seam on my Bach 42 is beautiful. Now if only they had done a better job on the lacquer, and not let a bunch of dirt land on it before it dried.
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Long term storage of the trombone on: Sep 24, 2017, 01:27PM
I would give the trombone a bath, and clean out everything, especially in the slide, which is where the lion's share of the gunk develops. The tuning slide should definitely be both cleaned and greased, and I would also recommend leaving it out just a bit to help free it up. I have one yamaha trombone where an F-attachment slide keeps sticking.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Getzen 3047AF on: Sep 23, 2017, 10:17PM
Getzen uses two piece bells, so there is a brazed seam where the flare attached to the spout, and also one down the spout, usually on the bottom of the bell.  Some bells are now welded, like many yamaha and conn bells, but for most makers brazing is still used.

Kanstul uses yellow brass as the brazing material on both yellow and rose brass trombone bells, so the seam is nearly invisible on yellow bells.
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: lubricant for removable leadpipes on: Sep 12, 2017, 08:59PM
I rub in some of the hetman tuning slide gel on the entire surface to help protect it and keep it from getting stuck.
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Minor Issue with Shires Bass Slide on: Sep 04, 2017, 01:13PM
It could be the lubricant you use too. I finally gave up on using the Yamaha stuff on my Edwards. It seems to only like trombotine
Edwards pretty much recommends only trombotine for their slides.
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: New Elkhart 88HO on: Aug 30, 2017, 08:17PM
Yeah, it sounds like place are more willing to stock them. Even HornGuys wasn't stocking them for awhile. Thats a pretty bold move!
They have done that a lot in the past when too many horns were failing initial inspection. I think they stopped stocking Getzen for a while because of that. I wonder if maybe the King trombones will get back to the level. I hope so.
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Minor Issue with Shires Bass Slide on: Aug 28, 2017, 05:23PM
Have you used the wet cleaning portion of the slide-o-mix system? Some water, dish soap, and the cleaning brush can help get out any possible dried lubricant that is in there.
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