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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: The brand-new Bach 'Centennial' on: Yesterday at 08:58 PM
Only $500 more than a standard 42B? That I'll have to see for myself. The way they were marketing it over in Europe made it sound like it would probably be the same price as the artisan series horns.

500 would put it at around the same cost as the 42AF horns, and a little under the 42A horns.

I think I remember they were going to offer some bell and handslide options, which most likely will be an upcharge.
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Best Bach 42 copy right now? on: Yesterday at 08:54 PM
There are some good ones out there, inspired by the Bach 42 model

Getzen Custom 4047DS
Kanstul 1570
Courtois Legend 420 Series
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: medium bore Yamahas, 600 series on: Feb 17, 2018, 02:23PM
The 600 series Yamahas are great horns, and a bit more affordable. They also have a "semi-open" wrap if you go for an F-attachment, which is definitely a good thing in high school, as you don't have this long tube sticking out past your head.

Only issue I have ever had with mine is with the case. The Slide compartment is quite loose, and the slide actually has room to move around, so I put some extra padding in it to keep it more stable.
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Factory Direct new Conn 88HOSP! on: Feb 14, 2018, 04:27PM
That may be some type of preservative? I would imagine most of their horns are shipped with the idea that the dealer will prepare them.
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Jazz trombone for concert band on: Feb 11, 2018, 10:02AM
Thanks for all of the input! It has helped a lot!
What make/model of horn have you been looking at?
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bach 39 alto on: Feb 11, 2018, 09:58AM
They are fun instruments to play. Who cares if the bell doesn't line up with 3rd position? I very much enjoy mine.

A lot of people seem to consider not lining up an issue. I'm not entirely sure why. It's not like every horn lines up at 3 position anyway. I have quite a fun time playing mine as well, when I remember I have one.

It's a somewhat "trash-talked" horn. It has its quirks. But I think the sound quality is excellent -- clear and pure. I have played three different ones and enjoyed them all.
  This is what I don't get. Lots of horns have quirks, Bachs included. The partials don't line up as well as some horns, but if you're playing with just muscle memory, that's not going to work anyway.

I wasn't trying to "Trash-talk" the 39 at all. I just know that a lot of people consider certain aspects of it to be less than ideal when compared to current offerings. I wouldn't still own a 39 if I thought it was a bad horn.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bach 39 alto on: Feb 10, 2018, 09:17AM
They are smaller bore than many of the current altos on the market. Also the bell does not line up with third position. They are good horns, but some say they don't blend as well with sections are other more modern designs.
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Feel.... the real obsession on: Feb 08, 2018, 03:24PM
Feel is honestly the most important thing I look for in any type of instrument. You want the instrument to be an extension of yourself, and if it feels detached or out of my control, it's gotta move on.
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bass Trombones: Yamaha YBL-613 vs. Benge Symphonic 290 on: Feb 08, 2018, 03:21PM
Ahh, that's the early one, before the 613H came out. I know there was a 613 and 613R. I don't see a listing for a 613G in the yamaha parts catalog. I also see a 613HEL and 613HS.

I think the condition of the horn, and how it plays for you would be most important. Both are good horns but if treated poorly they can be not the best.  How is the plating on the 613 inner slide tubes?
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Rath consistency of production on: Feb 02, 2018, 09:07PM
With Edwards as well, you go to get fitted, and then usually the parts are made. Keeping all of the myriad possibilities in stock ready to ship would result in quite a lot of extra inventory, which increases overhead costs.
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Kanstul large bore tenors: who’s playing them? on: Jan 30, 2018, 07:43PM
I have a 1570 and a 1588. Great horns, but a bit lighter weight wise than a lot of horns, so they don't really fit the "sound cannon" mold of many symphony bore horns.  They are definitely more popular on the west coast near their home in California. You don't see them as much out hear near New York.
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bach to produce a new Friedman model on: Jan 23, 2018, 03:41PM
Wow, interesting to see bach finally offering standard options. I wonder what the upcharge will be?

I never understand why Bach doesn't just design a better standard rotor, instead of having one imported. They certainly have the production and machining capacity.

This all certainly is tempting though. All yellow Brass bach's are something I've always loved.  I wonder how the heavyweight and lightweight bells respond compared to the "standard".
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Lubricant/oil for Bach Infinty (Olsen) axial flow valve on: Jan 18, 2018, 03:29PM
And unlike the original axial valves,  there is no need to oil the spindle since it runs on a sealed bearing.
I knew they were ball bearing, but they are sealed too? That's pretty awesome.  When my Aluminum Thayer finally goes, I'll definitely have to consider the olsen valve. Are the mounting dimensions the same?
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bach to produce a new Friedman model on: Jan 17, 2018, 07:19PM
So... what exactly is "new" about the Meinlschmidt "OpenFlow" valve? They've been around for almost 10 years now, right?  Can't wait to see what Bach will charge for this one.
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: How many horns do you own? on: Jan 16, 2018, 08:06AM
Still the same 7! I've been good. Keeping them all in good working order is something that I always worry about, and less horns means less to worry about.

Currently thinking about whether to have an olsen valve stuck on my Bach 42T or not. I like it the way it is, I just know that eventually the original thayer is going to go.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: The Conn 88H SGX on: Jan 13, 2018, 07:43PM
Isn't the CL2000 version what Christian Lindberg currently plays?

The eastlake-made Conn horns were good, and the SGX is a good package, if a bit overdone with all the plating, gold wash, etc.  Sterling Silver is something I've often thought about getting on a horn, probably a 4B, but just can't manage to find one I really bond with. Doesn't help that I'm beyond OCD with horn appearance and condition.
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Bach to produce a new Friedman model on: Jan 12, 2018, 06:27PM
The dual bore overtone series thing is not something I had heard of before. Very interesting.

I have thought about picking up a "small bass" or "larger than symphony" tenor for a while.

I wonder what this valve he is talking about is. Most responsive valve ever played?
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Ideas for a better valve on: Jan 04, 2018, 07:07PM
I'm going to buck conventional wisdom and say that maybe you need MORE resistance in the F-loop.  Sometimes that little bit of resistance a good rotor provides balances your embouchure to make the notes easier.  Don't get hung up on "open".  Try everything.
I honestly can pop out pedal tones easier with smaller rim mouthpieces on a King 3b due to the change in resistance.

I would really like to know what exact problems the threadstarter is having with the thayer valve in the lower register. Most of the regular aftermarket replacements are also quite open blowing as well.
19  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: New Hagmann Valve? on: Dec 28, 2017, 07:23PM
Interesting. Looks like maybe they changed the design to have less surface area on the outside edge, which can make less friction? You'd really need to talk to someone whose taken both apart. Maybe ask Rath directly?
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Corrosion Inside Inner Slide on: Dec 28, 2017, 07:15PM
Are you sure it's corrosion and not just gunk from lack of cleaning? When is the last time you used a brush to clean out the inside of the inners?
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