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 51 
 on: Today at 01:27 PM 
Started by bonenick - Last post by bonenick
Is that red thing in the center a membrane?  If so, you could look for the Humes and Berg Buzz-Wow.  Not quite the same but it will add a kazoo like buzz to your sound.

Yes, it is small buzzing membrane.

I would probably just get from DJ his buzz mute. The sound was quite what I would like in a buzz mute  :/

 52 
 on: Today at 01:22 PM 
Started by Dixieland57 - Last post by FranksProject43
Of course, it is not always a trombone! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAev0A3IxK0

 53 
 on: Today at 01:13 PM 
Started by Dixieland57 - Last post by FranksProject43
Check out The Crusaders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMih5WVA1p0

 54 
 on: Today at 01:00 PM 
Started by SilverBone - Last post by Posaunus
What is your evidence that the alto trombone parts written by Beethoven were not for alto trombone? If you're going to call out Jay Friedman, I hope you have something pretty compelling to show us.

Brad (Blowero),

Actually there was an almost-interminably-long thread on this topic about a year ago, in which Howard Weiner, a noted authority on the history of the trombone, made a pretty good case for when alto trombones were - and were not - used in the 19th century.  He believed (based on pretty convincing historical evidence) that Beethoven did not call for what we now call an alto trombone.  Not everyone (including Will Kimball) accepts his arguments, but I, for one, found it "pretty compelling."  Unfortunately, to get the gist, you may have to suffer through reading much of that thread! 

Here are a few excerpts from that thread:

Re: Use of Trombones in Orchestra
Reply #40 on: Apr 22, 2016, 08:21AM

Howard's monograph on the subject is available online here.

Pages 59-65 deal with "The Viennese "alto" trombone", explicitly referencing those high Fs among other things. The contention is that all would have been played on a tenor-length instrument.

Small bores, small mouthpieces, professional players... No reason that F couldn't have been comfortable enough.

Re: Use of Trombones in Orchestra
Reply #41 on: Apr 22, 2016, 08:35AM

No, as far as I've been able to determine, the alto trombone in E-flat wasn't introduced to Vienna until 1883.

During most of the 18th century, Viennese composers tended to call for only two trombones in the alto and tenor ranges, respectively, with both parts being played on tenor instruments. When a third trombone was called for in the bass range, it too was played on a tenor.-- The only difference would have been in the size of the mouthpieces.

When the Vienna court opera orchestra adopted valve trombones around the mid 1830s, the standard trombone section was soon made up of two tenor valve trombones in B-flat and one bass valve trombone in F. Until 1883, when the slide trombone was reintroduced.

The alto trombone in F is a product of the 20th century -- but that's another story.

Howard

All that being said, it's hard to disagree that - with a modern orchestra in a modern concert hall - a modern alto trombone (or perhaps a small-bore tenor) might actually be preferable for the 1st trombone part on many early 19th century works.  As was said earlier in this thread: "Use the horn that you can make the music best musically."  Jay Friedman may not be totally correct on his history, but he knows how to make music! 

<Edit: Fixed quote>

 55 
 on: Today at 12:55 PM 
Started by tromprof - Last post by tromprof
For sale is my Rath R9DST bass trombone. The valves are dependent Hagmanns, the bell is is "750R" which is his mid weight red brass, the J crook is also red brass. The slide is yellow brass, with a yellow brass crook. The horn comes with 2 leadpipes, a Rath #2 and a Brass Ark BH62 in seamed yellow brass. The horn is in excellent condition, I have really taken care of it and the valves get oiled almost daily (and have been trouble free as a result). There are a couple of minor mute dings, otherwise it looks fantastic.
The horn has been my main horn for the last 5 years and has been used on everything from Bruckner symphonies to Mozart and pops. It produces a huge dark sound, and is a very free blowing horn. The Hagmann valves are as open a Axial Flow valves, but with a much quicker throw. I have always been a fan of the TIS Conns, and this is like a superb, modern version of those old horns.
Price is $3200 OBO

Pictures coming soon.

 56 
 on: Today at 12:42 PM 
Started by TromboneConcerto - Last post by gregs70
I played a .547 bore with a 5G as my only horn for years.  I lucked into a Holton TR180 with 1 1/2G.  I had used the King as a bass before so I had an advantage going in.  My primary horn now is a 3B/Bach 7 combo.  I never play both horns on the same day, which is the opposite of what some others have said.  Are they wrong, or am I?  Who knows.  Find what works for YOU!  At one time I played lead lead in a big band and covered the French horn part on a brass quintet, while playing bass in a community band and subbing as bass elsewhere.  I am so glad I am a doubler. 

 57 
 on: Today at 12:28 PM 
Started by SilverBone - Last post by Bcschipper

[this post typed from backstage at an all Beethoven period instrument concert]



Wow, you really mean trombone manufactured at Beethoven's time? What slide lubricant do you use? Do you use the one used in Beethoven's time? 

 58 
 on: Today at 12:21 PM 
Started by CBW - Last post by CBW
Looking for Doug Yeo Signature mouthpiece (golld rim)
Please email
colinwilliamson@icloud.com
Thanks

Mouthpiece found please delete. Thank you

 59 
 on: Today at 12:16 PM 
Started by FontanaGreenJohnson - Last post by FontanaGreenJohnson
Price drop: $2150.00

 60 
 on: Today at 12:15 PM 
Started by Dixieland57 - Last post by Dixieland57
Hi, after having seen lots of jazz concert, a question crossed my mind.

Why in small jazz combos it's always sax and trumpet and never sax and trombone.

Does trombone have a place in small combos?

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