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 91 
 on: Today at 10:46 AM 
Started by BillO - Last post by timothy42b
Ummm No. Many are poor because they are unfortunate and many are poor because they are lazy.


I rest my case. 

 92 
 on: Today at 10:45 AM 
Started by BillO - Last post by ronkny
And again, you are looking at people who claim to practice a religion rather than the religion. If you are judging a religion, look to what it says. If you want to judge believers, then look to the believers. But there seems to be an effort, intentional?, to judge a religion by what is viewed as the worst of the believers.

In this example, there are many christians that do not follow the conservative politics and they are ignored in favor of christians who do in order to make a point.

Judge the religion by the religion, and the believers as the believers.

For people who constantly argue philosophy and logic, there seems to be quiet an intentional blurring of lines to put the fault of one thing on another, even if the other actually goes strictly against it.
"But there seems to be an effort, intentional?, to judge a religion by what is viewed as the worst of the believers." Because it fits their premise.

"For people who constantly argue philosophy and logic, there seems to be quiet an intentional blurring of lines to put the fault of one thing on another, even if the other actually goes strictly against it."  Because it fits their stereotype and argument.

 93 
 on: Today at 10:43 AM 
Started by BillO - Last post by B0B
You're not wrong, but with one, it's impossible to question the source - God cannot be wrong, cannot be questioned - with the other, even if it doesn't always happen, there is at least the possibility to question the source. Neither are perfect, but one completely precludes the possibility of examining the motives behind the rules, and the other at least leaves a hole for doubt.

I would quabble a bit with this. Just a clarification really. You can question the source, seek to understand, and comprehend... that is basically Theology in a nutshell. Even in belief, most believers with question God Himself and His motives. for ex: "Why did that good person have to die?!" There is no stopping that questioning. It just doesn't change any outcome.

What you cannot do is work to change the ultimate decree. In the death penalty, whether you agree or disagree, you can vote and try to get the laws changed. In religion, the laws are the laws. You can question and try to understand. You just can't change it.


Should also note, a lot of "laws" aren't so much edicts from God, but teachings of the church aka man. Those can certainly change with understanding and do.

 94 
 on: Today at 10:43 AM 
Started by BillO - Last post by ronkny
Sadly, that has not been true for a long time, since the conservative Christian church made its unholy alliance with the conservative political party.  Now people who are poor are regarded as deserving it. 
Ummm No. Many are poor because they are unfortunate and many are poor because they are lazy.
What IS the "conservative Christian church" anyway?

 95 
 on: Today at 10:43 AM 
Started by crazytrombonist505 - Last post by crazytrombonist505
Hello fellow trombonists,
I'm looking to buy a set of leather hand grips for my new Xeno 8820. But before I buy a brand new set, does anyone have a set laying around that they can sell me? No color preference, but must be in good condition. If you have a set you can sell me, please shoot me a PM!

Thanks,

Zach

 96 
 on: Today at 10:37 AM 
Started by Klwklwmom - Last post by Klwklwmom
Writing to ask for guidance for my soon to be 9th grader. He is wanting to move to a bass trombone for jazz band. He's most likely not going to continue playing after high school. Wanting a decent instrument but can't pay a lot for one. Any suggestions? would a Yamaha intermediate bass be better or than a lesser branded double rotar bass? I know NOTHING about trombones brands or what I should be looking for. Thanks!

 97 
 on: Today at 10:34 AM 
Started by BillO - Last post by B0B
Sadly, that has not been true for a long time, since the conservative Christian church made its unholy alliance with the conservative political party.  Now people who are poor are regarded as deserving it. 
And again, you are looking at people who claim to practice a religion rather than the religion. If you are judging a religion, look to what it says. If you want to judge believers, then look to the believers. But there seems to be an effort, intentional?, to judge a religion by what is viewed as the worst of the believers.

In this example, there are many christians that do not follow the conservative politics and they are ignored in favor of christians who do in order to make a point.

Judge the religion by the religion, and the believers as the believers.

For people who constantly argue philosophy and logic, there seems to be quiet an intentional blurring of lines to put the fault of one thing on another, even if the other actually goes strictly against it.

 98 
 on: Today at 10:32 AM 
Started by Pteranabone - Last post by Posaunus
...the revolutionary processes for making and shipping them were completely scrapped. 

Or are you possibly referring to the Saturn, and not the pretty successful Nova? 

 99 
 on: Today at 10:29 AM 
Started by Hmb - Last post by crazytrombonist505
Keep your Yamaha and add something like a King 4B-F, Benge 165F or Benge 190F.  Either can be had for around $1K.  I recommend the .547 since, if you have the choice, 3rd seat for concert band (or 4th in a jazz band) is more interesting than 2nd, unless you are doing traditional Big Band music, then 2nd is the solo seat.  The bigger horn will come in handy in 3rd or 4th and your Yamaha can play 2nd or 1st quite well.

Agreed! Getting a .547 in addition to your Yamaha that you have is probably a good option to pursue. There are many used .547 horns that can be had on eBay and here in the forum that would suit your purpose well.

 100 
 on: Today at 10:29 AM 
Started by BillO - Last post by B0B
Well, it does not seem that way from what you are writing.  You keep stressing things that can be applied equally to religious and secular thinking.
Well, no...

Things like this: Aren't any truer for secular ethics than they are for religious ethics.
Except there isn't religious justification. There has been plenty of secular justification in the form of economics. Now that may look to religion and try to distort and find something through scripture that has some people at some time having salves, but where the slave morals were different, and even then it wasn't supported... but you don't look at the bible as a non-slave supporter and come away from the bible saying people should own slaves.

Secular ethics... were all for it when it enhanced the empire.


You have a choice as to what your specific moral makeup is.
Unless it disagrees with the larger society, in which case you are crazy or degenerate or some other detestable outcast. That individual morality is only respected if it lines up with the greater society.

As an example, if you are secular, you can decide yourself if divorce fits within the tenets you follow.  If you're a Catholic, you don't believe in divorce, until the Catholic church tells you, Catholics believe divorce is fine.
I'm not catholic, but what I believe they tell you is that you marriage was never valid... not that divorce is fine.

This think about killing says nothing either way about secular or religious ethics.
Actually it does. See quakers and the military.

Christian soldiers/police/nutbags kill just as much as secular soldiers/police/nutbags do.
Is that from the religion, or is that people who look to the religion but still do these things? There is quite a difference between a person who claims a religion doing something, and someone doing something in the name of the religion. You seem to think that anyone who claims a religion is then the embodiment of that religion, and the religion can be judged by that person's actions. That is quite far from the truth.

So how on earth dose this negate secular ethics???
Not "negating" it at all. simply pointing out that as much as you try to pretend secular ethics are a certain way... be nice, be honest, don't kill, blah blah blah... as you yourself said, they are quite dynamic. Don't kill in this situation, but it's encouraged in this other.

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