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« on: May 19, 2017, 06:06PM »

Hello!

Just wondering if any of you have tried both the fancy new Greg Black 1g with the smaller throat and different backbore, and a Giddings Harwood. How do they compare?

I love my Elliott LB M cup M8 setup but there are times where its hard to lock in for me on the low end. The Harwood fixes that but I don't entirely dig the steel and the blow in the upper register isn't as comfortable as my Elliott though I'm sure that's all stuff I could get used to. I haven't tried one of the new 1g's yet so I thought I'd ask!

Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2017, 06:22PM »

I can't compare those two at all. I can't compare mouthpieces made of different materials.
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2017, 06:39PM »

I guess I was wondering about the difference in blow. The sound will of course will be radically different between the two. Spec wise they seem pretty similar on paper...
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2017, 06:50PM »

I have a friend with one. Personally the Harwood feels shallower, and the rim shape isn't really to my liking.

I feel that the GB design is more refined. The sound is much more interesting. 
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2017, 08:28PM »

Have you tried a M9 shank? There is also a M10.

Or keep the M8 but try the XB series?
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2017, 09:11PM »

Will you be at ITF? You can try my GB there if you are.
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2017, 11:04PM »

Have you tried a M9 shank? There is also a M10.

Or keep the M8 but try the XB series?
I've never been a big fan of Doug's 9 shanks. The 9 shanks just never seemed to work as well as the 8 shanks for me.

How is his M10 shank? I've inquired Doug about that but I haven't heard back about it.

I'll have to check out his XB mouthpieces once I hit the lottery Evil

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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2017, 07:26AM »

There are too many differences between these mouthpieces to make a simple comparison other than which one you like better.

I would also recommend trying the Doug Elliott XB series. If you find the Harwood difficult in the upper register, you will probably find the Greg Black difficult too. That can be gotten used to, for sure, but you have something you already know and like - why not go for a small change rather than a big one?
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2017, 07:49AM »

I haven't tried the M10 yet. I'm in such a happy place with my M9 that I don't think anything needs adjusting other than my own playing.  Evil
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2017, 11:27AM »

A friend of mine just switched from a Hammond 21XB(I think those were the letters) to an Elliott XB116/M/M10 and really likes it (honeymoon period over!). He just won some military audition with it, I believe Division II.  That doesn't mean the mouthpiece will work for you but others are definitely having success with it!
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2017, 06:15PM »

He just won some military audition with it, I believe Division II. 

What does that mean?
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2017, 08:31AM »

What does that mean?

To be perfectly honest, I'm not 100% sure. Military bands were described to me as having three divisions I, II, and III with I being local, II being regional, and III being national but I don't know if those are official designations.
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