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« on: May 25, 2017, 06:59AM »

As a lot of you guys know I have been working with Greg to make a 1 5/16G mouthpiece. Well it is done and I was sending one back to him to use as a template for the rest. It went missing via USPS. Well someone found it on eBay.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Greg-Black-Musical-Instrument-Mouth-Piece-/112418504364?hash=item1a2caa3eac%3Ag%3A2dEAAOSwX61ZJhQ0&_trkparms=pageci%253Adea4ce04-4149-11e7-bec6-74dbd180b82d%257Cparentrq%253A3fb000cc15c0a86004309306ffffd1fc%257Ciid%253A1
That is the listing. Now my question... what do I do next? I have sent a message to the seller and just asked for the mouthpiece back and that I will buy it back if necessary. I also contacted eBay and all they can do is shut down his account until he gives it back to me. Should I do that?
Or should I just win the auction even if it means paying full price again?
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2017, 07:15AM »

I'm not an attorney, but this sounds like a complicated legal question. I'm sure ebay and USPS have some complicated rules and regs about possession and proof, which could get messy and drag the whole thing out...

However, you can ask yourself: What is most important to you? Do you want the mouthpiece returned so you and Greg can continue collaborating on this project, or do you want the person who is selling the mpc to pay some money (have some pain inflicted) for the trouble that you've experienced (your suffering)? 
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2017, 07:29AM »

Report it to the police.

I assume you have some correspondence about it between Greg Black and yourself. And there's the small detail of the piece having your name stamped on it...
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2017, 07:42AM »

Yeah I just want it back. I don't care if the guy gets in trouble. Next step is the police!
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2017, 07:52AM »

Report the theft to the police, file a report, and have an officer report the item stolen to eBay. They will shut down auctions immediately when reported by law enforcement.

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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2017, 07:52AM »

Ebay offered to shut down the auction. That doesn't help me get the piece back.
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2017, 07:57AM »

At least this thing *literally* has your name on it.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2017, 08:18AM »

If you want to avoid a hassle, you might just try to bid on and win the auction. I know that seems very unfair to you to have to spend money on a piece that was stolen from you, but you may just want to get it back quickly and be done with this whole thing. Having eBay end the auction won't gaurantee that you'll get your item back anyway. Trying to contact the seller about doing a buy it now instead of the auction might work (if you offer enough) but the item already has been bid on and the seller may not want to end the auction. Guess you could always try though.

Just my two cents.

Good luck getting it back!

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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2017, 08:21AM »

^that is my thinking...
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2017, 08:28AM »

You could potentially win it and then file a claim with PayPal or something but as I mentioend on facebook, law enforcement might have a less underhanded way of dealing with the situation.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2017, 09:44AM »

PayPal was never involved though...
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2017, 09:51AM »

I mean if you decide to purchase it from this guy.
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2017, 10:04AM »

Might help to remind the seller he's complicit in the receipt of stolen property...with a case number and contact information for the local officer handling your case.
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2017, 10:52AM »

You've invested a lot of time in this mouthpiece and thus it' worth much more than the nominal price?
I would buy it in order to secure it and THEN take legal action. If you can prove that it was stolen from you, you should be able to get your money back.
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2017, 11:23AM »

I may be alone in this but I'll say it anyway.

I've received items in the mail before where the packaging was all but obliterated.  Seriously, all that was left was a sad remnant of an envelope that happened to have the address and postage.  Contents lost and/or destroyed.  The USPS auctions off items that are undeliverable, unclaimed, damaged, and claim-paid. 

All you KNOW right now is that the person who has your mouthpiece is not the person you sent it to.  That doesn't mean it's stolen - at least not by the ebay seller.  If you suspect that it was stolen and want to pursue that route, file a police report.

Otherwise, just win the auction.

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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2017, 12:17PM »

Bad part about it: I bid on it, in hopes it was legit, before I knew it was the missing piece.
From here, you can't do a lot. Legally, possession is 9/10ths. It sucks.
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2017, 12:35PM »

According to eBay they can cancel the auction and the person's account until they return the mouthpiece to me. That being said.. that doesn't guarantee that I get it back. So I am just going to buy the mouthpiece and hope no one snipes it from me.
It is unfair that I have to buy something that is mine but hey it happens.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2017, 12:48PM »

It is. Did he offer you a buy it now deal? It's amazing people sell items that aren't theirs. Morals have gone.
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2017, 01:20PM »

The buy it now was gone by the time I saw it. I tried contacting the seller to see if I can just give him a large finders fees for it.
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2017, 01:49PM »

Just make sure that you leave negative feedback and make it clear that the seller is dealing in stolen goods if the 'piece is lost for good.
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