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« on: Jun 06, 2017, 07:12PM »

There is a very interesting situation developing in the UK, with a General Election coming up this Thursday. Certainly the recent terrorism events in the UK have tended to put the election a bit in the background but now people are beginning to think about it again. Far from being a lay down misere for Theresa May and the Conservatives, there is now a lot of support for Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, who has some very traditional Labour plans:

What Labour is offering:

* Scrap student tuition fees
* Nationalise water, rail and energy companies  Good!
* Increase taxes for the rich
* Hire 10,000 new police officers, 3,000 new firefighters
* Ban zero-hours contracts
* Bring the Royal Mail back into public ownership  Good!

As an ex employee of the old British Railways, I am very much in favour of renationalising public services and I just wish the Australian Labor party would get some similar plans. However, it seems that it is the newly registered young that are helping to re popularise Labour due to the plans to scrap student tuition fees. 


What the Conservatives are offering:

* Increased spending on the National Health Service  Good!
* Scrapping winter fuel allowances for wealthier pensioners
* Including the value of the family home as part of the cost of aged care
* More money for schools  Good!
* A big cut in net migration

A couple of those items look very Labour orientated anyway.

I am just wondering what influence Brexit will have on the voting and how voters will be able to express their viewpoint if they are not in favour of Theresa May's acceptance of the original referendum?
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« Reply #1 on: Jun 06, 2017, 07:51PM »

Mrs. May is taking heat for cutting police and counter-terrorism in her previous cabinet position. And rightly so.

Anything but a strong Conservative majority would complicate the Brexit process. That outcome seems unlikely.

And why the terrorists will fail to intimidate the Brits:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-****-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 07, 2017, 05:30AM »


And why the terrorists will fail to intimidate the Brits:


Hitler dropped 10,000 bombs a day on them and it just made them stronger. THe IRA made ISIS look like school kids. The Brits recognize this "terror" as the existential mosquito bite that it is.
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 07, 2017, 03:45PM »

'Today is the day' and Theresa May's Conservatives apparently maintain a narrow lead over the opposition Labour Party. However, the opinion polls this week have been all over the place and I do not think there is a clear picture of the likely result. So much for Theresa May's snap election which was supposed to deliver a landslide majority. Yeah, RIGHT.

Whoever wins will have to negotiate a successful divorce from the European Union that does not harm the economy. Also the Brits will demand the government stop the terror attacks. Add to that the deficit and debt issues, health, education, defence et al. It might be that whoever loses can be excused for breathing a sigh of relief. :D
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 07, 2017, 04:04PM »

I think it is optimistic to think the divorce will be 'successful'!
The much vilified Corbyn (and I was no fan) has run a much better campaign than expected, given the disfunctional Labour party. Theresa May thought she would grab an opportunity to smash Labour and UKIP, but it may have have backfired; she is no campaigner. We'll have to see if she gets a bigger majority or not - she didn't need to call an election.
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 08, 2017, 10:09AM »

Will be watching with interest in the results tonight/tomorrow.
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« Reply #6 on: Jun 08, 2017, 10:33AM »

The Independent says that final polls predict the largest Tory majority since Margaret Thatcher crushed Labour and Michael Foot in 1983.

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« Reply #7 on: Jun 08, 2017, 03:11PM »

Looks like that Tory Majority isn't happening.

It's interesting watching some man-on-the-street interviews with voters. They don't have that the same seething rage that US voters tend to have.
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« Reply #8 on: Jun 08, 2017, 03:47PM »

No, these aren't people caught by paparazzi while walking the cat, these are British MP candidates.

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« Reply #9 on: Jun 08, 2017, 03:49PM »

No, these aren't people caught by paparazzi while walking the cat, these are British MP candidates.



And your point is?
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« Reply #10 on: Jun 08, 2017, 04:48PM »

And your point is?

I'm somewhat surprised that the press coordinator of a candidate for national office has not presented the media with a better photo.
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« Reply #11 on: Jun 08, 2017, 05:33PM »

I'm disappointed that there are no votes for the Silly Party this year.

However, I like that every constituency seems to have a slogan, like "It's happening in Halton!" or "The Brighter Borough" (Wandsworth).
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« Reply #12 on: Jun 08, 2017, 07:21PM »

Lo, the Loony Party candidate...





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« Reply #13 on: Jun 08, 2017, 07:43PM »

The latest news I am getting is that Theresa May's Tories on track to win only 322 seats which is short of the majority she needs. She may have to form a coalition government. The silly decision to have a general election will now place Brexit talks in jeopardy and cause turmoil in British domestic politics.

I suppose another scenario is that Labour might just get enough votes to form a coalition government. Good!
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« Reply #14 on: Jun 08, 2017, 07:49PM »

If May loses is it possible to halt the Brexit or to call for another referendum?

My guess is that EU would probably prefer they stay in; Brexit becomes quite complex from both sides.
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« Reply #15 on: Jun 08, 2017, 08:06PM »

If May loses is it possible to halt the Brexit or to call for another referendum?


As i watch the coverage, the British pundits seem to be saying this...

- May has gotten an un-dorsement to her call for a stronger endorsement for Brexit. She was really dumb to call this election.
- No one is saying Brexit still won't happen, just that the "hard Brexit" May wanted may not happen.
- The good showing for Corbyn and Labour clouds the issue because he ran on a semi-Brexit platform, not anti-Brexit.
- "No one" wants another referendum.  They hated the last one.
- May was a lousy, negative campaigner
- Corbyn surprised everyone by being not insane and being a positive campaigner
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« Reply #16 on: Jun 08, 2017, 08:42PM »

The Conservative strategy was to scoop up former UK Independence Party voters. It would be logical for pro-Brexit UKIP voters to go Conservative, especially in constituencies where the UKIP has intentionally not fielded a candidate in order to help the Conservative candidate.

However, that seems not to be happening.  Very often, the shift in UKIP vote since the last election has gone to Labour or Lib Dem. Don't know



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« Reply #17 on: Jun 08, 2017, 09:07PM »

Traditional British teeth...

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« Reply #18 on: Jun 08, 2017, 10:21PM »

There's some talk about the "progressives", ie Labour and Fallon's Liberal Democratic forming an alliance of sorts and forming government.

Mrs. May totally cacked this. Sidling up to Trump and being Home Secretary and eliminating 20,000 police (given the terrorist attacks in Manchester and London) obviously didn't help. Having all  the charisma of a female John Major didn't help either.

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« Reply #19 on: Jun 09, 2017, 06:00AM »

It looks like the final total is a loss of 14 seats and the majority. What I have seen is that a larger than usual turnout of younger voters is what did in the Conservatives. The angry, old white guys are losing everywhere since the idiocy of Breaxit and our last election made it so obvious where there agenda lies. IF we can get young voters to turn out here in the US it may be we can swing the pendulum as well.
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