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« Reply #20 on: Jun 26, 2017, 06:57AM »

Lol, 'sooopuh Bb'

I guarantee you that that note is different from 0c. Your example is talking about a theoretically perfect harmonic and doesn't take into account any variables (like an imperfect player).
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« Reply #21 on: Jun 26, 2017, 06:57AM »

Quote from: savio link=topic=100713.msg1200426#msg1200426

Above the high Bb i play all notes in first when i do lip slurs. Strange enough I get up to F but doesn't have much control up there. But all you tenor players, isn't it possible to make Bb, C, D Eb, F, all in first?


To me Bb, C, D, Eb slots in first-ish position. D is at the bumpers and Eb is a flat 1st. Both Bb and C are a bit away from the bumpers, but this is me and I play long positions. To me high F is better on a very flat 2:nd but can be played in first position.

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« Reply #22 on: Jun 26, 2017, 07:08AM »

Lol, 'sooopuh Bb'

I guarantee you that that note is different from 0c. Your example is talking about a theoretically perfect harmonic and doesn't take into account any variables (like an imperfect player).

Soooooooo suuuuuuper... "Double", if you prefer. Or "squeezy". Or "Hey, that's low Bb to me, get with the programme, wuss".

I'll remind what the thread question is:
What are the tuning tendencies of partials above high Bb?
The OP is explicitly asking about the theory.
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« Reply #23 on: Jun 26, 2017, 08:24AM »

Part of the problem is that manufacturers generally try to get all the partials to work from pedals to high Bb, which is considered a "normal" range for a tenor trombone.  The farther you get above high Bb, the more the compensations built into the horn start to break down.  The compensations are different for different makers (and sometimes are build dependent) so while we can generally use the same positions from high Bb to F above, the stratosphere is anybody's guess.

My suggestion?  Put in a French Horn mouthpiece and stick your hand in the bell Evil Evil Evil
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« Reply #24 on: Jun 30, 2017, 10:44AM »

Bruce, you're not too far off the mark with the french horn approach, the most secure high D on my instrument is with the trigger depressed! Maybe I should try reaching down the bell and see if I can pull a better note out...
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« Reply #25 on: Jun 30, 2017, 12:52PM »


What are the tuning tendencies of partials above high Bb?
The OP is explicitly asking about the theory.

The D in 1st can often be flat..
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