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« on: Jul 05, 2017, 07:16PM »

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449235/cnn-vs-reddit-user-trump-wrestling-meme

This is a bit concerning.
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 05, 2017, 08:04PM »

The guy said he made his anti-semitic, anti-media, etc. posts to see how much attention he'd get but now it's a violation of his rights to pay attention to him!

No, I don't buy it.


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« Reply #2 on: Jul 06, 2017, 07:38AM »

CNN has been outed as a party affiliation organization for the lefty demos, throwing whatever journalistic credentials they ever had over the fence like John Kerry through his medals.

Good riddance.
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 06, 2017, 07:53AM »

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CNN has been outed as a party affiliation organization for the lefty demos, throwing whatever journalistic credentials they ever had over the fence like John Kerry through his medals.

Good riddance.

What news source is credible now in your opinion?
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 06, 2017, 07:59AM »

Yes, CNN has violated a rule of journalism that doesn't seem to have existed prior to this.
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 06, 2017, 08:18AM »

Yes, CNN has violated a rule of journalism that doesn't seem to have existed prior to this.

I didn't know that not blackmailing a fifteen year old was a rule that anyone needed to explain.

But then again it is CNN.
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 06, 2017, 08:18AM »

Yes, CNN has violated a rule of journalism that doesn't seem to have existed prior to this.

"So CNN did what any respectable journalistic outlet would do, basically blackmailed him(the person who created the wrestler meme). Of course Kaczynski said he wasn’t blackmailing, but the line “CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change,” seemed an awful lot like something Michael Corleone would make in an offer someone couldn’t refuse."

Of course, this standard is a 'new' issue. (For lefty newsites maybe)
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 06, 2017, 08:31AM »

"So CNN did what any respectable journalistic outlet would do, basically blackmailed him(the person who created the wrestler meme). Of course Kaczynski said he wasn’t blackmailing, but the line “CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change,” seemed an awful lot like something Michael Corleone would make in an offer someone couldn’t refuse."

Of course, this standard is a 'new' issue. (For lefty newsites maybe)

Oh.  You mean Breitbart and Fox do this already? Evil
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 06, 2017, 08:44AM »

Oh.  You mean Breitbart and Fox do this already? Evil

I'm not aware of Fox blackmailing posters who post things they disagree with.

Isn't Breitbart just a web site, as opposed to a cable network like CNN? Still, have they blackmailed anyone?

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« Reply #9 on: Jul 06, 2017, 10:25AM »

So,

The media is no longer reporting the news but becoming reality television. So much for journalistic integrity.

Blackmail is dirty business.
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 06, 2017, 05:24PM »

Funny, CNN WOW!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvXmzWFlzM

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« Reply #11 on: Jul 06, 2017, 05:28PM »

The guy said he made his anti-semitic, anti-media, etc. posts to see how much attention he'd get but now it's a violation of his rights to pay attention to him!

No, I don't buy it.




What is anti-semitic about a wrestling meme?
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 06, 2017, 06:38PM »

What is anti-semitic about a wrestling meme?

That's not the only thing he did.  There are other tweets and posts that are anti-semitic and racist.  Not to mention white-supremacist.
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 06, 2017, 08:47PM »

"So CNN did what any respectable journalistic outlet would do, basically blackmailed him(the person who created the wrestler meme). Of course Kaczynski said he wasn’t blackmailing, but the line “CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change,” seemed an awful lot like something Michael Corleone would make in an offer someone couldn’t refuse."

Of course, this standard is a 'new' issue. (For lefty newsites maybe)
That's not blackmail.

Oh, I forgot the obligatory, "It's a nothing burger. LOL."
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« Reply #14 on: Jul 06, 2017, 09:00PM »

Two points...

First, you don't have a right to privacy for your public actions. The courts found that after someone was shown doing some sort of regrettable behavior in the crowd of a televised sporting event.

Trump Troll (a more polite label than his actual internet handle) was posting his thoughtless comments in a public forum and has no basis to expect that anyone else, including CNN, must pretend he never did them.


Second... blackmail? No.

Here's blackmail in the U.S.:

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Trump troll hasn't done anything illegal as far as I can tell.  Even if CNN did threaten him, the thing they would have been threatening to reveal doesn't meet the violation of law element of blackmail. Revealing that someone did something legal isn't a crime.

And... CNN wouldn't be getting any money or other valuable for it, just revenge.

Revenge is not a crime.


No one on the right was crying "blackmail" when Trump threatened to sue CNN for stories he didn't like. It's all false umbrage and crocodile tears.



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« Reply #15 on: Jul 06, 2017, 09:44PM »

I didn't know that not blackmailing a fifteen year old was a rule that anyone needed to explain. 

The "fifteen year old" thing is just a lie made up by Donald Trump Jr.

Donald Trump Jr. tweets false fact about Reddit user behind controversial CNN meme

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« Reply #16 on: Jul 06, 2017, 10:26PM »

Stop trying to confuse everyone with your pesky facts.  ;-)
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« Reply #17 on: Jul 07, 2017, 04:05AM »

Stop trying to confuse everyone with your pesky facts.  ;-)

It is the pesky ones though. That's important.
 
People tend to like the ones that are friendly to them.
 
Real adults tend to manage both, at least more or less.
 
The full grown infants shut down the pesky ones though.
 
They're just too fragile, and don't seem to know better.
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« Reply #18 on: Jul 07, 2017, 05:04AM »

What's more telling?

That CNN investigated a story that involved them and found someone publicly posting quite nasty things behind a thin veil of a fake name on the internet?

Or that the POTUS found and re-tweeted content provided by that same anti-semetic, racist, white-supremacist douche because he liked it?
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 07, 2017, 07:27AM »

What's more telling?

That CNN investigated a story that involved them and found someone publicly posting quite nasty things behind a thin veil of a fake name on the internet?

Or that the POTUS found and re-tweeted content provided by that same anti-semetic, racist, white-supremacist douche because he liked it?

Yet, while you guys are marching what you think is a victory march, CNN didn't identify the actual person who created the meme. LOL!

How funny is that? Another FAKE NEWS by CNN.

CNN stands by its rights to not ID anonymous sources when trying to hurt Trump, but threatens to ID a wrongfully accused anonymous source for a meme negative to CNN.

What's the harm you say? No money involved, so it's not blackmail, but by ID'ng an anonymous source could threaten this person's life. CNN doesn't care and neither do most of you guys.

Go ahead and defend this behavior if you want to. It's obvious to everyone that CNN is not a news organization anymore. It can be categorized with the comedy channel. LOL!

 
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« Reply #20 on: Jul 07, 2017, 07:42AM »

Yet, while you guys are marching what you think is a victory march, CNN didn't identify the actual person who created the meme. LOL!

How funny is that? Another FAKE NEWS by CNN.

CNN stands by its rights to not ID anonymous sources when trying to hurt Trump, but threatens to ID a wrongfully accused anonymous source for a meme negative to CNN.

What's the harm you say? No money involved, so it's not blackmail, but by ID'ng an anonymous source could threaten this person's life. CNN doesn't care and neither do most of you guys.

Go ahead and defend this behavior if you want to. It's obvious to everyone that CNN is not a news organization anymore. It can be categorized with the comedy channel. LOL!

Wait, what? Since they didn't publicly name the a--hole, he doesn't exist and the story is fake news? Are you sniffing sudafed over there?

And if posting such racist bigoted rants would threaten his life if his name was found out... well, he's an adult man. Maybe he shouldn't be doing that? Or at least be prepared for the consequences. You know.... like the republicans advocate, take personal responsibility for his posts and actions.



I still wonder about the POTUS dredging the scum of the internet to find things he finds amusing, and then sharing them openly on his own account...
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 07, 2017, 10:54AM »

"So CNN did what any respectable journalistic outlet would do, basically blackmailed him(the person who created the wrestler meme). Of course Kaczynski said he wasn’t blackmailing, but the line “CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change,” seemed an awful lot like something Michael Corleone would make in an offer someone couldn’t refuse."

Of course, this standard is a 'new' issue. (For lefty newsites maybe)

Yeah, CNN 'hopes' they don't have to release any names. The guy who posted it better hope there are no records of his conversations. /s

I don't like CNN's response, but the Michael Corleone-esque threats were absolutely started by the President - 'Kick them out, I'll defend you in court' 'Comey better hope there are no tapes' 'I hope you can let this go'
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« Reply #22 on: Jul 07, 2017, 11:34AM »

You Guys just don't understand.
 
All that stuff you just said ... no go.
 
It doesn't affirm the existing views, so it's false.
 
That's the standard in play here--the only actual standard.
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« Reply #23 on: Jul 07, 2017, 12:19PM »

Trolls should be outed.  It's the only way to keep them at bay.
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« Reply #24 on: Jul 07, 2017, 01:40PM »

Yet, while you guys are marching what you think is a victory march, CNN didn't identify the actual person who created the meme. LOL!

How funny is that? Another FAKE NEWS by CNN.

CNN stands by its rights to not ID anonymous sources when trying to hurt Trump, but threatens to ID a wrongfully accused anonymous source for a meme negative to CNN.

What's the harm you say? No money involved, so it's not blackmail, but by ID'ng an anonymous source could threaten this person's life. CNN doesn't care and neither do most of you guys.

Go ahead and defend this behavior if you want to. It's obvious to everyone that CNN is not a news organization anymore. It can be categorized with the comedy channel. LOL!

 
Wow, you're just not getting it. Journalists have been using unnamed sources ever since there was journalism. We probably wouldn't ever have ANY revelations in the press without them. Nixon probably never would have gotten caught without unnamed sources.

These sources are known to the reporter, but the reporter agrees not to reveal the name of the source in exchange for getting the information. This is nothing at all like Han....solo. He is an internet troll who posted racist remarks. You have no legal right to privacy when you make comments in public forums. It is not illegal to discover the name of a person who posts public comments. CNN had no agreement with him to withhold his identity. He did not provide any information to CNN. CNN simply said they would not publish his name at this time because he apologized for his behavior and asked that his name not be revealed. That's more than he deserves in my opinion, but that's the decision the reporter made. CNN has no legal obligation to keep that persons' name confidential.

I don't know how you can mix up two situations that are so obviously dissimilar.
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« Reply #25 on: Jul 07, 2017, 01:46PM »

And as for this supposed duty you think the press has to not reveal the names of people who do bad things, because they might get death threats... well that's just silly. Newspapers publish the names of criminals and people who do embarrassing things in public ALL THE TIME. CNN didn't invent that. And stop calling this guy an "anonymous source", because he is not.
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« Reply #26 on: Jul 07, 2017, 05:12PM »

And as for this supposed duty you think the press has to not reveal the names of people who do bad things, because they might get death threats... well that's just silly.

They threatened and intimidated him hoping to cause him to change his behavior, which incidentally is protected free speech. They are not the law. Well, CNN got caught and all this is just taking them down as a credible news source. Actually, they have been outed for the party hacks that they are.

Good riddance!

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« Reply #27 on: Jul 07, 2017, 06:02PM »

They threatened and intimidated him hoping to cause him to change his behavior, which incidentally is protected free speech. They are not the law. Well, CNN got caught and all this is just taking them down as a credible news source. Actually, they have been outed for the party hacks that they are.

Good riddance!


What a load of hooey. He deserves to be outed. Don't say stupid stuff if you don't want it tied to your name. It is only intimidating because he knows how bad it was. Shows about 25x the self awareness that you do.

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« Reply #28 on: Jul 07, 2017, 09:20PM »

They threatened and intimidated him hoping to cause him to change his behavior, which incidentally is protected free speech. They are not the law. Well, CNN got caught and all this is just taking them down as a credible news source. Actually, they have been outed for the party hacks that they are.

Good riddance!
Goodness! So then the CNN reporter has been arrested for blackmail, I take it. Oh wait, no he wasn't. Know why? Because he didn't blackmail anyone. CNN has the right to say the troll's real name if they want to; that is ALSO protected speech. You see, free speech doesn't just apply to racist right wing blowhards, it applies to everyone. CNN didn't "get caught", because they haven't done anything illegal.

You're obviously trying to advance a narrative about this that you got from some silly right wing blog. Problem is that it's nonsense.
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« Reply #29 on: Jul 07, 2017, 09:43PM »

To some people, Fox is considered a credible news source lol
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« Reply #30 on: Jul 11, 2017, 05:23PM »

They threatened and intimidated him hoping to cause him to change his behavior, which incidentally is protected free speech. They are not the law. Well, CNN got caught and all this is just taking them down as a credible news source. Actually, they have been outed for the party hacks that they are.

Good riddance!

People are regularly 'outed' as the source of racist comments. There's nothing wrong with it, and if it's illegal, show me the law.

Sometimes they turn out to work for the public, or work in a position where their comments are deleterious to their company, and they lose their job. The solution to this is to not say things you're ashamed of.
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« Reply #31 on: Jul 11, 2017, 05:37PM »

They threatened and intimidated him hoping to cause him to change his behavior, which incidentally is protected free speech.

OK, it's CNN's free speech to expose him. Donald Trump made him news, made him important. CNN has a right to report news.

And although, it's been noted already, "right to free speech" isn't a right to anonymity. It just isn't. If you do stupid things in public you have to accept that the public may know.

It's like your posts here. You have no right to demand no one talk about them. You'd be laughed out of court if you tried to stop them.




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Good riddance!

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« Reply #32 on: Jul 12, 2017, 05:36AM »

People are regularly 'outed' as the source of racist comments.

Yes! people are outed all the time. CNN didn't out this guy though. Did they? No.

They threatened him(I call it blackmail). And, as it turns out, it was the wrong guy. They just found some jerk who was posting vile stuff and claimed he was the one who did the meme.

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« Reply #33 on: Jul 12, 2017, 11:39AM »

If you're so worried about fake news, why didn't it bother you that Hannity continued flogging the Seth Rich conspiracy tale long after it was shown to be a hoax?

Or that the President himself repeated Judge Nap's tall tale that British intelligence wiretapped Trump?

You're trying to make a big deal out of this, and it's not. The writer was simply saying he had not promised the man anonymity. Your habit of adding little 'facts', like saying they threatened him, or that he's 15 years old, simply reflects that you'll say anything to make the story better. Kinda like Trump.

You're trying mighty hard to turn this into something.
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« Reply #34 on: Jul 12, 2017, 10:59PM »



They threatened him(I call it blackmail).


I don't think you know what blackmail is.
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« Reply #35 on: Jul 13, 2017, 05:40AM »

I don't think you know what blackmail is.
Well, at least he is consistent with not knowing how to use terms in current news stories.

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« Reply #36 on: Jul 13, 2017, 05:50AM »

I don't think you know what blackmail is.

Not at all the case.
 
"Blackmail" is a label one can use to feel validated in certain unreasonable beliefs.
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« Reply #37 on: Jul 15, 2017, 01:24PM »

What's the harm you say? No money involved, so it's not blackmail, but by ID'ng an anonymous source could threaten this person's life. CNN doesn't care and neither do most of you guys.
So "outing" someone is a terrible thing to do, and we're all heartless and insensitive for not decrying it? But let me guess: if Trump does it to hundreds of voters, you're OK with it, right?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/14/white-house-releases-sensitive-personal-information-of-voters-worried-about-their-sensitive-personal-information/?utm_term=.5cda0050f493
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« Reply #38 on: Jul 31, 2017, 06:13PM »

CNN reporting this or investigating?

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/19/world/clinton-approves-a-plan-to-give-aid-to-north-koreans.html

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« Reply #39 on: Jul 31, 2017, 06:16PM »

When one of these Nork Nukes Hits we can trace it's origin...Clinton 90's?
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« Reply #40 on: Jul 31, 2017, 07:25PM »

When one of these Nork Nukes Hits we can trace it's origin...Clinton 90's?

I'm sure a lot of people will manage that perception, in order to focus on their real enemies.
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« Reply #41 on: Aug 01, 2017, 09:55AM »

When one of these Nork Nukes Hits we can trace it's origin...Clinton 90's?

That's nearly the opposite of the truth. At the time of the agreement, North Korea already had a nuclear program and was suspected of having nuclear warheads. The agreement was for Korea to dismantle its nuclear program and submit to inspections of existing sites, in exchange for light-water nuclear plants, which are resistant to weaponization. This was not a unilateral contribution by the US but was part of a consortium of nations that had an even greater risk from a nuclear North Korea than we do. South Korea would have paid for 50% of the construction costs for the new plants.

The plan began to collapse when the GOP took over Congress and reneged on portions of the plan, which they viewed as 'appeasement'. The North Koreans became belligerent and started cheating on the treaty, which eventually collapsed, leading us to the rotten spot we are today.

The North Koreans' uranium enrichment program was separate from the treaty and went on in secret and in violation of the treaty. We didn't 'pay for their nukes'.

What's missing here is a sense that we have only unsavory choices with respect to Korea, then and especially now. Clinton was anticipating the awful spot we're in now and tried to prevent it. However unpalatable it may have been to appease the North Koreans, it's at least possible that if we had abided by the treaty, slowly lifted sanctions against North Korea and established diplomatic relations with them, we'd be in a better spot today, It certainly couldn't be much worse.

People who look at complex issues and come away only with Ha Ha this makes Clinton look bad! are boneheads.
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« Reply #42 on: Aug 01, 2017, 11:23AM »

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People who look at complex issues and come away only with Ha Ha this makes Clinton look bad! are boneheads.


Isn't nearly everybody on this Forum a "bonehead" in some fashion or another? Evil :-P
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« Reply #43 on: Aug 01, 2017, 06:55PM »

Isn't nearly everybody on this Forum a "bonehead" in some fashion or another? Evil :-P

Most of you are.
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« Reply #44 on: Aug 01, 2017, 09:55PM »

Of course, this standard is a 'new' issue. (For lefty newsites maybe)
Yeah, the right-wingers have been doing it forever.
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