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« on: Jul 12, 2017, 03:14PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/07/11/the-many-talents-of-donald-trump-jr-s-attorney-a-juilliard-trained-trombonist-and-lawyer-for-mobsters/?sw_bypass=true&utm_term=.896c1273d407

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« Reply #1 on: Jul 12, 2017, 07:12PM »

I don't see it that way. Dude sounds like he's pretty good at his job.
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 12, 2017, 07:29PM »

Nah - Just the reputation of bass trombones   Evil
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 12, 2017, 08:20PM »

IMO, it is time to cancel his Trombone Brotherhood membership

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« Reply #4 on: Jul 12, 2017, 08:27PM »

I've played with him.  He's a good player.

Don't forget, Ted Kaczynski the Unabomber, and the Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho were both trombone players.

Does that make it three strikes?
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 12, 2017, 10:16PM »

His job as a lawyer is to defend and advocate for his client no matter what his personal feelings may be-- everyone has the right to representation, saints and scumbags alike.

I think it's neat he's a highly successful lawyer and also a good trombone player. That takes some serious time management and a healthy work/life balance. I work with lawyers as a consultant and I barely have enough time to practice!
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 13, 2017, 04:09AM »

Sometimes we play gigs that make us feel embarrassed to be seen in public.  But we do them anyway because we are professionals and cashing the check is important to our livelihood.    We know other trombone players might laugh at us or talk bad about us for taking the gig but we don't care because it's a gig.     Perhaps being a lawyer is the same.   
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 13, 2017, 04:58AM »

I have a lawyer friend who specializes in speeding and DUIs. 

He gets great results, staying within the rules but taking advantage of all of them, for people who I think are a menace.  They are entitled to a fair hearing under the law and a vigorous defense, and he ensures they get it, even though I often don't agree with the results. 
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 13, 2017, 06:11AM »

If you're worried he's keeping mobsters out of prison, the article indicates he's lost a fair number cases.

Sometimes the criminal is a criminal and there's no way to put a good face on that. (sad trombone sound)


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    “Donald Trump Jr. is being represented by a Mafia lawyer who has defended four New York crime families. So now the lawyer has updated his résumé to say he’s defended five New York crime families.” — CONAN O’BRIEN

    “Donald Jr. hired a lawyer yesterday. This lawyer in the past represented members of the Mafia, which actually makes sense. Because the Trumps are like the Corleone family — if all of them were Fredo.” — JIMMY KIMMEL
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 13, 2017, 06:32AM »

If you're worried he's keeping mobsters out of prison, the article indicates he's lost a fair number cases.

Sometimes the criminal is a criminal and there's no way to put a good face on that. (sad trombone sound)


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Stop comparing Trumps to Fredo!  His casinos didn't go bankrupt.

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« Reply #10 on: Jul 13, 2017, 06:34AM »

As if the public could think any less of us than they already do?
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 13, 2017, 06:39AM »

Stop comparing Trumps to Fredo! 


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As the hapless Don Jr. — the Gob Bluth or Fredo Corleone of a family conspicuously short on Michaels — protested in his own defense...
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 13, 2017, 06:44AM »

It is my belief that trombone players are comprised of all different shapes, sizes, heritages, etc - with all of the personality types - and we are no better than any other instrument player or anyone else at all, although some of us may wish to think so. But yes, it is unfortunate if someone turns out particularly bad and I think it is because we might feel that we are somehow judged by the collective company we keep. In an ideal world, a group of people should never be judged or stereotyped by the worst of them. So I refuse to subscribe to the notion that our "trombone reputation takes a hit". Media can make anything out of anything they wish. We don't have to subscribe to it.

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« Reply #13 on: Jul 13, 2017, 07:13AM »

So I refuse to subscribe to the notion that our "trombone reputation takes a hit".

...Geezer

Geezer.............sigh...............just what do you think our reputation is now?  How in the world is it going to take a hit???????????
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« Reply #14 on: Jul 13, 2017, 07:41AM »

... and we are no better than any other instrument player ...
Well, you get to sit with the trumpets after saying that!!
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« Reply #15 on: Jul 13, 2017, 08:13AM »

A bad reputation is better than no reputation Evil
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« Reply #16 on: Jul 13, 2017, 08:31AM »

Lol. If I sat in with the trumpets, I would show them some funk AND how to play loud & proud!

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« Reply #17 on: Jul 13, 2017, 08:54AM »

A bad reputation is better than no reputation Evil

I'm not sure we're seen as "cool." 
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« Reply #18 on: Jul 13, 2017, 09:01AM »

If you're going to practice criminal law, you have the choice of prosecuting or defending. If you're defending, well, you're going to be representing a lot of criminals*. The issue in most criminal law cases is usually whether the prosecution can prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn't mean you have to believe in your client's innocence, only that you're sharp enough to see the gaps in the prosecution's case.

One thing about representing the mob is that the mob has money. They're not on legal aid.

Of course, there's also playing to the jury.

Julliard-trained bass trombonist, prominent NY criminal lawyer. I feel like a failure on both professional fronts! :)


* This reminds me of a saying attributed to Alvin "Kreepy" Karpis. When asked why he robbed banks, he said, "Because that's where they keep the money."
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 16, 2017, 04:45PM »

The recent news on this is that his retainer fee, the up front money, to handle Don Jr's woes was $50,000

That's a lot of Superslick.

Does anyone know how to pronounce "Futerfas"?

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« Reply #20 on: Jul 16, 2017, 05:01PM »

The recent news on this is that his retainer fee, the up front money, to handle Don Jr's woes was $50,000

That's a lot of Superslick.

Does anyone know how to pronounce "Futerfas"?



"Cov-fe-fe"?

Apropos to Fox News "lies, lies, lies", I wonder how many of us in our professional lives could get away with such continuous untruthfulness?
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 16, 2017, 07:21PM »

I understand there are a bunch of lawyer-rats deserting the Trump ship.

The scuttlebutt is "Nixon didn't go to jail for Watergate but a lot of his lawyers did".
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« Reply #22 on: Aug 31, 2017, 01:29PM »

Musicians even trombone players are people some good some bad, I don't see the actions of one Trombone player reflecting badly on the others.  I also realize that everyone, even the guilty, in this country are entitled to a defense and someone has to do the job of defending them.  He's doing his job, and I'm guessing he's probably pretty good at it.
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« Reply #23 on: Aug 31, 2017, 01:57PM »

...found online: 

"To be a defense attorney is to be an instrument that reduces the great imbalance that exists in the relationship between the government and the governed. In defending both the guilty and the innocent, the righteous and the profane, defense attorneys are eternally challenging the State to be fairer, more accurate, and more just."

I believe any of us would be grateful for a system that demands a defense for the accused if we should ever find ourselves unfairly accused of a crime.

Search Google for Blackstone's Formulation or Blackstone's Ratio.  Again...you may disagree...until you are unjustly accused...just sayin'
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« Reply #24 on: Aug 31, 2017, 02:02PM »

You tend to get the best justice you can afford.

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