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« Reply #20 on: Oct 23, 2017, 09:03AM »

I've said it before. The site needs a professional management. Moderators do a great job here but the owner is not very interested. If he has health problems and really OWNS the forum he should sell it. It could be partly commercial and partly voluntary. I mean it needs to be a comercial site with ads so maintenence is secured. It must be worth something?

I've said it before; One day the forum and all knowledge and efforts will be gone. It WILL crash and never go up again.
It is obvious there are no redundancy which is a great pity. A site like this should be hosted professionally. There are people who do this for a living. Mirrored databases and several webbserver-instances. There are webbhotels that could host this site for a fee. Not too expenive if it is built on open source technology which I guess is the case.It should not be up to one man with health problems. I vote for a commercial site. If it is not built on business it will die in a crash and if it gets too commercial it will not be as popular, because it is built on volontary contributions in the shape of free shared knowledge, and if the site goes too commercial the moderators probably want to be payed, because then it will just be like any job to them. A good balance is what the site needs where the mods decide. There could be certain sections where ads are alloud and other sections were ads are forbidden. The site only needs enough money to survive.

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« Reply #21 on: Oct 23, 2017, 09:31AM »

I think I have made this suggestion before, but how about charging a small fee for posting classified ads? $10 for each ad or $20 for unlimited for a year would cover the cost of the site. It looks like there are about 5-10 new ads every day.
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« Reply #22 on: Oct 23, 2017, 09:32AM »

I think I have made this suggestion before, but how about charging a small fee for posting classified ads? $10 for each ad or $20 for unlimited for a year would cover the cost of the site. It looks like there are about 5-10 new ads every day.

Great idea!!!

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« Reply #23 on: Oct 23, 2017, 10:50AM »

I think it's just like anything else.  People are willing to donate but not when they don't have confidence in what/who they are donating to.
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« Reply #24 on: Oct 23, 2017, 12:22PM »

It is indeed fine if he makes money on this.  I'd be actually quite a bit more likely to contribute if he was upfront about that.  BUTit needs to be at least a little transparent to get any of my money right now. 

I did think it was *nice* that it was at 69% raised for a year.

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« Reply #25 on: Oct 23, 2017, 03:55PM »

I kicked in $25 last night. Hope it helps, as I spend way too much time on this site.

I chipped in this evening.  I also find this site to be very valuable.

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« Reply #26 on: Oct 26, 2017, 08:12PM »

I chipped in, too.  Because I like and care about the forum.  And the forum has been very good to me!  I have learned a ton and have sold a couple hundred horns here...

But I can honestly say that I would have donated perhaps 5x as much over the past 5 years as I have if the site were well run.  But it is not.
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« Reply #27 on: Oct 26, 2017, 11:12PM »

I saw the announcement on the main page about the server crashing the other day and an all-nighter at the datacenter to get it back online. I was surprised to see this. I figured the site was being hosted somewhere or something.

The goal of this year is $3500. This is $291/month for a year. I don't know what kind of resources the site runs on now other than some old 143GB disks on a 16-year old(?) server, but Linode will do 24GB RAM, 8 cores, 384GB SSD storage, 16TB of traffic for $160/month. This is $1920 for a year. The pricing is straight forward and simple. No trips to the datacenter needed. Digital Ocean has similar plans. Add the cost of the forum software if there is any. Migrate the old site to legacy location on the new server or something for searching.

Maybe this has been recommended before and it's all falling on deaf ears...  Confused

How much community effort would it take to just make a new site?
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« Reply #28 on: Oct 27, 2017, 12:41AM »


How much community effort would it take to just make a new site?

There is a new site here:
http://www.trombonechat.com/index.php?sid=db7b281d89c265a7a7a75c91b07de997

Unfortunately, there is no way to migrate the content of this site, which is where the value of the site is.
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« Reply #29 on: Oct 27, 2017, 06:50AM »

There is a new site here:
http://www.trombonechat.com/index.php?sid=db7b281d89c265a7a7a75c91b07de997

Unfortunately, there is no way to migrate the content of this site, which is where the value of the site is.
Well, that and the value of the commentariat.  That is, the network externalities of all of us coming here and chiming in.

Fun thing that has been discussed before, the historical content cannot (or at least should not) be migrated without the express consent of the owner.  So, moving to the other site is kinda tricky.  Not impossible, but tricky.

I would be quite happy to fund a significant portion of the entire venture, if it were open and transparent.  As it is, I do not contribute because I do not see that transparency.  I know he won't see this Richard, but we are all trying to tell you to take our money... but you have to step out from behind the curtain first.

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« Reply #30 on: Nov 22, 2017, 09:17AM »

Any news? November has almost come and gone.
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« Reply #31 on: Dec 03, 2017, 04:38PM »

Merry December?
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« Reply #32 on: Dec 05, 2017, 02:12PM »


I would be quite happy to fund a significant portion of the entire venture, if it were open and transparent.  As it is, I do not contribute because I do not see that transparency.  I know he won't see this Richard, but we are all trying to tell you to take our money... but you have to step out from behind the curtain first.


He won't. That's why we founded Trombone Chat. There is a long story about how things got to where they are now, but the takeaway is this: Richard will not part with this site. He has had several opportunities and has refused them all.
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« Reply #33 on: Dec 06, 2017, 06:32AM »

He won't. That's why we founded Trombone Chat. There is a long story about how things got to where they are now, but the takeaway is this: Richard will not part with this site. He has had several opportunities and has refused them all.
I know.  I like to keep re-iterating the point.

The offer still stands and people still change their minds sometimes.
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« Reply #34 on: Dec 07, 2017, 09:36PM »

Not a bleepin' chance.  As a professional Linux admin, I've offered my help before and have never received a response.  The phrase "143 GB SCSI" hard disk shouldn't have been uttered for about 8 years now.  Modern cloud hosting services are far better equipped to do the hosting piece of this, and there's no reason to purchase forum software, period.  Use something like Drupal or PHPBB.  Encrypt all traffic with TLS.

TromboneChat it is--Richard, you won't get a cent from me.

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« Reply #35 on: Jan 11, 2018, 06:29AM »

Well, it really does look like the admin took our money and abandoned us again.

Nice.
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« Reply #36 on: Jan 11, 2018, 08:19AM »


BillO writes:

> Well, it really does look like the admin
> took our money and abandoned us again.

This is hardly breaking news.  Based on past experience it appears that the proprietor looks upon this site as his personal piggy bank, which can be tapped whenever he's hard up for cash -- or at least there's solid evidence that has, in fact, been the case in the past.  There's also good reason to believe he has collected far more than the actual cost of operating the site.

Note that this is the second round of fundraising that has promised a software upgrade to the vulnerability riddled eleven-year-old beta test software on which the Forum has always run (it has *never* been upgraded.)  My advice:  don't hold your breath.  It's a mystery to me why folks continue to patronize the place, when there's an alternative at "TromboneChat.com" with endless possibilities for new features and adequate support.


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« Reply #37 on: Jan 11, 2018, 10:28AM »

It's a mystery to me why folks continue to patronize the place, when there's an alternative at "TromboneChat.com" with endless possibilities for new features and adequate support.

As far as I can tell, TromboneChat.com is only a virtual alternative to the Trombone Forum.  Nice as it may be, no one uses it.  The last post appears to have been Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:48 am. 

Using TromboneChat may be a bit like vox clamantis in deserto
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« Reply #38 on: Jan 11, 2018, 11:11AM »

When this site dies trombonechat will be the immediate site to visit. Unfortunately the old threads here will then be lost, and to be frank this site was a lot more interesting when more pros were active. The few who still write here write more sparse, and new pros don't seem very interested in sharing. I miss Mike Suter and other characters like him.

The information could be saved if someone writes a "crawler" to collect and put everything in a new database before this database is lost  Good!

I think the owners ads to collect money scares people off. As a programmer I noticed he did a couple of errors when writing all that read text. One is the ad changed the startpage. Since he did that ad the latest "new" posts does not show up on the bottom as they used to. I don't think he meant to do that. I think it is very strange he has not corrected that error.

The owner may have contributed when building this site, but now the best thing he could do is to sell the site to someone.

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« Reply #39 on: Jan 11, 2018, 11:23AM »

Could everyone interested in using Trombone Chat, by default, start each post here with an "ad" of sorts for that website?

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