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« Reply #40 on: Aug 09, 2017, 09:37AM »

Talk about feathers ruffled!  All the yah yah about the 2B is meaningless now.  The "new" Elkhart ones don't play remotely like the classic HN White or UMI horn, or for that matter one made 2 or 3 years ago.  IMHO neither does the 3B.  They are well made, but the real King magic is gone.  Go get a 2B or 3B from the 50's or 60's and you will never think of the Elkhart h o runs as Kings again.

That has been my experience with them as well...only at trade shows, etc., but still...

I think the newer Shires and Courtois .508s that I have played have been pretty classic King 3B-ish, myself. Maybe a just little...heavier. Apparently not quite there yet at Shires, but a little birdie recently told me that they are working on it...

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« Reply #41 on: Aug 09, 2017, 12:50PM »

I've got an Eastlake King 3B from the mid 90s, and I've always liked it. I did once play an SS 2B that nearly came home with me even though I couldn't afford it at the time. It was magical.

If I was to get a 2B, it would have to be SS. I just find them to sound and feel awesome. The Brass 2B's are just not my thing. Too light. SS 3B on the other hand is almost too heavy.

But, it depends on you. A good 3B is very hard to beat. VERY hard. Just make sure you find a good one.
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« Reply #42 on: Aug 10, 2017, 06:57AM »

I've got an Eastlake King 3B from the mid 90s, and I've always liked it. I did once play an SS 2B that nearly came home with me even though I couldn't afford it at the time. It was magical.

If I was to get a 2B, it would have to be SS. I just find them to sound and feel awesome. The Brass 2B's are just not my thing. Too light. SS 3B on the other hand is almost too heavy.

But, it depends on you. A good 3B is very hard to beat. VERY hard. Just make sure you find a good one.

I agree about the silver 2B and 3B. On a 2B the silver makes the horn sound more "modern"...at least in the NYC-centric sense that I am using the term...but on a 3B (although it is often a glorious sound), sometimes with some people it gets a little too glorious, if you know what I mean.

For section work, that is.

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