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« on: Aug 10, 2017, 09:34PM »

I have a good friend that has been playing the trombone all through high school. He would often tell me that the mouthpiece that came with his trombone hurt his lips to play for extended amounts of time. The mouthpiece he speaks of is a Bach 12C. Any help would be appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: Aug 10, 2017, 10:00PM »

Is it that the mouthpiece feels too small?  Or is there a sharp edge on teh inner rim?

Is it a Chinese copy of a 12C?

The answers to these can help us with a recommendation.
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 10, 2017, 10:19PM »

He just told me whenever he was playing higher notes it hurt his lips to play. And yeah it's a newer mouthpiece. Only says Bach 12C on it. Thank you for your help!
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 11, 2017, 12:40AM »

Is he pressing real hard to play those high notes?  If so that's a good reason why it hurts.  You are only supposed to press hard enough to get a good seal.

Do any of you have different mouthpieces for him to try?  Maybe a Yamaha 45 or Bach 6 1/2 AL?  Different makers have different rim profiles and may hurt less.  Or it could be he needs a larger mouthpiece (but that's going to make the high notes harder to hit).
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 11, 2017, 01:11PM »

Thank you for your help again, and I thought about the Bach 6-1/2AL I'm scared that mouthpiece is too big for him being he plays most often 1st trombone parts. Have you ever tried a Bach 7C trombone mouthpiece or know anything about that one ?
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 11, 2017, 01:17PM »

7C is good.  A little shallower than the 6 1/ AL and around the same size.

He should work on being able to play all the parts; you never know what will happen in the future.
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 11, 2017, 02:44PM »

If the issue is rim profile rather than size, I find the 7C just as uncomfortable as a 12C.  The 11C feels "kinder," if you like.  Better yet are Yamaha, Marcinkiewicz and Doug Elliott rims, for my money (and therefore in ascending order of cost) at least.
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 12, 2017, 08:10AM »

If you place a straightedge across the rim of a Bach 12C, you can see that it has a high crown in the center. That is uncomfortable for many players. A mouthpiece with a flatter rim should help. There are many to choose from.
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« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 02:36 PM »

If the rim is not comfortable for him, he could try a mouthypiece with a flatter rim.
Denis Wick mouthpieces have usually a flatter rim. I played a Denis Wick for years.
(Not playing DW anymore, since I like the flexibility of a rounded rim, but that was after my embouchure got stronger.)
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