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« on: Aug 11, 2017, 08:53PM »

In the 70's, many prominent brass players were playing (or at least endorsing) Jet-Tones.  (I bought the Urbie Green "M" as a student, contrary to my instructor's advice).  I note that they are of a lighter material than most mouthpieces and lack plating.  They are also all V shaped rather than cupped.  Anyone have any knowledge in why they chose their engineering design parameters?  Also, how did they garner so many endorsements (beyond the obvious $ answer).
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 11, 2017, 10:14PM »

You may notice that there weren't many classical players endorsing Jet Tones.  I have a Jet Tone B.  It's a good "high note getter" but I never liked my tone on it.  Apparently not too many other folks did either.  I think some of them were aluminum.  Mine seems to be.
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 12, 2017, 03:31PM »

In the 70's, many prominent brass players were playing (or at least endorsing) Jet-Tones.  (I bought the Urbie Green "M" as a student, contrary to my instructor's advice).  I note that they are of a lighter material than most mouthpieces and lack plating.  They are also all V shaped rather than cupped.  Anyone have any knowledge in why they chose their engineering design parameters?  Also, how did they garner so many endorsements (beyond the obvious $ answer).

I'm pretty sure they had an option of mouthpieces made from aluminum. Would be light and would require no plating.

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« Reply #3 on: Aug 12, 2017, 04:33PM »

Most Jet Tone Mouthpieces were around a 12C-ish size. They also made the oddist Bass Trombone mouthpiece I`ve ever seen.
For a very brief period in the 1980`s they made a 6 1/2 Al and a 7C. I have one of the 7C`s made out of Aluminum.
The rim contour feels very much like my Doug Elliott 98 rim.The Mouthpiece gets a different sound (slightly) because of the alluminum.
A sound tech friend of mine that also makes speakers said that he stopped using aluminum because it does`nt  react to sound vibrations that same as say  - Brass
I always thought the design was cool looking.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 13, 2017, 01:55AM »

I had a Buddy Morrow model. It was silver plated and had what I can only describe as an inverted cup, played high very easily with a clear cutting sound. It was about the same width as an 11C, but had a flatter rim, and I used it to liven up a "butchered" Bach 12 horn.

You can see a little of the shape here; the inside profile is similar to outer.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jet-Tone-jet-tone-mouthpiece-reissue-series-trombone-BM-Buddy-Morrow-mode-P-O-/112456526625?epid=1263001356&hash=item1a2eee6b21:g:LWgAAOSwAO9ZUCfa
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 13, 2017, 05:48AM »

Looks like an extreme double cup, if I see it right.
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 13, 2017, 08:26AM »

I don't know about the Buddy Morrow model, but mine (B) was a "single cup".
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 13, 2017, 09:48AM »

Looks like an extreme double cup, if I see it right.


Not really, the inside dropped straight down a little way, and the cup or bowl was concave rather than convex. One of a kind?
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 17, 2017, 06:54PM »

I have an original one in brass.  Stamped "BUDDY MORROW MODEL 1" .

The inner cup shape is as described by Pre59.   
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 17, 2017, 06:57PM »

The Ms and Ds that I've seen have a cup that goes up to the edge of the throat and then drops immediately into the throat (a very clean, hard angle).  Other than the Morrow I used to own, I've never played one I thought was usable, much less good.
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« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 02:15 PM »

I purchased a used trombone (Kühnl & Hoyer Bart van Lier .512) and in the case was a Jet Tone Studio Model M.

I don't like the mouthpiece. It is nearly impossible to have a good tone while playing soft.
This is a mouthpiece for playing loud all the time... and even then the tone was to bright for me.

I keep using the Yamaha GP45c2 which allows me to have a warm and clear tone in all dynamics.

But mouthpieces are very personal. So just try before you buy.
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« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 07:54 PM »

I have a JT catalog copywriten 1990. There were two series of mouthpieces in silver plated brass - Studio and Urbie Green. Each series has Shallow (S), Medium (M) and Deep(D).
All except the Studio S have a .969 in. rim. The Studio S has a .984 in. rim. The Studio S was formerly known as the Buddy Morrow #2. I had a Studio D and still have UG D & S. I cannot speak as to the shape of the Studio S but the D had straight walls which went down maybe 1/4 or 3/8" and then went to a funnel with no transition either from the walls to the "cup" or from the "cup" to the throat. I could play it and got a decent tone but I was exhausted after about 5 minutes. I "gave" it to Troy and he was kind enough to send me a little money for what I considered worthless junk.
The Urbie S & D that I have look like a Bach 12C on the inside but there is less transition from the cup to the throat. They have a smaller throat and backbore which prevents you from pushing much air through so volume is limited. I used the UG S just a little but used the UG D quite a bit. 
The aluminum mouthpieces are listed as 6-1/2 AL, 7-C and 12-C.
About this same time, 1990, I had a trumpet playing friend who got JT to produce a limited run (maybe 25 or 30) of a mouthpiece they had discontinued. Apparently they would make what you wanted if it was economically profitable to do so.
Based on this I would not be surprised at anything that turns up with a JT name on it.
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