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« on: Aug 27, 2017, 09:44AM »

Politics aside, I hope you are okay Dusty. be safe  Good!
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 27, 2017, 06:11PM »

Shades of our Cyclones here in Queensland, Australia. I read now that Texans are warned to brace themselves for "unprecedented" rainfall of up to 1.3 metres, as record floods, tidal surges and tornadoes hit communities already devastated by Tropical Storm Harvey.

So keep safe everybody!

How is it for your Billy?

Thinking of you all because I know the devastation that was caused by our recent Cyclone Debbie in March. They are still cleaning up and rebuilding, mainly from the aftermath flooding that occurred.
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 27, 2017, 07:59PM »

Don't know what's doing in Nacogdoches where Billy is, but in Houston there is major flooding.  Forum member DDickerson is still dry and safe, but other Houstonians are in real trouble.
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 27, 2017, 08:14PM »

If only we were already to the "post Harvey" stage. Latest report I saw said 50"+ total rainfall over a 4-5 day period. Still a long time to go. Been checking in with friends and family there and so far all is well, but many thousands have fared worse. The situation will only compound if the storm moves back to the gulf as the tracks now show.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 27, 2017, 08:21PM »

The storm is sitting part over land and part over the Gulf.  This makes it into a giant water pump, picking up water from the Gulf and dropping it over southeastern Texas (and southwestern Louisiana).  The rain is coming at a rate the normal soil and drain systems can't deal with it and as a result there is severe flooding.  People report water up to their waists in their houses and they can't get out.  Because of the rain, rescue boats and vehicles can't go out.  Bad scene for all.  I hope the storm gets moving and takes its normal route petering out over the Appalachian mountains -- and soon.
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 27, 2017, 09:22PM »

Seems to be a recurring problem there.  Something like this in the building code would make sense...

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« Reply #6 on: Aug 27, 2017, 10:41PM »

I'm still high and dry. I live in a neighborhood on Lake Houston, and so far, drainage has been staying ahead of the rainfall. I don't know how long it can last though. This might keep going on through Friday, and you know the flooding from the rivers and creeks will last later than that.

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BTW, there are a lot of other forum members here in the Houston area. Zac Thornton seems to be doing well also, from what I've seen on FaceBook.
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 28, 2017, 12:17AM »

Best wishes to all in this and closer to it than is comfortable. As always when this kind of thing happens, one thanks one's lucky stars that one lives somewhere where extreme weather basically doesn't happen.

Take care out there.
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 28, 2017, 01:19PM »

I'm doing well.  We've only had continuous light rain since Friday. (I think the rainfall total so far is 3".)
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 28, 2017, 02:04PM »

The real problem is the storm simply sitting on Coastal Texas and channeling water in.  There is expected to be a total in excess of 3 feet of rain.  The sewers and bayous simply cannot move that much water in a reasonable time.  Good luck to Dusty and Zac (HouBassBone) and anybody else who is there.
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 28, 2017, 02:46PM »

My brother lives just west of Shepherd & Buffalo Bayou. Water was 3 ft. from his slab last night but has receded a bit since.
 
He is still quite concerned.
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 28, 2017, 03:22PM »

FYI:

http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/inundation/index.php?gage=bbst2
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 28, 2017, 09:20PM »

I've been watching the coverage on CNN. Without having to use one's imagination, one might be looking at Bangladesh and not the 4th largest city in the US.

But, one question: where is the military, the National Guard? I see all kinds of private watercraft and individuals but I don't see any military presence. Am I missing something?
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 28, 2017, 10:27PM »

I've been watching the coverage on CNN. Without having to use one's imagine, one might be looking at Bangladesh and not the 4th largest city in the US.

But, one question: where is the military, the National Guard? I see all kinds of private watercraft and individuals but I don't see any military presence. Am I missing something?

The Texas National Guard has been activated and FEMA is already on the scene but they are less likely to be tweeting photos of themselves than civilian volunteers.

This NYTimes gallery has some official forces pictured.

AFAIK, the army-navy-air force military don't do this sort of natural disaster stuff. They all have ongoing national defense responsibilities and are not typically sitting untasked to be diverted to something like this.  That's my understanding.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 28, 2017, 10:38PM »

Thanks for checking on me guys! I have been very lucky and just lost power for a few hours. Many of my friends and family have lost their homes and the rebuilding is going to take years. Any prayers or good vibes sent our way are appreciated!
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« Reply #15 on: Aug 29, 2017, 05:08AM »

I've been watching the coverage on CNN. Without having to use one's imagine, one might be looking at Bangladesh and not the 4th largest city in the US.

But, one question: where is the military, the National Guard? I see all kinds of private watercraft and individuals but I don't see any military presence. Am I missing something?

I have not looked to find any, but I am sure you could find a lot of pictures of the Coast Guard doing rescues. They are the military that will be involved along the coast.
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« Reply #16 on: Aug 29, 2017, 06:33AM »

Gov. Abbot activated the entire Texas National Guard last night.  You should start seeing more pictures of them soon.
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 29, 2017, 07:13AM »



AFAIK, the army-navy-air force military don't do this sort of natural disaster stuff. They all have ongoing national defense responsibilities and are not typically sitting untasked to be diverted to something like this.  That's my understanding.

Governors have the authority to activate the National Guard under Title 32.

They can request regular military under Title 10 but it's complicated. 

Here are the rules:
http://dtic.mil/doctrine/new_pubs/jp3_28.pdf

And here's a brief wiki explanation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Support_of_Civil_authorities

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« Reply #18 on: Aug 29, 2017, 12:02PM »

More National Guard on the way.  The storm isn't actually over yet so there's that impediment to moving in now.


Pentagon: Military Response In Texas For Harvey May Increase Tenfold Or More


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Air Force Maj. Gen. James Witham told reporters Tuesday there currently are about 3,500 National Guard troops involved, including about 3,000 from the Texas National Guard. He estimated that the Texas guard number could rise to 8,000 to 10,000 in coming days, possibly joined by 20,000 to 30,000 from other states.

Witham is the director of domestic operations for the National Guard Bureau.


No talk of regular army yet, it seems.
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« Reply #19 on: Aug 29, 2017, 01:39PM »

Right now the resources of the Air Force, the Coast Guard, and maybe Naval and Army helicopters are of most value.  Supplies have to be shuttled into the shelters (many are surrounded by deep water) and there are still people on their roofs or upper floors of flooded houses.

It's important to airlift a lot of supplies since trucks (even high Army trucks) can't get through.
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