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« on: Sep 06, 2017, 10:34AM »

Hello fellow trombonists,
Lately I've been noticing that my Schilke 59 (which I understand is sort of an equivalent to a Bach 1 1/4G) feels kind of small when I'm playing bass trombone. I bought a Bach 1G to try, but it's kinda too big for me. Are there any mouthpieces out there that are kind of in between these two sizes? Any suggestions would be most welcome.

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« Reply #1 on: Sep 06, 2017, 10:35AM »

Hello fellow trombonists,
Lately I've been noticing that my Schilke 59 (which I understand is sort of an equivalent to a Bach 1 1/4G) feels kind of small when I'm playing bass trombone. I bought a Bach 1G to try, but it's kinda too big for me. Are there any mouthpieces out there that are kind of in between these two sizes? Any suggestions would be most welcome.

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Greg Black 1-1/8G
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 06, 2017, 10:38AM »

Also the Yamaha Yeo.  And see my profile (Elliott Code).
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 06, 2017, 10:38AM »

Greg Black 1-1/8G
Doug Elliott LB112 or 113

Thanks! For the GB, which type weight would you suggest trying? I've had no expierience with Greg Black...
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 06, 2017, 10:39AM »

Griego GP (not the GP6 or GP7 those are bigger)
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 06, 2017, 10:40AM »

Also the Yamaha Yeo.  And see my profile (Elliott Code).

Thanks, will check into that
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 06, 2017, 10:40AM »

Thanks! For the GB, which type weight would you suggest trying? I've had no expierience with Greg Black...

It's a personal choice.  I just stick with the regular weight. But I'm not picky if I buy one used; light or medium also works for me.  I guess I just try to stay away from the heavy weight in any m'pc line, I don't prefer that.

Also, if you try a GB 1-1/8, try to get one with the .312 throat and #2 backbore.  I think that helps it be more manageable, as do others here on the forum.
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 06, 2017, 10:42AM »

It's a personal choice.  I just stick with the regular weight. But I'm not picky if I buy one used; light or medium also works for me.  I guess I just try to stay away from the heavy weight in any m'pc line, I don't prefer that.

Ah ok, that makes sense. Will look into that.

Thanks for all the suggestions so far. Just what I'm looking for  Good!
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 06, 2017, 11:11AM »

Maybe your Schilke 59 is big enough...
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 06, 2017, 11:13AM »

What makes you think the 59 is too small?  Are you studying with someone, and when you play your 59 for them what do they think?  Have you tried a similar-sized Bach (commonly available) to see it feels any different due to different rim or interior contours, or are you just looking at size charts?

There's only so much a bunch of good-intentioned people can offer over the internet without hearing and seeing you play, let alone having a clearer description of what you are trying to fix.

Your trombone teacher should be your first resource - explain to him/her the problem you are trying to solve and let them guide you.  They will be better able to help you figure out how much is equipment versus mechanics & training, and what is most appropriate for you at this stage in your development with the bass trombone.

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« Reply #10 on: Sep 08, 2017, 08:52AM »

Why are people suggesting DE 112+++?  The DE 109 is between the Bach 1.25 and Bach 1 (which is just over 110)

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« Reply #11 on: Sep 08, 2017, 08:56AM »

Why are people suggesting DE 112+++?  The DE 109 is between the Bach 1.25 and Bach 1 (which is just over 110)



From Doug's site:

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LB 110 smaller than a Bach 1G, larger than a Bach 1G or Schilke 58 (28 mm)
LB 111 about like a Bach 1G (28.2mm)
LB 112 similar to Schilke 59, a little larger than Bach 1G (28.5mm)
LB 113 between 112 and 114 (28.7mm)
LB 114 copy of Schilke 60, similar size to some Bach 1G, but flatter (29mm)
LB 115 between 114 and 116 (29.2mm)
LB 116 larger than Schilke 60, same shape (29.5mm)
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 08, 2017, 08:57AM »

I haven't played on one myself but I think the Laskey 90D is supposed to be in the size bracket you are looking for? Double check on his website.
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 08, 2017, 08:58AM »

But then there is this:

http://www.dannychesnut.com/Music/Trombone/TromboneMouthpieceComparison.html
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 08, 2017, 08:59AM »

The 1G is a much smaller rim size than most of the other "large" mouthpieces, like the Schilke 60, but still very deep.
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« Reply #15 on: Sep 08, 2017, 09:41AM »


I would trust Doug's comparison first.  That table is from published specs - which are typically not correct, esp. for Bach.  Doug's chart comes from what he's actually measured and compared against physically.  That's my understanding.
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 08, 2017, 09:46AM »


Thats a good general reference. But Doug E. has real world specs, not what the manufacturers claim. Bach QC isnt what it used to be.
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 08, 2017, 11:06AM »

Comparing exact specs can be difficult, as Doug indicates on those pages where he has comparisons:

Quote from: 'Doug Elliott'
Some of these I have measured, and others are from catalog descriptions & specifications. Do not take diameter or depth measurements too seriously. The measurements are done on curves, and are subject to varying interpretation A lot of other factors influence how a mouthpiece feels and plays.

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The 1G certainly feels large, or at least all of the ones I've played have felt that way to me. The Schilke sizes just feel smaller, even though they might not be. Shape makes a big difference, and I find the Schilke style rims to be more comfortable.  Depending on what works for your physiology, going smaller than a Schilke 59 to a 1 1/4G might actually feel bigger. I know it does for me.  Similarly, you might like a Schilke 60 even though the 1G, nominally the "same size" might feel fine.  Or, naturally, one of Dougs rims on the appropriate cup/shank!
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 08, 2017, 11:50AM »

Also the Yamaha Yeo.  And see my profile (Elliott Code).

The Yeo and Schilke 59 are bigger than a 1G I thought.
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 08, 2017, 12:03PM »

I sold my S59 and bought a B11/4. The Schilke felt too big; the Bach feels just right.
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