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« on: Sep 06, 2017, 07:42PM »

I think that Hurricane Irma probably needs its own topic now. Latest news I have heard is that 90 per cent of the buildings on the island of Barbuda have been destroyed. That is a lot of destruction.

President Trump, whose waterfront Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida, could take a direct hit from the storm, has already approved emergency declarations for Florida, Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands, mobilising federal disaster relief efforts.

And there could be more to come with Hurricane Jose, in the open Atlantic, about 1,610 kilometres east of the Caribbean's Lesser Antilles islands, which could also eventually threaten the US mainland.
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 06, 2017, 08:00PM »

Harvey... Irma... Jose...

How many more letters are there in this alphabet?!?

FYI... There are no hurricanes "Donald" but there was a tropical storm "Don" this year.  The "Don" name will return in 2023.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 06, 2017, 08:04PM »

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‘Barbuda is literally rubble,’ but Antigua is spared.

Early on Wednesday, Prime Minister Gaston Browne of Antigua and Barbuda said his nation had been spared the worst of the hurricane, declaring in a statement, “The essential point is that our main infrastructure has stood up and our country can resume normal life within hours.” He went so far as to add, “I dare to say that no other country in the Caribbean would have been as well prepared as we were.”

This turned out to be stunningly inaccurate: While the damage in Antigua was not as severe as expected, Mr. Browne announced in the afternoon that 95 percent of all structures on its sister island, Barbuda, had been damaged or destroyed, rendering the island “barely habitable.” A telecommunications tower was broken in two. At least one person, an infant, was killed.

Barbuda, home to about 1,600 people (3 percent of the country’s population), “is literally rubble,” the prime minister told ABS TV/Radio Antigua.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 06, 2017, 08:07PM »

There's also Katia, which is headed to Veracruz Mexico.  Probably cross Mexico and become a Pacific storm.  Will it get a new name if it does?

I said in the other thread: this is a great time for President Trump to vacation and golf in Mar-A-Lago Evil
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 06, 2017, 08:51PM »

It'll be Katia II: Electric Boogaloo
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 06, 2017, 09:45PM »

A few friends of mine were last trapped inside a hotel on St. Martin from what I know. Haven't heard from them in over 12 hours now. Hoping for good news soon.
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 07, 2017, 04:50AM »

I had never even heard of Barbuda until yesterday. Prayers to those unfortunates on that small island. We're really hoping this storm does the veer to the right it looks like it's trying to.
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 07, 2017, 08:26AM »

FYI:

https://www.windy.com/?26.352,-61.084,4
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 07, 2017, 08:31AM »

Current track has it making landfall on the Georgia coast and heding north northwest.  Watch out, tsmart!
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 07, 2017, 10:41AM »


What's really striking about that map is that down by Antarctica they have hurricane strength winds... and there's no storm. It's just really windy!
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 07, 2017, 11:19AM »

From time to time, there has been [not terribly serious] talk of the Turks and Caicos becoming a Canadian province. A Canadian Caribbean getaway.

I see these small islands were directly in Irma's path. By the time Irma blows itself out, the T&C might be piled up on the Nova Scotia shore.

Today's forecast (for wind) starting at 3:00 pm (by the hour):

192 km/h
203 km/h
204 km/h
158 km/h
97 km/h

Definitely not beach weather.
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 07, 2017, 11:41AM »

Two 500-year storms back-to-back.

Can we talk about Climate Change in this thread?
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 07, 2017, 12:04PM »

No.  It's North Korea's nuclear tests :-P :-P Evil
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 07, 2017, 01:23PM »

I had never even heard of Barbuda until yesterday. Prayers to those unfortunates on that small island. We're really hoping this storm does the veer to the right it looks like it's trying to.

I've heard of Pete Barbuti though.....

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« Reply #14 on: Sep 07, 2017, 01:45PM »

Hurricanes are a deep state plot - I don't believe that hurricanes exist.  If Rethuglicans don't believe in climate change then I don't believe in hurricanes.  It's all a ruse to siphon off tax dollars from decent northerners.
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« Reply #15 on: Sep 07, 2017, 02:15PM »

Hurricanes are a deep state plot - I don't believe that hurricanes exist.  If Rethuglicans don't believe in climate change then I don't believe in hurricanes.  It's all a ruse to siphon off tax dollars from decent northerners.

And remember, those same people came up pretty stingy when Superstorm (it was after Hurricane season) Sandy nailed the North.
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 07, 2017, 03:06PM »

Actually, since Drumpf has been so incompetent and hasn't gotten around to appointing a lot of the people who should be running the agencies involved, it is the Deep State burueaucrats he hates so much that are doing such a competent and heroic job managing the aftermath and lead-ups to these natural crises.
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 07, 2017, 03:18PM »

On the news last night we had a reporter live from the Dominican Republic and, since the eye of the hurricane did not directly hit Puerto Rico as feared but passed to the north, the battering was not so severe as expected. However, it was bad enough to cause high winds and heavy rains, three people were killed, and around two-thirds of the population lost their electricity.

Irma then moved west-north-west off the northern coast of the Dominican Republic, heading slightly north of Haiti. Impoverished Haiti has been particularly vulnerable to hurricanes in the past and the United Nations Children's Fund has warned that millions of children could be at risk in the two countries, which share the island of Hispaniola. I have been to Haiti and it is a beautiful island, but so sad to see the living conditions of so many people.

The hurricane then moved on Cuba, where they began evacuating many of the 51,000 tourists visiting the island, particularly some 36,000 people at resorts on the picturesque northern coast, most of them Canadians.

According to the NHC, Irma will likely hit Florida as a very powerful category four system on Sunday, with storm surges and flooding beginning within the next 48 hours. Trump has said, "To the people of Florida, we just want you to protect yourselves, be very very vigilant and careful."
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 07, 2017, 03:24PM »

Actually, since Drumpf has been so incompetent and hasn't gotten around to appointing a lot of the people who should be running the agencies involved, it is the Deep State burueaucrats he hates so much that are doing such a competent and heroic job managing the aftermath and lead-ups to these natural crises.
Sure Russ. Looks like He handled Texas well. No complaints there. Funds are on their way and he donated 1,000,000.
And Gov Scott(R) is on it too. As is Gov Abott(R).
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 07, 2017, 03:49PM »

Actually, since Drumpf has been so incompetent and hasn't gotten around to appointing a lot of the people who should be running the agencies involved, it is the Deep State burueaucrats he hates so much that are doing such a competent and heroic job managing the aftermath and lead-ups to these natural crises.

This is not a PP thread. Take 'Your Bilge' to PP.  >:(
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 07, 2017, 05:39PM »

 Is it easier to believe that God is punishing the United States than it is to believe in climate change?
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 07, 2017, 06:48PM »

This is not a PP thread. Take 'Your Bilge' to PP.  >:(

Touche', my bad.
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 07, 2017, 11:15PM »

As if three hurricanes are not bad enough, now A magnitude-8 earthquake has struck off the southern coast of Mexico, shaking buildings in the capital city. Its epicentre was 123 kilometres south-west of the town of Pijijiapan, at a depth of 33 kilometres.

And now the Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre said widespread and hazardous tsunami waves were forecast for the region.

Something strange is going on in this world with strange weather, hurricanes and earthquakes not being confined to this Central America/Caribbean area.
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 08, 2017, 07:35AM »

Interesting History:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuestra_Se%C3%B1ora_de_Atocha
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 08, 2017, 12:19PM »


Meanwhile in large surface-area, balloon-like, celebrity news...

Limbaugh Leaves Palm Beach Home After Downplaying Hurricane Irma

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Conservative broadcaster Rush Limbaugh seems to have abandoned his plans to ride out Hurricane Irma at his Palm Beach home, where he records his radio show, after originally downplaying the risk of the storm as the product of a giant conspiracy.

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On Tuesday, Limbaugh said that he wasn’t a meteorologist, but rather the “go-to-guy” in his circles for hurricane advice. He painted the storm’s early forecasts as a grand conspiracy between local retailers and media, meteorologists and public officials hungry to sell the public on the reality of climate change.

“Because you have people in all of these government areas who believe man is causing climate change, and they’re hell-bent on proving it, they’re hell-bent on demonstrating it, they’re hell-bent on persuading people of it,” he said of the latter group.

I'm curious to know who is in that "circle" that calls Rush Limbaugh for hurricane updates.
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« Reply #25 on: Sep 08, 2017, 12:27PM »

Irma and Rush. That would be two big bags of hot air.
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« Reply #26 on: Sep 08, 2017, 01:19PM »

Irma and Rush. That would be two big bags of hot air.
More politics?
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« Reply #27 on: Sep 08, 2017, 02:04PM »

More politics?
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Lush Rimbaugh isn't politics, he is really horrible entertainment radio
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« Reply #28 on: Sep 08, 2017, 02:37PM »

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Lush Rimbaugh isn't politics, he is really horrible entertainment radio
Well that's all he talks about on his show, politics.
And he's quite entertaining.
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« Reply #29 on: Sep 08, 2017, 02:39PM »

More politics?

I am unaware that Irma has run for or has been elected to political office.

Rush on the other hand, well, wouldn't you classify him as "fake news"?
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« Reply #30 on: Sep 08, 2017, 02:49PM »

Well that's all he talks about on his show, politics.
And he's quite entertaining.

He's entertaining like Rodney Dangerfield was funny.  You really gotta go for his style.  I don't.
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« Reply #31 on: Sep 08, 2017, 02:55PM »

Rush has said he is just an "entertainer" on numerous occasions.

Typically, after the dishonesty of something he has said has been exposed.

That makes it all OK.

I wonder if we're going to find out some people didn't evacuate in time because Rush told them it was all a hoax. Probably not, because they won't be alive to tell us.
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« Reply #32 on: Sep 08, 2017, 03:27PM »

Unfortunately it does look as though Hurricane Irma will "devastate" part of the United States, when it bears down on Florida. It is not surprising to see the long lines of traffic with people evacuating themselves from the Florida Peninsula.

The trio of hurricanes - Irma, Katia and Jose - is baffling weather scientists but warmer sea surface temperatures, a virtually non-existent El Nino and a lack of storm slowing high altitude winds has led to the predicted increase in hurricanes.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-08/irma-katia-and-jose-hurricane-trio-baffles-scientists/8884834

In the many articles I have read there does seem to be agreement that global warming is the major cause of such weather events.
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Meanwhile in large surface-area, balloon-like, celebrity news...

Limbaugh Leaves Palm Beach Home After Downplaying Hurricane Irma

I'm curious to know who is in that "circle" that calls Rush Limbaugh for hurricane updates.

I guess Rush is 'hell bent' on saving his fat ignorant ***
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« Reply #34 on: Sep 08, 2017, 04:22PM »

Sure Russ. Looks like He handled Texas well. No complaints there.....


Wow, I had no idea you were down here for an update.  Yeah, RIGHT.
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« Reply #35 on: Sep 08, 2017, 05:40PM »

Wow, I had no idea you were down here for an update.  Yeah, RIGHT.
Sorry. Forgot to check in with you.  Yeah, RIGHT. Eeek! :-0
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« Reply #36 on: Sep 09, 2017, 08:05AM »

Latest track seems to have Irma going up the West Coast of Florida and stalling over Tennessee.

Good luck to our members in Tampa-St. Pete and even the Panhandle!  Looks like Tallahassee and Athens GA are in for some punishment, too.

Do they play football in hurricanes? :-P
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« Reply #37 on: Sep 09, 2017, 08:37AM »

How do we know that Irma will knot go farther West into the Gulf?
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« Reply #38 on: Sep 09, 2017, 08:43AM »

Latest track seems to have Irma going up the West Coast of Florida and stalling over Tennessee.
 
Good luck to our members in Tampa-St. Pete and even the Panhandle!  Looks like Tallahassee and Athens GA are in for some punishment, too.
 
Do they play football in hurricanes? :-P

We're gettin' the football done today, but I doubt anyone's going to miss any practice this week.
 
Projections have dropped down to 30mph-40mph winds by the time Irma runs over us--nothing more than a moderately strong thunderstorm. Sustained winds at those speeds albeit, but no one seems terribly worried around here. A lot of people are evacuating to this area. Land mass kills hurricanes pretty quickly. We've seen this pattern over and over again. We're keeping an eye on the Irma news of course though--Harvey was a pretty damn strong demonstration of how anomalies can go.
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« Reply #39 on: Sep 09, 2017, 09:18AM »

Harvey was (if you will pardon the pun) a perfect storm.  It parked over Houston with a lot of it over water so it acted as a big water pump putting more and more water on the ground.  When Irma parks over Tennessee it will have a lot less storm over water and will just dump whatever rain is already stored up.  Still a lot of rain, but nowhere near as bad as Harvey.
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« Reply #40 on: Sep 09, 2017, 11:48AM »

For flight fans here is a first-person account of taking a weather plane through the eye of a hurricane

Cyberflight into the Eye of a Hurricane



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« Reply #41 on: Sep 09, 2017, 01:06PM »

Man, I'd need a world class barf bag to take one of those rides.  Talk about flying through turbulence!
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« Reply #42 on: Sep 09, 2017, 01:43PM »

I'm going to guess the first person to prove you could fly a plane through that didn't do it on purpose.  :D

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« Reply #43 on: Sep 09, 2017, 01:51PM »

I'm going to guess the first person to prove you could fly a plane through that didn't do it on purpose.  :D



They've been doing this as a way to track hurricanes as long as I've been around.  Imagine flying through a hurricane in something akin to a B-24.  That's what the early ones looked like.
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« Reply #44 on: Sep 09, 2017, 02:51PM »

That's one of the toughest planes in existence. I'd feel more than comfortable in that plane.
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Excellent workhorse:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a26156/c-130-badass-plane/

One stout platform there and also the base for ‘Spooky’:

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« Reply #46 on: Sep 09, 2017, 05:09PM »

Sure, you know what it's built to take, but until you go through a hurricane you don't know what it's going to take.
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« Reply #47 on: Sep 09, 2017, 05:20PM »

Let's not forget our other friends:

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/09/08/mariel-hemingway-to-manager-at-ernest-hemingway-home-take-the-cats-and-go/

This is an old story, but let's hope they are safe with today.
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« Reply #48 on: Sep 09, 2017, 05:52PM »

Sure, you know what it's built to take, but until you go through a hurricane you don't know what it's going to take.

Already proven!
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« Reply #49 on: Sep 09, 2017, 06:04PM »

Already proven!

How? Before anyone ever went through a hurricane. If you haven't been through a hurricane yet, how do you know what's in a hurricane?
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« Reply #50 on: Sep 09, 2017, 07:06PM »

Hurricanes were experienced long before we had machines that could fly. 

We knew they had cyclonic flow around a stagnant eye (which had very low barometric pressure).  We knew wind speed was in excess of 130 knots. 

We also had wind tunnels that could test models at these windspeeds.

Airplanes could fly at the speed of a hurricane wind around World War II, so they could traverse a storm.

So the aeronautical engineers of the day simply beefed up the design of a bomber aircraft so it could withstand the buffeting and they loaded it with instruments to measure wind speed, pressure, etc.

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« Reply #51 on: Sep 10, 2017, 09:07AM »

That is the sort of confidence in design that enabled the Titanic's successful maiden voyage across the Atlantic.

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« Reply #52 on: Sep 10, 2017, 09:26AM »

They say you should prepare fopr the worst and hope for the best. Looks like that may be working out for us here in Volusia county. I finally finished my prep for this monster about an hour ago, and the latest NOOA tracking and predictions are saying we now have a 0% chance of experiencing hurricane force winds, about a 30% chance of 50km winds, and a 100% chance of tropical storm force winds. I will GLADLY take those odds compared to what we were looking at only 24 hours ago. My heart goes out to those on the west coast of Fla.
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« Reply #53 on: Sep 10, 2017, 09:56AM »

That is the sort of confidence in design that enabled the Titanic's successful maiden voyage across the Atlantic.


Wow. Just Wow.  Great analogy. Yeah, RIGHT.
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« Reply #54 on: Sep 10, 2017, 10:24AM »

It's at least as good as shouting "proven!" and then offering no proof.

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« Reply #55 on: Sep 10, 2017, 01:13PM »

I was referencing the C 130 and it’s variants as a proven aircraft for a multitude of operations, maybe I mistook your statements.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/c130.html

You brought up the aircraft in the first place.

http://www.hurricanehunters.com/plane.html

There are more sources on the net concerning the C 130.
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« Reply #56 on: Sep 10, 2017, 01:23PM »

I was referencing the C 130 and it’s variants as a proven aircraft for a multitude of operations, maybe I mistook your statements.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/c130.html

You brought up the aircraft in the first place.

http://www.hurricanehunters.com/plane.html

There are more sources on the net concerning the C 130.

NASA uses the P-3.   Both tough airplanes. The only thing to worry about is the engines freezing.
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« Reply #57 on: Sep 10, 2017, 01:24PM »

It's at least as good as shouting "proven!" and then offering no proof.


Fly in one.
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« Reply #58 on: Sep 10, 2017, 01:29PM »

Ronky is back and an argument ensues. A special talent.
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« Reply #59 on: Sep 10, 2017, 01:47PM »

Ronky is back and an argument ensues. A special talent.
Argument? How about disagreement?  And opposition to "the gang" here always results in "the gang" banding together against anyone who disagrees.
Try staying on topic Ellrod.  Hint;  it's about hurricanes. It's not about individuals.
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« Reply #60 on: Sep 10, 2017, 02:28PM »

As I say,  a special talent.
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« Reply #61 on: Sep 10, 2017, 02:37PM »

As I say,  a special talent.
The hurricane has a special talent.   Got it. Thank you.
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« Reply #62 on: Sep 10, 2017, 02:46PM »

I'm sure if the first Hurricane Hunter got downed back in the 1950s we'd be looking at something else.  But they work and work well.  Back in the days before satellites it was the only way to get information about hurricanes (which have been around forever).
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Ronky is back and an argument ensues. A special talent.

I would say snarkiness ensues  Yeah, RIGHT.
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« Reply #64 on: Sep 10, 2017, 05:25PM »

I beg to differ.

https://youtu.be/kQFKtI6gn9Y
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« Reply #65 on: Sep 10, 2017, 05:45PM »

Latest reports say that 90% of Central and South Florida are now without power.

I hope our friends in Florida can check in when they are back up.  Including our vendors, Bill Hamilton (Warburton) and Bruce Lee (Esconndido, Facet Mutes).

Let us know where you are and how you fared.  We are concerned about you.
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« Reply #66 on: Sep 10, 2017, 06:39PM »

I would say snarkiness ensues  Yeah, RIGHT.
Right. Hurricane. Remember? You’re a mod. Pay attention to the rules.
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« Reply #67 on: Sep 10, 2017, 06:40PM »

Nice. Right on topic.
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« Reply #68 on: Sep 10, 2017, 07:14PM »

Topic cop?
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« Reply #69 on: Sep 10, 2017, 07:51PM »

Hey!  Stop bickering.  We were discussing the efficacy of Hurricane Hunter aircraft and you guys started sniping at each other.

Anybody in Florida on line?  Hello, is this thing on? (tap, tap) :)
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« Reply #70 on: Sep 10, 2017, 08:29PM »

Is it better or worse that the eye has veered on land?

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« Reply #71 on: Sep 10, 2017, 10:14PM »

The problem with Harvey was that it parked half over land and half over water.  This means it sorta pumps water from the ocean to the land. 

When the eye is over land the storm tends to weaken.  Having it east of Tampa is a benefit.  It will probably be a tropical depression by the time it gets to northern Florida and is expected to dissipate to nothing by Wednesday.
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« Reply #72 on: Sep 18, 2017, 04:48AM »

Well, that was certainly no fun. Our community survived without too much major damage, but most of the county was without electricity for most of a week. We were lucky the storm veered inland and much of its energy drained before it got to us. Still, we had sustained gale force, or higher, winds for over 24 hours, with true hurricane level winds for 4-6 . Personally, we had a tree down across our driveway that kept us from being able to get our cars out from Sat to Sat. I have a small Honda generator that was adequate to run the fridge all day and a couple of fans at night, but we're on a well so we had no running water. I can attest that a bathtub full of water is sufficient to flush toilets for 2 people for a week. The temp index after the storm was in the 100 degree range. We spent a lot of time in the pool. My wife called it "glamping". Other than trees down we have no significant damage, but we may get a new roof out of it for all the shingles we lost. We were truly blessed. There are a whole lot of folks in this state, especially in the Keys, who lost everything they own. This is going to take longer to recover from that even Harvey just a couple weeks before.
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« Reply #73 on: Sep 18, 2017, 06:47AM »

Glad you're OK, Russ.  Also glad you didn't have too much damage.  A tree across the driveway can be a real problem.  We had one a few winters ago.  Landed on my wife's car and while it didn't do a lot of damage, it destroyed her sun roof.  I managed to find a guy to cut it up and we had insurance cover the replacement glass.  I was lucky.  It missed my car and I was not trapped by it.  I did need to cut a path from the fallen tree branches to get to it, though.
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« Reply #74 on: Sep 18, 2017, 06:53AM »

Our driveway is a quarter of a mile long, the tree was close to the far end and wrapped in power lines or I would have cut it up myself and gotten us out. Firefighting 101, "there is no such thing as a dead power line". Someone asked about Bill Hamilton. I believe he is playing on a cruise ship tour. I haven't heard about his house. I'll check in with him and get back to you.

Here is a hint of what those in the Keys have to deal with.........

https://www.facebook.com/tvswe/videos/10154845596258309/
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