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« on: Sep 09, 2017, 10:55PM »

I have a friend who plays saxophone looking to pick up the trombone, specifically bass trombone. A tenor w/F attachment is fine, budget is about $400, case and mouthpiece included if possible.
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 10, 2017, 06:24AM »

Normally there are good deals on Ebay for  the Benge 165F and 190F
You might also check out the Blessing B88.
Look on Craigslist in you area and surrounding areas
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 10, 2017, 07:29AM »

I'm scouring Ebay right now, with plans to check Craigslist later. However, if I can find him a horn from a Forum member, I'll know that it'll be exactly as described and I'll be getting a good deal.

As of now, the horns I'd consider most are:

Tenor-Blessing B78 and B88; Bach 42 and Omega/200B; Yamaha 356, 446, 448, 548, 600 series; Olds A20 and S20 "Basses"; pretty much any large bore Holton and the 602F; Getzen 725 and 747; Benge 190 and 165; and Wessex

Bass-Bach 50B (single); Yamaha 321/322/421; Wessex; Mack; Conn 70H/71H/72H/etc.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 10, 2017, 07:36AM »

A real Bass trombone for $400 will be very tough to find.
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 10, 2017, 07:40AM »

$400 is REALLY on (or off) the low end for a bass -- maybe depending on what you mean by "bass".  Single valve?  Double valve?  A "real" bass, or just something he can play 3rd/bass parts with -- like a large bore tenor?

Anyhow, if looking for a genuine bass trombone in that price range (that will actually play), you might consider something like this:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schiller-Trombone-/222639418319?hash=item33d657ebcf:g:xs0AAOSw~y9ZA2M5 -- and making a low ball offer on it.  The price on it now ($550+shipping) is right about what retail price on it is.  And it's unimproved/unmodified.  They're not bad horns, and I like mine -- but I've modified it in a couple of ways.

Even for a decent playable large bore tenor, $400 is probably unrealistically hopeful.  In addition to the other suggestions already provided, look at the Olds horns on Ebay, Craigslist,  etc.  An Ambassador with F attachment is typically within the $400 (or less) range, and sometimes you can find one of the better models as well.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 10, 2017, 12:43PM »

60's era Holton TR 380 on Ebay for $499 or Make an Offer.Single valve lrg bore Tenor
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 10, 2017, 06:49PM »

An Ambassador with F attachment is typically within the $400 (or less) range, and sometimes you can find one of the better models as well.

This is exactly what I'm looking for, I just figured I would rather get it from a forum member than eBay if someone were looking to get rid of one. I have several options on eBay lined up if no one is.
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 11, 2017, 12:33AM »

This [An Ambassador with F attachment] is exactly what I'm looking for, I just figured I would rather get it from a forum member than eBay if someone were looking to get rid of one. I have several options on eBay lined up if no one is.

Largobone,

I think you have us all confused with your floating definition of "bass trombone" - when you really would seem to be satisfied with any trombone with an F attachment.  The Olds Ambassador A20 (with F-attachment) was actually termed a "student-quality bass trombone" back in the day (early 1950s).  In fact, this rugged instrument was my first trombone!  But with its small bore (0.510"/0.525") and very small-shank mouthpiece, no one in the 21st century would call this a "bass trombone."  But for a high school saxophonist who wants to move up and learn to play the trombone, such an instrument could be quite suitable.  He/she will learn not only how to play the trombone, but also how to use the F-attachment.  Transition to a true large-bore bass trombone would then be an easy step. 
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 11, 2017, 05:17AM »

Largobone,

I think you have us all confused with your floating definition of "bass trombone" - when you really would seem to be satisfied with any trombone with an F attachment. 

People do seem confused. I'm not sure why. I think largobone was pretty clear.
"Bass trombone" in the title is in "quotes"
and in his first post, he very clearly states, "A tenor w/F attachment is fine."
My guess is that the friend wants to honk out some low notes, but needs to figure out how to play a trombone first.
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A real Bass trombone for $400 will be very tough to find.
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 11, 2017, 05:48PM »

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« Reply #11 on: Sep 12, 2017, 07:01AM »

Any 'bone with F-att that's $400 is probably not going to entice its new owner to want to play it. Like, at all. The slide will probably be mediocre, the valve most likely will either leak or move sluggishly and will detract from it's playability and sound for sure.

You'd be better off getting a straight horn for that money which would be in much better shape; nothing to leak or seize and it is reasonable to expect a decent slide.

That's my 2 cents.
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 12, 2017, 02:16PM »

About 3 years ago I picked up a decent Blessing B88 for $350.  It needed to have the valve reworked which cost me $50 from my local tech and I later picked up a used Yamaha case for about $65 because the gig bag it came with was too flimsy for some travel.  Slide was great on the horn after I cleaned it a few times with Wright's brass polish and lubed it up well.  Finish is not bad really-- better than many horns I've seen on eBay.

Bottom line is that if you're patient, sometimes good horns for cheap can be found.
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 12, 2017, 07:04PM »

People do seem confused. I'm not sure why. I think largobone was pretty clear.
"Bass trombone" in the title is in "quotes"
and in his first post, he very clearly states, "A tenor w/F attachment is fine."
My guess is that the friend wants to honk out some low notes, but needs to figure out how to play a trombone first.

You nailed it!


My apologies everyone, I thought I was being clear. What I was trying to say is I want to start him on a horn with an F attachment so he can work on playing in the bass register as soon as possible. "Starter bass" was in quotations because while a single bass might be perfect, I recognize this isn't likely. He'll probably be looking to upgrade to a real bass trombone sometime in a couple of years, once he has a handle on trombone in general and he can start taking some lessons in college.

That said, any horn with an F attachment will be considered, but the bigger you've got, the better. Large shank preferable, .547/8.5" or larger preferrable.


To address the $400 budget: I recognize it isn't much, but he's a high schooler who already has to pay for gas for his car and a bunch of other stuff so he's saved as much as he can. He's getting anxious to get going so I'm working with what he's got for now. Yeah, the horn might have some issues, but he's determined and that's why I'm here; to make sure he doesn't get a garbage horn. Besides, he's been playing a school-owned bari sax for a couple years now, he's used to dealing with issues like this on a daily basis  Good!

Sorry again for the confusion, I have a couple of leads so far so I must be doing something right.
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