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« on: Sep 11, 2017, 07:08AM »

Just when you thought it was safe to leave the cream out of your coffee...


Report in The lancet via NY Times:
New Study Favors Fat Over Carbs

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High carbohydrate intake is associated with a higher risk of mortality, and high fat intake with a lower risk, researchers report.

An international team of scientists studied diet and mortality in 135,335 people between 35 and 70 years old in 18 countries, following them for an average of more than seven years...

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Compared with people who ate the lowest 20 percent of carbohydrates, those who ate the highest 20 percent had a 28 percent increased risk of death. But high carbohydrate intake was not associated with cardiovascular death.

People with the highest 20 percent in total fat intake — an average of 35.3 percent of calories from fat — had about a 23 percent reduced risk of death compared with the lowest 20 percent (an average of 10.6 percent of calories from fat). Consuming higher saturated fat, polyunsaturated fat and monounsaturated fat were all associated with lower mortality. Higher fat diets were also associated with a lower risk of stroke.


This is why people are science doubters.  The perceived advice on health has been all over the map.



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« Reply #1 on: Sep 11, 2017, 07:50AM »

This is why people are science doubters.  The perceived advice on health has been all over the map.
Agreed.  Health is a science that seems to be in it's infancy.  It deals with the extremely complex and collectively the research is appallingly expensive.  However, folks should not paint all science with the same brush.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 11, 2017, 07:55AM »

I get it why there are science-deniers and science-haters (not saying I am one).

New science almost always proves that old science is completely wrong. However, the more complex the science, the longer it takes to prove it wrong. Someday, and I probably will not live to see it, Einstein's General Theory of Relativity will probably be proven to be total gibberish.

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« Reply #3 on: Sep 11, 2017, 08:16AM »

Just when you thought it was safe to leave the cream out of your coffee...


Report in The lancet via NY Times:
New Study Favors Fat Over Carbs


This is why people are science doubters.  The perceived advice on health has been all over the map.




Dr Atkins came up with that idea years ago.
And sugar is inflammatory. Too much can cause all kinds of problems.  If you don't have the inflammation caused from excess sugar then fat in your diet is less of a problem. Less damage to your organs and blood vessels.
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 11, 2017, 08:39AM »

Dr Atkins came up with that idea years ago.
And sugar is inflammatory. Too much can cause all kinds of problems.  If you don't have the inflammation caused from excess sugar then fat in your diet is less of a problem. Less damage to your organs and blood vessels.

Dpes this mean that the fat from my McDonald's french fries neutralizes the sugar in my shake? Evil

(note: both are VERY rich in sodium; bad for hypertensives - but I like them; just don't eat them too often)
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 11, 2017, 08:52AM »

Dpes this mean that the fat from my McDonald's french fries neutralizes the sugar in my shake? Evil

(note: both are VERY rich in sodium; bad for hypertensives - but I like them; just don't eat them too often)
I wish. I love french fries. But they are also carb heavy.
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 11, 2017, 08:54AM »

I lowered my carb intake by replacing most of my rice, pasta, and bread consumption with legumes.  Beans, lentil, Indian dals, etc. 

I have lost 8 pounds.  'Nuff said.
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 11, 2017, 09:08AM »

Dr Atkins came up with that idea years ago.
And sugar is inflammatory. Too much can cause all kinds of problems.  If you don't have the inflammation caused from excess sugar then fat in your diet is less of a problem. Less damage to your organs and blood vessels.

Ketogenic diets (high fat, adequate protein, low carbs) have been around for years. At one time they were treatment for childhood epilepsy (until displaced by drug therapy). Weight loss was recognized as one of the side effects.

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« Reply #8 on: Sep 11, 2017, 09:15AM »

Report in The lancet via NY Times:
New Study Favors Fat Over Carbs

This is why people are science doubters.  The perceived advice on health has been all over the map.

Reporters don't do people any favors, generally. The sentence
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Diet information depended on self-reports, and the scientists controlled for factors including age, sex, smoking, physical activity and body mass index.
needs more explanation. We've known for a long time that high carb foods in many peoples' diets are highly processed and thus missing a lot of essential nutrients, and the article doesn't say if this particular study controlled for *all* factors that can be related to a carb or fat diet. Granted, this is hard, but the article really should state the limitations of the study as well as the findings. One big reason why "perceived advice on health has been all over the map" is due to sloppy science reporting.
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 11, 2017, 11:00AM »

Calories > Macronutrients > Micronutrients > Meal Timing > Supplements

In the US especially, the vast majority of people would thrive on whatever diet composition will allow them to control their intake.  After that, indeed carbs should be regulated.  Most Americans get way too many, relative to protein and fat.

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