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« on: Sep 24, 2017, 05:03PM »

An eposode of Reveal on NPR showed that there are right wing groups that specifically demonstrate to incite AntiFa groups to make them look bad.  So those who say it's only the Left that are bad may have some more thinking to do.

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https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/street-fight-a-new-wave-of-political-violence/
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 24, 2017, 10:00PM »

Even though hating nazis is the standard good thing to do some people can be going about it the wrong way.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 24, 2017, 10:04PM »

The issue brought up in the broadcast is that the Right Wingers (not necessarily Nazis, but usually White Supremacists) demonstrate in a provocative manner hoping to get the AntiFa to attack first so they can claim victimhood.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 24, 2017, 10:27PM »

What I mean is that there are some people who are AntiFa who will gladly attack without understanding that’s what they want.
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 25, 2017, 03:23AM »

It’s Nazi brown shirts trolling and fighting Marxist black shirts. Both sides want to control my life and restrict my rights, and I have no use for either.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 25, 2017, 05:25AM »

It’s Nazi brown shirts trolling and fighting Marxist black shirts. Both sides want to control my life and restrict my rights, and I have no use for either.

Antifa aren't usually Marxists, they are typically anarchists.
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 28, 2017, 03:07PM »

Antifa aren't usually Marxists, they are typically anarchists.

Correct; they are, by their own definition, anarchocommunists. They are not "liberal", and in fact use the term as an insult. To them "liberals" are essentially unwitting Nazi collaborators.

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So those who say it's only the Left that are bad may have some more thinking to do.

Anyone who said this needed to think it through before this piece was published.

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The issue brought up in the broadcast is that the Right Wingers (not necessarily Nazis, but usually White Supremacists) demonstrate in a provocative manner hoping to get the AntiFa to attack first so they can claim victimhood.

Antifa attacks first as a matter of policy. They serve to increase publicity for fringe groups on every side. Antifa uses the notoriety to gather support. How's Eric Clanton doing? I bet he still thinks he's one of the "good" guys too...
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 28, 2017, 04:35PM »

Eric Clapton? I would have thought he was more profa.


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« Reply #8 on: Oct 28, 2017, 09:45PM »

I've always been doubtful that "Antifa" is as huge a thing as claimed.

Maybe if you count everyone who played Castle Wolfenstein.

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« Reply #9 on: Oct 28, 2017, 09:58PM »

Eric Clapton? I would have thought he was more profa.


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« Reply #10 on: Oct 28, 2017, 10:03PM »

I've always been doubtful that "Antifa" is as huge a thing as claimed.

Maybe if you count everyone who played Castle Wolfenstein.

How big does a criminal organization need to be? They're, literally, self-proclaimed dangerous extremists. The fact that they've been defended and even promoted by public officials should concern us all.
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 29, 2017, 07:47AM »

How big does a criminal organization need to be? They're, literally, self-proclaimed dangerous extremists. The fact that they've been defended and even promoted by public officials should concern us all.

Problem is, "antifa" is not really an organization (any more than say, "fascists" are an organization). It's really more a movement. And while there are organized groups that are specifically antifascist groups, most antifa militants are anarchists or anarchocommunists who are either members of groups that discuss many issues, of which antifascism just happens to be one, or individual militants who do not identify or belong to any organized group. Extreme right militants tend to search for a feeling of community and belonging, and they like militaristic, hierarchized, disciplined, organized groups (ironically, usually to promote extreme individualism and individual rights). Extreme left militants are the exact opposite - while they revolve in militant and like-minded circles, they are usually not into organized/formalized groups.

The media and many people have a hard time understanding that dynamic in the far-left movements, which often leads to eye-rolling media reports saying that "the demonstration attracted a large contingent of members of the Black Bloc", like if the Black Bloc was an organization. Another example might be the Black Lives Matter movement, which a lot of people seem to think is an organized group.
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 29, 2017, 08:07AM »

How big does a criminal organization need to be?

If it's going to be pointed to, with pearls clutched, as the "real" problem, the "real" instigator, the true threat to our civilization, decent society and all we hold dear then it damn well better be bigger and more real than the one you're using it to distract us from.

Imagine a doctor saying, "I'm can't set your broken leg until you get an eye exam because I think your vision might be the reason you tripped."



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Probably more of a bumper sticker than an organization.
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 04, 2017, 12:32PM »

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